---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/04/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:32 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (VGs) (fox5flyer) 2. 05:07 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (Heinz Lang) 3. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/02/09 (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 4. 07:36 AM - Rotax Price Increase (jdmcbean) 5. 08:26 AM - Re: battery capacity (Lowell Fitt) 6. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Marco Menezes) 7. 09:40 AM - Parker brakes (icaza francisco) 8. 10:15 AM - Re: battery capacity (Guy Buchanan) 9. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (VGs) (Pete Christensen) 10. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (VGs) (Pete Christensen) 11. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly) 12. 03:27 PM - Re: battery capacity (Clint Bazzill) 13. 03:27 PM - Re: Parker brakes (Paul Franz - Merlin GT) 14. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Ron Liebmann) 15. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Lynn Matteson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:19 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 (VGs) Thanks, Pat. The only thing that comes to mind with that arrangement is that my stab is the symmetrical airfoil shape, not flat like the 1/2/3. I wonder if they would still be placed the same, but that is probably something for the manufacturer to answer. Good luck with your inspection. Being it's the FAA it should be a piece of cake. They're generally just interested in the paperwork. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) Deke, The supplier of my VG's recommended 1" infront of rear edge of horiz stab and parallel to the hingeline or rear edge of horiz stab. My horiz stab wasn't mounted yet so I didn't have to lay on my back. FAA is coming tomorrow for airworthiness certificate. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, fox5flyer wrote: Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place them? Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow the leading edge line? Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) ----- Original Message ----- From: skyflyte@comcast.net To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator. It worked very well! Mike Model II - 582 - #490 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Christensen" To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can vg's be to make? Anybody done that? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Reilly To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended to me and I was very happy with price and the product. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rockford, IL On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter wrote: I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it did help but I may consider the vortex generators. Thanks -------- Ken Richter Osceola,Wi model 3 speedster 582/GSC prop/Grove gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275873#275873 List Fund Raiser. 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Heinz KF 4-1200, R582LC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:11 AM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/02/09 There is a guy in Pennsylvania that makes fiberglass gear for the Himax (Is on aircraft) which is a small wood single seater. When I had my Himax=2C I bought the fiberglass gear from him. It worked really good. I've talked to him about making a larger gear for Avids and Kitfoxes=2C but he wasn't s ure there was enough of a market for him to do the reasearch. He had a Him ax when he built his prototype gear=2C so testing was easy for him. Jim Ch uk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn > From: egraylaw@swbell.net > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/02/09 > Date: Thu=2C 3 Dec 2009 22:33:58 -0600 > > > Michel=2C you are right about the drooped wingtips. Although I am far too > skilled to groundloop a Kitfox=2C I can tell you first hand that the droo ped > tip will drag on the grass and only grind off about one fourth inch of > fiberglass. A little sandpaper=2C daub of paint and it is good as new. Us > poor folk that can't afford Grove gear take comfort in that feature. > PS Has anyone ever made a grove type gear of laid-up fiberglass or lamina ted > spruce? > > Ed Gray Dallas KII 582 tube gear > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kitfox-List > Digest Server > Sent: Thursday=2C December 03=2C 2009 2:00 AM > To: Kitfox-List Digest List > Subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 12/02/09 > > * > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > > Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html& Chapter > 09-12-02&Archive=Kitfox > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&C hapter > 2009-12-02&Archive=Kitfox > > > ======================== ======================= > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== ======================= > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kitfox-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 12/02/09: 13 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 12:15 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (Michel Verheughe) > 2. 05:13 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (kenjrichter) > 3. 07:19 AM - Re: kitfox 3 (Michel Verheughe) > 4. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Lowell Fitt) > 5. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Marco Menezes) > 6. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Pete Christensen) > 7. 12:29 PM - Re: kitfox 3 (kenjrichter) > 8. 01:34 PM - Re: Dual vernier throttle supplier? (mic thiessen) > 9. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Lynn Matteson) > 10. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly) > 11. 03:37 PM - Re: kitfox 3 (kenjrichter) > 12. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: kitfox 3 (Patrick Reilly) > 13. 07:27 PM - Re: Dual vernier throttle supplier? (Av8r3400) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:15:49 AM PST US > From: Michel Verheughe > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > > > From: kenjrichter [kenrichter@centurytel.net] > > as far as I can tell its not much faster maybe a few mph but I did noti ce > some > > > pleasant improvements roll response is faster which I like and it seems > like > turns > > need less rudder input now and also climb seems about the same 1400fpm but > it > > seems like the speed during the climb is faster overall it seems like t he > handling > > is better or atleast I like it better=2C > > Thank you for this report=2C Ken. Speed=2C climb=2C roll and less adverse yaw=2C is > indeed > what we would expect=2C woudn't we? My model 3 is very "classic" with the > orignal > wings but with a new Jabiru engine. Compared to what are now the new > European > ultralight class aircraft (limited to 450 kg MTOW) my Kitfox is one of th e > slowest birds but then=2C for me it is not about the destination but the > journey. > I don't mind staying longer in the air! :-) > > Cheers=2C > Michel Verheughe > Norway > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > 

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> > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:56:59 AM PST US > From: "Lowell Fitt" > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > > > To philosophize here a bit. I agree that speed is good=2C when you want t o > get somewhere fast. I wonder sometimes=2C however=2C when we enjoy flying as > much as we do=2C why do we seem to want to get back on the ground so soon .. > > When flying with our group - sometimes from four airplanes to occasionall y > as many as ten - we always flew at the speed of the slowest airplane. It > was never a problem as the joy of the flight was seeing each other out th e > windows and sharing the combined view - the navy research submarines on t he > lake=2C the antelope near the pond or the junk collecters in the desert a nd of > > course the goofy chat as we digested all that we could see. We occasional ly > > flew with folks that always flew at one speed and they would then sit on the > > ground waiting for the rest of us to arrive. I always wondered about that . > For us at least=2C the joy was in the flight=2C not merely sharing a tabl e at a > destination. > > Then there was the time that the RV4 followed us to a fly-in he couldn't > locate. He flew circles above us as we followed the course of a winding > river at 100 ft. It obviously doesn't always work. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kenjrichter" > Sent: Wednesday=2C December 02=2C 2009 5:10 AM > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > > > > > > > > Michel=2C I too rarely ever really need speed because all I ever do is fly > > for fun so why be in a hurry right=2C but sometimes a group of guys fro m our > > > airport decides to go on a little journey for lunch and my plane has be en > > a tad slow so that makes it hard to keep up and even now if I only gain ed > > a few mph it probably wont make much difference but the other improveme nts > > > are great so I am glad I clipped the wings also makes it easier to get in > > > the hangar I hope I can still get some extra speed from the leading edg e > > pvc I will report on that too. > > > > -------- > > Ken Richter > > Osceola=2CWi > > model 3 speedster > > 582/GSC prop/Grove gear > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275704#275704 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:40:09 AM PST US > From: Marco Menezes > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > > That makes 3 of us. Osceola-County=2C Michigan here. > - > Marco Menezes N99KX > Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch > - > do not archive > > > --- On Tue=2C 12/1/09=2C Lyle Persels wrote: > > > From: Lyle Persels > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > > > > Ken=2C > I have a model IV with a 912ULS=2C but I flew off the original 40 hours o n a > friend's Model IV Speedster. I found the roll response considerably bette r > with the shorter wings=2C and it didn't float as much on landing flare. I lik > ed it just fine. > > I'm in Osceola=2C too--Osceola=2C Iowa. > > Lyle Persels > Osceola=2C IA > KF-IV 1200 912ULS > 450 Hrs > > > On 12 1=2C 09=2C at 5:27 PM=2C kenjrichter wrote: > > et> > > > > I'm not sure how many list members have model 3's and are interested in t > his info but I flew my model 3 with the shortened wings today for the fir st > time and heres what I noticed---it was a little windy today so I may > need to wait for another day with no wind to see the speed difference but > as far as I can tell its not much faster maybe a few mph but I did notice s > ome pleasant improvements roll response is faster which I like and it see ms > like turns need less rudder input now and also climb seems about the same > 1400fpm but it seems like the speed during the climb is faster- overall i > t seems like the handling is better or atleast I like it better=2C- next is > the pvc leading edge I hope to get this done this week. > > > > Ken Richter > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275653#275653 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > le=2C List Admin. > > > =0A=0A=0A > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:57:43 AM PST US > From: "Pete Christensen" > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > > > Lowel=2C > > You brought up another thought. I once flew my Kitfox III on a several ho ur > > cross country with a friend who was flying his 172. He was amazed at how > good his gph was throttled back to stay with me. > > Pete > > > -- Original Message ----- > From: "Lowell Fitt" > Sent: Wednesday=2C December 02=2C 2009 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > > > > > > To philosophize here a bit. I agree that speed is good=2C when you want to > > get somewhere fast. I wonder sometimes=2C however=2C when we enjoy flyi ng as > > much as we do=2C why do we seem to want to get back on the ground so so on. > > > > When flying with our group - sometimes from four airplanes to occasiona lly > > > as many as ten - we always flew at the speed of the slowest airplane. I t > > was never a problem as the joy of the flight was seeing each other out the > > > windows and sharing the combined view - the navy research submarines on > > the lake=2C the antelope near the pond or the junk collecters in the de sert > > and of course the goofy chat as we digested all that we could see. We > > occasionally flew with folks that always flew at one speed and they wou ld > > then sit on the ground waiting for the rest of us to arrive. I always > > wondered about that. For us at least=2C the joy was in the flight=2C no t > > merely sharing a table at a destination. > > > > Then there was the time that the RV4 followed us to a fly-in he couldn' t > > locate. He flew circles above us as we followed the course of a winding > > river at 100 ft. It obviously doesn't always work. > > > > Lowell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "kenjrichter" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday=2C December 02=2C 2009 5:10 AM > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > > > > > >> > >> > >> Michel=2C I too rarely ever really need speed because all I ever do is fly > >> for fun so why be in a hurry right=2C but sometimes a group of guys fr om > >> our airport decides to go on a little journey for lunch and my plane h as > >> been a tad slow so that makes it hard to keep up and even now if I onl y > >> gained a few mph it probably wont make much difference but the other > >> improvements are great so I am glad I clipped the wings also makes it > >> easier to get in the hangar I hope I can still get some extra speed fr om > > >> the leading edge pvc I will report on that too. > >> > >> -------- > >> Ken Richter > >> Osceola=2CWi > >> model 3 speedster > >> 582/GSC prop/Grove gear > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275704#275704 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:29:15 PM PST US > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > From: "kenjrichter" > > > Wow=2C I didn't realize Osceola was such a popular name I guess Chief Osc eola > was > a popular Indian=2C > I wanted to comment on Michel's post about not wanting to lose the > drooping > wingtips I didn't lose mine when I cut the wings shorter I just remounted > them > on the next rib it was pretty simple really I just used 1"x1/16 alum flat > and > screwed and glued it to the rib flange and then the tips attach to that j ust > like it was before and I'm not really sure it would save you in a ground > loop > anyway my plane has damage from what looks to have been a ground loop. > it has a bend under the seat where the limit cables attach and the > left wing > has been rebuilt from about four feet in from the tip and that flapperon has > some wrinkles in it at about four feet in as well all this and the plane had > 8 hours on it when I got it must have been a rough 8 hrs. > I hear alot about ground loops with these planes but in my 60 hours > flying it > I have not even had a close call it seems very stable on the ground but > maybe > this is because of the grove gear. > > -------- > Ken Richter > Osceola=2CWi > model 3 speedster > 582/GSC prop/Grove gear > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275828#275828 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:34:13 PM PST US > From: mic thiessen > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Dual vernier throttle supplier? > > > Hi Carl > > > Give Bob Robertson a call > > > 1 888 418-4164 > > 1 250 832-8786 > > > He makes the best there are out of special flat wire cable that when it i s > pushed it actually wants to straighten out instead of bend. > > > mic > > > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Dual vernier throttle supplier? > > From: cschmokel@gmail.com > > Date: Tue=2C 1 Dec 2009 22:47:58 -0800 > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > > > Hey guys=2C > > > > I contacted Kitfox for a dual vernier throttle to hook up to my Rotax 9 12 > ULS. The friction lock is driving me nuts .. They said their supplier rec en > tly discontinued manufacturing the dual vernier thanks to some NTSB notic e. > So .. does anybody know where to get a dual vernier or how to make one?? T > hanks! > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275690#275690 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Eligible CDN College & University students can upgrade to Windows 7 befor e > Jan 3 for only $39.99. Upgrade now! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691819 > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:05:16 PM PST US > From: Lynn Matteson > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > > > I'd have to say almost uncertainly it was because of the Grove > gear....a wider stance=2C and a bit lower too=2C if I'm not mistaken. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster=2C taildragger > Jabiru 2200=2C #2062=2C 818.9 hrs > Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > Rotec TBI-40 injection > Status: flying (and learning) > do not archive > > > On Dec 2=2C 2009=2C at 3:26 PM=2C kenjrichter wrote: > > > > > > > I hear alot about ground loops with these planes but in my 60 > > hours flying it I have not even had a close call it seems very > > stable on the ground but maybe this is because of the grove gear. > > > > -------- > > Ken Richter > > Osceola=2CWi > > model 3 speedster > > 582/GSC prop/Grove gear > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275828#275828 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:00:56 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > From: Patrick Reilly > > Ken=2C If you are marginal on elevator authority=2C did you consider gap seals > or vortex generators under the horiz stabilizer? > > Pat Reilly > Mod 3 582 Rebuild > Rockford=2C IL > > On Tue=2C Dec 1=2C 2009 at 8:08 PM=2C kenjrichter > wrote: > > > kenrichter@centurytel.net> > > > > Lyle=2C I forgot to mention that the landings were better I used to run out > > of elevator authority before the plane was done flying making it hard t o > > land but now thats better as well. > > > > Ken Richter > > model 3 speedster > > 582/GSC prop/Grove gear > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275669#275669 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:37:46 PM PST US > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > From: "kenjrichter" > > > I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it did > help > but I may consider the vortex generators. > > Thanks > > -------- > Ken Richter > Osceola=2CWi > model 3 speedster > 582/GSC prop/Grove gear > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275873#275873 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:15:24 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > From: Patrick Reilly > > Ken=2C If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommen ded > to me and I was very happy with price and the product. > > Pat Reilly > Mod 3 582 > Rockford=2C IL > > On Wed=2C Dec 2=2C 2009 at 5:34 PM=2C kenjrichter > wrote: > > > kenrichter@centurytel.net> > > > > I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and i t > > did help but I may consider the vortex generators. > > > > Thanks > > > > -------- > > Ken Richter > > Osceola=2CWi > > model 3 speedster > > 582/GSC prop/Grove gear > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275873#275873 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:27:58 PM PST US > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Dual vernier throttle supplier? > From: "Av8r3400" > > > McFarlane > (http://www.mcfarlane-aviation.com/Details.aspx?ID=79240606&Article 0) has > the dual cables for a 900 series Rotax. They have been advertising in EAA > magazines like Sport Aviation. > > -------- > Thanks=2C > Av8r3400 > > Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL &=3B IVO > Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL &=3B Warp > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275902#275902 > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free=2Cexclusive gift. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?o cid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:58 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax Price Increase Good Morning, Heads up. We have recently been informed that the US distributor of Rotax engines is having a 2010 price increase of 1.8% and whatever adjustments up or down for the Dollar vs Euro effective January 1st 2010. However, due to their funding requirements and holiday schedule, funds will be required to us by December 22nd to meet their deadline. So if you are considering a Rotax engine, now is a good time to get your order placed. John McBean www.kitfoxaircraft.com 208.337.5111 "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:45 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: battery capacity Clem, I bought the PC680 recommended by a friend. You won't be sorry with an Odyssey. They will hold a charge up to two years and the one I bought was fully charged out of the box. It won't fit in the factory box, but then it doesn't require a box. I made a tray out of aluminum with a velcro strap. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "clemwehner" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: battery capacity > > How do I determine the minimum battery capacity required for a KF model IV > with a 912 and minimal avionics? > > I'm convinced the RG (starved electrolyte) battery is the right type (like > the Odyssey), but what size is the right size? We're looking to save > weight but don't want to do anything stupid. > > thanks, > Clem Wehner > KF IV-912 > Oklahoma > > -------- > Clem > Oklahoma > Kitfox IV-912, under construction since 1991 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276122#276122 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:06 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what effect? - Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch --- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave wrote: From: dave Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line- parallel to the hinges.- They did little for my IV .- I have found they help alot o n super cubs.- The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model I V so I would think they would see more benefit. I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work.- I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it . VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet.---I would like to al ter some of the spacing and placement- but it flys so damn well- I just don't find it high on the priorities. [quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you- pl ace them?- Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you- follow the leading edge line? Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP- 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert,- in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning- economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) - >- - --- -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate- the internet- chatter from the trut h- http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276011#276011 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:52 AM PST US From: icaza francisco Subject: Kitfox-List: Parker brakes Dear friends, - I have problems with-the Parker brakes-in my Classic IV. I=B4ve purged them-from de bottom end many times, and I haven=B4t seen any air bubbles in-lines, or any leaks. The system works-fine for-the next landing, b ut after a week they get songy and I have to apply pressure several times t o make them work. - I=B4m lost. Any ideas or suggestions? - Thanks in advance, - - Francisco Icaza (Classic IV)=0A=0A=0A Encuentra las mejores recetas en Yahoo! Cocina. =0Ahttp://mx.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:44 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: battery capacity At 09:28 PM 12/3/2009, you wrote: >How do I determine the minimum battery capacity required for a KF >model IV with a 912 and minimal avionics? I've been doing fine with a 20ah battery. I use the Powersonic because I'm cheap, but I think the Odyssey has more cranking power. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:53 AM PST US From: "Pete Christensen" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 (VGs) Good site for VG info. http://www.stolspeed.com/installing-vortex-generators Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: fox5flyer To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 (VGs) Thanks, Pat. The only thing that comes to mind with that arrangement is that my stab is the symmetrical airfoil shape, not flat like the 1/2/3. I wonder if they would still be placed the same, but that is probably something for the manufacturer to answer. Good luck with your inspection. Being it's the FAA it should be a piece of cake. They're generally just interested in the paperwork. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) Deke, The supplier of my VG's recommended 1" infront of rear edge of horiz stab and parallel to the hingeline or rear edge of horiz stab. My horiz stab wasn't mounted yet so I didn't have to lay on my back. FAA is coming tomorrow for airworthiness certificate. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, fox5flyer wrote: Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place them? Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow the leading edge line? Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) ----- Original Message ----- From: skyflyte@comcast.net To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator. It worked very well! Mike Model II - 582 - #490 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Christensen" To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can vg's be to make? Anybody done that? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Reilly To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended to me and I was very happy with price and the product. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rockford, IL On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter wrote: I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it did help but I may consider the vortex generators. Thanks -------- Ken Richter Osceola,Wi model 3 speedster 582/GSC prop/Grove gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275873#275873 List Fund Raiser. 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One piece will do 48 +/- VG's and it's already bent into a 90. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Christensen To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 (VGs) Good site for VG info. http://www.stolspeed.com/installing-vortex-generators Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: fox5flyer To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 (VGs) Thanks, Pat. The only thing that comes to mind with that arrangement is that my stab is the symmetrical airfoil shape, not flat like the 1/2/3. I wonder if they would still be placed the same, but that is probably something for the manufacturer to answer. Good luck with your inspection. Being it's the FAA it should be a piece of cake. They're generally just interested in the paperwork. Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) Deke, The supplier of my VG's recommended 1" infront of rear edge of horiz stab and parallel to the hingeline or rear edge of horiz stab. My horiz stab wasn't mounted yet so I didn't have to lay on my back. FAA is coming tomorrow for airworthiness certificate. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, fox5flyer wrote: Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place them? Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow the leading edge line? Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) ----- Original Message ----- From: skyflyte@comcast.net To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 I made mine out of 0.016" lexan and used them on the underside of the horizontal stabilizer to increase the effectiveness of the elevator. It worked very well! Mike Model II - 582 - #490 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Christensen" To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 10:10:18 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 Being a cheap sort of guy, how hard can vg's be to make? Anybody done that? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Reilly To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 Ken, If you decide on VG's let me know. The ones I bought were recommended to me and I was very happy with price and the product. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rockford, IL On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 5:34 PM, kenjrichter wrote: I do have the elevator gap seal I put that on before the wing mod and it did help but I may consider the vortex generators. Thanks -------- Ken Richter Osceola,Wi model 3 speedster 582/GSC prop/Grove gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275873#275873 List Fund Raiser. 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Hey guys, got my airworthy cert. today. The inspector noticed my flaperons aren't rigged properly. Right one doesn't go up as far as left one. I measured it there is a 10 degree difference. I'll have to adjust the rigging. I have to admit I haden't measured it. I put the bell crank level and hooked them up. I must have changed something when I replaced the bent push rod under the seat. Pat Reilly mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford, IL On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has anyone > ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what effect? > > Marco Menezes N99KX > Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch > > --- On *Thu, 12/3/09, dave * wrote: > > > From: dave > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM > > > > > I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line parallel to > the hinges. They did little for my IV . I have found they help alot on > super cubs. The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model IV so > I would think they would see more benefit. > > I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work. I > don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My > Model IV is marginal at doing it . > > VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for > over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet. I would like to alter > some of the spacing and placement but it flys so damn well I just don't > find it high on the priorities. > > > [quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place > them? Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow > the leading edge line? > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) > > > > --- > > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > http://www.cfisher.com/ > Awesome *New Forum * > http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ > Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276011#276011 > > > nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifnbsp;--> > http:======================= > > > > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:42 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: battery capacity I am using a motor cycle battery. GTX14-BS. Easy to get anywhere=2C put the acid in when you buy it. You can buy them anywhere and they are not ex pensive. I change it out at annual time=2C every other year. Haven't had one go ba d. Just about 1500 hours now on 912ULS. Clint and I have a lot of avonics. Model IV-1200 > From: lcfitt@sbcglobal.net > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: battery capacity > Date: Fri=2C 4 Dec 2009 08:12:36 -0800 > > > Clem=2C > > I bought the PC680 recommended by a friend. You won't be sorry with an > Odyssey. They will hold a charge up to two years and the one I bought was > fully charged out of the box. It won't fit in the factory box=2C but then it > doesn't require a box. I made a tray out of aluminum with a velcro strap. > > Lowell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clemwehner" > To: > Sent: Thursday=2C December 03=2C 2009 9:28 PM > Subject: Kitfox-List: battery capacity > > et> > > > > How do I determine the minimum battery capacity required for a KF model IV > > with a 912 and minimal avionics? > > > > I'm convinced the RG (starved electrolyte) battery is the right type (l ike > > the Odyssey)=2C but what size is the right size? We're looking to save > > weight but don't want to do anything stupid. > > > > thanks=2C > > Clem Wehner > > KF IV-912 > > Oklahoma > > > > -------- > > Clem > > Oklahoma > > Kitfox IV-912=2C under construction since 1991 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276122#276122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Parker brakes From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" On Fri, December 4, 2009 9:35 am, icaza francisco wrote: > I have problems withthe Parker brakesin my Classic IV. Ive purged themfrom de > bottom end many times, and I havent seen any air bubbles inlines, or any leaks. The > system worksfine forthe next landing, but after a week they get songy and I have to > apply pressure several times to make them work. > > Im lost. Any ideas or suggestions? My best guess is the leak is at the master cylinder from you symptoms. Is the fluid reservoir higher than the piston? Air can get in during the backstroke if the fluid inlet is not flooded. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA 425.241.1618 Cell In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -- Voltaire (1764) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:28 PM PST US From: "Ron Liebmann" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 I put the Speedster larger elevator on my Model 2 back in 1992 with great results. ron N55KF From: Marco Menezes Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what effect? Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch --- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave wrote: From: dave Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line parallel to the hinges. They did little for my IV . I have found they help alot on super cubs. The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more benefit. I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work. I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it . VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet. I would like to alter some of the spacing and placement but it flys so damn well I just don't find it high on the priorities. [quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you place them? Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you follow the leading edge line? Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) > --- -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276011#276011 nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifnbsp;--> http:======================= ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:59 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 One of my flaperons goes further than the other, and I can guarantee you that mine are rigged according to the book....Model IV. I can't see how they could possibly move the same when the bellcrank is set to 26 on one side and 32 on the other (as I recall the numbers). If you set the bellcrank "level", that might be the problem, because as I recall it, aren't the flap control arms set to different angles? Maybe the Model 3 is different.... Congrats on the AC, Pat. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 818.9 hrs Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote: > Marco, Have you got gap seals on that elevator? Hey guys, got my > airworthy cert. today. The inspector noticed my flaperons aren't > rigged properly. Right one doesn't go up as far as left one. I > measured it there is a 10 degree difference. I'll have to adjust > the rigging. I have to admit I haden't measured it. I put the bell > crank level and hooked them up. I must have changed something when > I replaced the bent push rod under the seat. > > Pat Reilly > mod 3 582 Rebuild > Rockford, IL > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Marco Menezes > wrote: > Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has > anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what > effect? > > Marco Menezes N99KX > Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch > > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave wrote: > > From: dave > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM > > > I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line > parallel to the hinges. They did little for my IV . I have found > they help alot on super cubs. The model 2 has less elevator > effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more > benefit. > > I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they > work. I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel > down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it . > > VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV > Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet. I > would like to alter some of the spacing and placement but it flys > so damn well I just don't find it high on the priorities. > > > [quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did > you place them? Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line > or did you follow the leading edge line? > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) > > > > --- > > > -------- > Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada > http://www.cfisher.com/ > Awesome *New Forum * > http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ > Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the > truth > http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276011#276011 > > > nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifnbsp;--> > http:======================= > > > "_blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com/" > target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? > Kitfox-List ttp://forums.matronics.com > > =========================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.