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1. 02:59 AM - Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) (Dave G)
2. 08:04 AM - Need 503 oil injection intake manifolds (Tom Jones)
3. 08:24 AM - Re: Need 503 oil injection intake manifolds (Benny Svien)
4. 08:43 AM - Model IV skis required (Brian Morissette)
5. 11:19 AM - Re: Model IV skis required (Benny Svien)
6. 11:54 AM - Re: Model IV skis required (dave)
7. 12:00 PM - Re: Model IV skis required (akflyer)
8. 02:21 PM - Re: Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) (dave)
9. 02:30 PM - Re: Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) (Roger Lee)
10. 02:35 PM - Re: Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) (dave)
11. 02:56 PM - Re: Washed gas and Leaded gas (Noel Loveys)
12. 02:56 PM - Re: Washed gas and Leaded gas (Noel Loveys)
13. 03:06 PM - Re: Washed gas and Leaded gas (Noel Loveys)
14. 04:28 PM - Re: Model IV skis required (Brian Morissette)
15. 05:28 PM - Re: Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) (WurlyBird)
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| Subject: | Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) |
I have read this many times (mostly here and Rotax list) and I'm not
sure this isn't one of those oft retold myths. I understand that lead
compound deposits are bad in the combustion chamber, exactly where
Decalin is working to counteract it but is there any documentented
photographic evidence of this "plating" occurring in the bottom of a two
stroke rotax and actually causing a problem, or a failure?
Rotax doesn't mention bottom end troubles from it that I can find and I
can imagine a couple of small benefits. Colour me skeptical on this one,
but I'd love to see evidence of it.
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From: Noel Loveys
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:43 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: EGTs are killing me
The Decalin scavenger requires one thing to work. heat. Ie the heat
given off in combustion. That is why it works very well at keeping the
top end and plugs very clean however it does nothing to keep the lower
end and main bearings free of plating. Their own web site, the last
time I was there, only mentioned the top end for that exact reason.
Noel
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Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:26 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: EGTs are killing me
At 03:01 PM 12/6/2009, you wrote:
What would worry me most is the possibility that lead is plating on
your
main roller bearings. If you get a serious build up of lead there it
could
cause a seizure... in flight! Additives the scavenge lead only work
when
the fuel is burned so they will not protect your lower end. They
should
however help keep your plugs from fouling.
I don't know if I'd worry too much about it. I've run nothing but
100LL through my 582 for 400 hours using Decalin scavenger and don't
seem to be suffering for it.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
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| Subject: | Need 503 oil injection intake manifolds |
I need a set of 503 intake manifolds with oil injection ports. I will buy or trade
a non oil injection set plus $$.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Need 503 oil injection intake manifolds |
Hi Tom
Can't help you . But I need a Tail wheel for a kitfox 4 =2CIf you know of a
ny. bsvienus@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Model IV skis required |
Hi
I am currently looking to purchase a set of skis for my Speedster which is
99.5% complete. Does anyone have a set they are willing to sell or know of a
pair somewhere that I can get my hands on.
thanks a bunch
Brian
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Need 503 oil injection intake manifolds
Hi Tom
Can't help you . But I need a Tail wheel for a kitfox 4 ,If you know of any.
bsvienus@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Model IV skis required |
I seen a set on e-bay
From: brianm@snolab.ca
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model IV skis required
Hi
I am currently looking to purchase a set of skis for my Speedster which is
99.5% complete. Does anyone have a set they are willing to sell or know of
a pair somewhere that I can get my hands on.
thanks a bunch
Brian
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Need 503 oil injection intake manifolds
Hi Tom
Can't help you . But I need a Tail wheel for a kitfox 4 =2CIf you know of a
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> I need a set of 503 intake manifolds with oil injection ports. I will buy
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV skis required |
I have several sets of fiberglass skis for sale .
450$ a pair all rigged.
I can take pics if you like.
New 4130 skis close to 1000 $ rigged & ready to go.
or 850$ and you make you own cables
Huge snows up north og here 150 miles -- calling for 3 to 4 feet by Sat AM
Here we got a slight covering.
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| Subject: | Re: Model IV skis required |
Dave,
What are the dimensions on the fiberglass ski's? Mine are 60X 12 and I would not
want anything less. Had them on my buddies Mk IV last week in 40" of new powder.
He had issues in places where I was going with my full lotus floats.
He made it in and out, but a few times we thought it was gonna be snow shoes and
packing the runway to get him up on top.
That being said, I would be interested in the fiberglass ski's is they are large
enough.
Post up some pics with dimensions if you don't mind!
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| Subject: | Re: Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) |
Simple solution is to use reg grade gas.
Our 582s and 912 ul do not need over 87 octane.
Some just wanna be one of the boys buying avgas at the airport ?
No idea But I do operate from my own strip and I have supply her already. In Summer
I buy at marinas and I have bought at airports before from the maintenance
guys that use reg gas for lawnmowers, vehicles etc. I have used AVgas a
few times but it is like 30 % or more expensive as well.
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| Subject: | Re: Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) |
You are way ahead of the game to get away from 100LL in a 2 stroke. Regular auto
gas is much better. The lead over time is a killer. Yes it works, but you'll
have more maint. issues later as you get more time on the engine. This question
is always ask in Rotax maint. schools and Rotax would rather see auto gas,
too.
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| Subject: | Re: Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) |
Thanks Roger.
Hey what is your thoughts on NKG from Rotax verus the auto parts store plugs?
I got 100 to 150 hours out of mine in 582s with oil injection
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| Subject: | Washed gas and Leaded gas |
On the other list I mentioned I had my outboard motror tank submerge several
times when I was a kid. Of course in those days there was lead in the gas
which would not wash out with a bit of water. You are quite rigt that you
will reduce the RON of your gas by removing the ethanol.
Noel
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Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Washed gas and Leaded gas
First and foremost, has anyone here have any FIRST HAND experience with
washing
ethanol out of fuel? I would like to hear about it.
You wash away the octane too, not good.
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Washed gas and Leaded gas |
Not washing ethanol out of the gas... We don't have ethanol here. But
several times when I was a kid I had my outboard motor tank submerge and had
to drain off the water. No problem.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:23 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Washed gas and Leaded gas
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So here is the new topic on my mind;
First and foremost, has anyone here have any FIRST HAND experience with
washing ethanol out of fuel? I would like to hear about it.
I have read here and on other sites about simply adding water and then
draining off the ethanol free fuel but it just sounds wrong to me.
I am planning on replacing my fuel tanks with E compatible ones but I am not
ready yet because I have not allocated the cash first of all but also I am
still concerned about the down time so I am going to wait until deeper into
winter when I will not be too upset about not flying for a few weeks. When
I first started to run into the issue with no ethanol free fuel in my area I
was told that the plug fouling was the only major issue with 100LL but that
is not sounding like the case right now. I am probably 40 hours into
running straight 100LL and I am wondering if I am putting my engine (and
butt) at risk. So I really need to figure out a solution and preferably by
Saturday.
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| Subject: | Washed gas and Leaded gas |
Ethanol is supposed to have a RON of 116, normal (whatever that is) gas
87 so washed gas mixed 50/50 with 100LL would have a RON of 93.5 with
half the lead of 100LL. Because the 582 doesn=99t require high
octane fuel I=99d use it in fact I think I=99d go to 4:1
washed:100LL and reduce the lead even further.
Noel
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Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Washed gas and Leaded gas
Wash out ethanol out? Yes Dick, I took a big glass jug. I put exactly 5
gal. in. I poured a measured 1qt. of water. Mixed it up a bit. The next
day I drained out just under 2 ltr.'s of cloudy liquid. It wasn't gas. I
set this on a shelf for a few days. As I walked around the shop, I kept
smelling White Lightning (pure grain alcohol). \
Didn't put the stripped gas in my plane-I dumped it into my truck.
Because I don't know what else I stripped out, I will not fly with it.
To lower the ethanol I cut the mogas with no more than 1/2 100LL and add
seafoam. -'Lion 8'- (Tom)
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Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:39:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Washed gas and Leaded gas
First and foremost, has anyone here have any FIRST HAND experience with
washing
ethanol out of fuel? I would like to hear about it.
You wash away the octane too, not good.
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Model IV skis required |
Thanks Benny
I'll go have a look
Brian
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Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Model IV skis required
I seen a set on e-bay
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From: brianm@snolab.ca
Subject: Kitfox-List: Model IV skis required
Hi
I am currently looking to purchase a set of skis for my Speedster which is
99.5% complete. Does anyone have a set they are willing to sell or know of a
pair somewhere that I can get my hands on.
thanks a bunch
Brian
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Sent: December 10, 2009 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Need 503 oil injection intake manifolds
Hi Tom
Can't help you . But I need a Tail wheel for a kitfox 4 ,If you know of any.
bsvienus@hotmail.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Need 503 oil injection intake manifolds
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> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:01:20 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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> I need a set of 503 intake manifolds with oil injection ports. I will buy
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> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Lead plating (was EGTs are killing me) |
dave wrote:
> Thanks Roger.
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> Hey what is your thoughts on NKG from Rotax verus the auto parts store plugs?
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> I got 100 to 150 hours out of mine in 582s with oil injection
I get NGKs from the auto parts tore.
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