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1. 05:44 AM - Re: Sensenich propeller (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: Sensenich propeller (JC Propeller Design)
3. 09:54 AM - KF IV for sale on eBay (Dorsal)
4. 02:39 PM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (dave)
5. 03:17 PM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (skyflyte@comcast.net)
6. 03:37 PM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (Robert Rivard)
7. 03:52 PM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (Tom Jones)
8. 04:15 PM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (Aluminum Flyer)
9. 05:32 PM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (fox5flyer)
10. 07:55 PM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
11. 08:57 PM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (dave)
12. 10:45 PM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (Ted Palamarek)
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich propeller |
John and Deke ,
Thanks for your replies ! I too think it is probably wishful thinking that
you would get much of an improvement in airspeed by going to the Sensenich.
It was not stated wether the Sensenich was a two blade or three. I asumed
it was a two blade as it is the only one I have seen. In any case ,John could
you post the results on the Whirlwind and Sensenich when you have them? I
am not about to get rid of my Warp unless it is for a reasonable gain in
performance and smoothness.As mentioned,the Warp has been a fine prop.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Rotax 912UL
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Sensenich propeller |
There was an test on different propeller on a Australian site, VG site?
the differences of all the tested propellers was an knot or two.
Say the difference is 16 miles, and the efficiency is 79% at 100, you
need go from say 80 to 125 HP, or efficiency go from 79% to 123%
Sensenich make good propellers but not with a efficiency of 123%
Jan
www.jcpropellerdesign.com
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From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sensenich propeller
John and Deke ,
Thanks for your replies ! I too think it is probably wishful thinking
that you would get much of an improvement in airspeed by going to the
Sensenich. It was not stated wether the Sensenich was a two blade or
three. I asumed it was a two blade as it is the only one I have seen. In
any case ,John could you post the results on the Whirlwind and Sensenich
when you have them? I am not about to get rid of my Warp unless it is
for a reasonable gain in performance and smoothness.As mentioned,the
Warp has been a fine prop.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4-1200
Rotax 912UL
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | KF IV for sale on eBay |
Got my kit from a post like this on this group, just trying to return the favor.
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
Rotax 583 an old sled engine. Good power with a decent pipe but not with Skystar
exhaust. Power band is over 6000 rpm to about 8000 or so ...... will scream.
but not a good cruiser.
582 a more reliable engine as well.
my ten cents worth.
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
There is a major problem with this kind of purchase.=C2- Since the projec
t is 90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of buil
ding 51% for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate.=C2- You
would probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the
entire plane, probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but yo
u are not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
=C2-=C2- Mike
=C2-=C2- N490=C2- 582
=C2-=C2- do not archive
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From: "Dorsal" <dorsal61@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:51:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
Got my kit from a post like this on this group, just trying to return the f
avor.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kitfox-Model-4_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a
0340e49bQQitemZ180443210907QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
This just came up on the EAA web site..As long as you can prove it was amat
eur built you can get it registered .But you most likely would not be able
to get a repair mans certificate to do the annual.
BOB
--- On Mon, 12/14/09, skyflyte@comcast.net <skyflyte@comcast.net> wrote:
From: skyflyte@comcast.net <skyflyte@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
#yiv64196706 p {margin:0;}
There is a major problem with this kind of purchase.- Since the project i
s 90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of buildin
g 51% for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate.- You would
probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire
plane, probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but you are
not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
-- Mike
-- N490- 582
-- do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorsal" <dorsal61@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:51:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
Got my kit from a post like this on this group, just trying to return the f
avor.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kitfox-Model-4_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a
0340e49bQQitemZ180443210907QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
skyflyte(at)comcast.net wrote:
> There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the project is 90%
complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of building 51% for
an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate. You would probably have
to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire plane, probably
not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but you are not buying a plane
with only 10% of work to get it flying.
> Mike
> N490 582
> do not archive
>
> ---
Actually the requirement to register as "Experimental amateur built" is that 51%
of the sircraft has been built by amateurs. An amateur is anyone...even a professional
aircraft builder...that does not take pay to do the work. They have
done the work for their own education and recreation only.
The buyer of a partially completed kit just needs to be sure and get documentation
from the previous owner that the work done so far was by amateurs.
The final owner/builder will need to do some care documentation and display knowledge
of the finished aircraft to qualify for the repairman's certificate.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it, register it, fly it, and do all
the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the money and it have a 912 in it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Robert Rivard <bw12345@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> This just came up on the EAA.
web site..As long as you can prove it was amateur built you can get it
> registered .But you most likely would not be able to get a repair mans
> certificate to do the annual.
>
> BOB
>
> --- On *Mon, 12/14/09, skyflyte@comcast.net <skyflyte@comcast.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: skyflyte@comcast.net <skyflyte@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:13 PM
>
> There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the project
> is 90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of
> building 51% for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate. You
> would probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the
> entire plane, probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but you
> are not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
> Mike
> N490 582
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dorsal" <dorsal61@yahoo.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:51:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
>
> Got my kit from a post like this on this group, just trying to return the
> favor.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kitfox-Model-4_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a0340e49bQQitemZ180443210907QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
This one should get a storm of responses. As I understand it, it
doesn't matter who builds it so long as it is amateur built. There
could be 5 people working on it together, but only one of them can apply
for the airworthiness certificate or the repairman certificate. There
are many kits out there that pass through several owners before
completion. That doesn't preclude them from being registered
experimental. Let the games begin!
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
----- Original Message -----
From: skyflyte@comcast.net
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the
project is 90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA
requirement of building 51% for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA
certificate. You would probably have to strip it down to the kit
componets and rebuild the entire plane, probably not a whole lot of time
to do the strip down, but you are not buying a plane with only 10% of
work to get it flying.
Mike
N490 582
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorsal" <dorsal61@yahoo.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:51:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
Subject: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
Got my kit from a post like this on this group, just trying to return
the favor.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kitfox-Model-4_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem
2a0340e49bQQitemZ180443210907QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft
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| Subject: | KF IV for sale on eBay |
About 3 years ago=2C a flying buddy of mine bought an unfinished Avid Flyer
A model. It had been covered and painted to the silver UV coats. No engi
ne or instruments=2C ect=2C ect. No problem getting it registered as an ex
perimental built=2C even though most of the paperwork had been lost from th
e first owner. He almost didn't get the repairman's cert.=2C but in the en
d=2C they gave it to him. Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn.
From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
This one should get a storm of responses. As I understand it=2C it doesn't
matter who builds it so long as it is amateur built. There could be 5 peo
ple working on it together=2C but only one of them can apply for the airwor
thiness certificate or the repairman certificate. There are many kits out
there that pass through several owners before completion. That doesn't pr
eclude them from being registered experimental. Let the games begin!
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert=2C in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
----- Original Message -----
From: skyflyte@comcast.net
Sent: Monday=2C December 14=2C 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the project is
90% complete=2C there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of buildin
g 51% for an experimental certificate=2C or an ESLA certificate. You would
probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire
plane=2C probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down=2C but you
are not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
Mike
N490 582
do not archive
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Sent: Monday=2C December 14=2C 2009 12:51:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Easter
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Subject: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
yes and no for canuks.
You can register is a BULA - (basic ultralight ) and carry no passengers. AULA
( advanced Ultralight) require a letter of conformity from the manufacturer and
that will likely be impossible to get .
or
register it a homebuilt but you might have to uncover if for the first inspection.
If buying US plane you are better to buy one with 100 TT min in the log book and
do an import inspection.. Plus it will be cheaper in the long run . for 16k
you can likely get a 582 IV already flying or for 23 to 28 k a 912 model
IV already flying.
Dave
[quote="aluminum.flyer(at)gmail.c"]A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it,
register it, fly it, and do all the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the
money and it have a 912 in it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Robert Rivard wrote:
[quote] This just came up on the EAA. web site..As long as you can prove
it was amateur built you can get it registered .But you most likely would not
be able to get a repair mans certificate to do the annual.
BOB
--- On Mon, 12/14/09, skyflyte@comcast.net (skyflyte@comcast.net) wrote:
>
> From: skyflyte@comcast.net (skyflyte@comcast.net)
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com (kitfox-list@matronics.com)
>
> Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:13 PM
>
> There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the project is
90% complete, there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of building 51%
for an experimental certificate, or an ESLA certificate. You would probably
have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire plane, probably
not a whole lot of time to do the strip down, but you are not buying a plane
with only 10% of work to get it flying.
> Mike
> N490 582
> do not archive
>
> ---
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| Subject: | KF IV for sale on eBay |
Aluminum Flyer
Not true on several points, but not worth debating.
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton AB
Kitfox IV-912
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it, register it, fly it, and do all
the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the money and it have a 912 in it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Robert Rivard <bw12345@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
This just came up on the EAA.
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