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1. 01:20 AM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
2. 03:25 AM - Re: Skis required (dave)
3. 03:28 AM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (dave)
4. 06:13 AM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (catz631@aol.com)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (Benny Svien)
6. 08:53 AM - Re: KF IV for sale on eBay (Ken Potter)
7. 06:24 PM - 912 prop choice (Brian Morissette)
8. 06:45 PM - Repairman Certificate (WurlyBird)
9. 08:34 PM - Re: Repairman Certificate (Av8r3400)
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| Subject: | KF IV for sale on eBay |
On Mon, December 14, 2009 9:15 pm, Ted Palamarek wrote:
> Not true on several points, but not worth debating.
Ted,
Since you brought it up, you've got the job of giving us some facts! :) You can
do it,
you're plenty capable. Canadians are listeners too!
At least give us a couple of links. Somebody might be able to buy that guy's 90%
complete Model IV with confidence then.
>> Aluminum Flyer said:
>> A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it, register it, fly it, and do all
>> the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the money and it have a 912 in it.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office
The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the
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-- Mark Twain
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times. What is also the price of freedom is the toleration of
imperfections. If everything that is wrong with the world becomes a
reason to turn more power over to some political savior, then freedom
is going to erode away.... Ultimately, our choice is to give up
Utopian quests or give up our freedom. This has been recognized for
centuries by some, but many others have not yet faced that reality,
even today. If you think government should 'do something' about
anything that ticks you off, or anything you want and don't have, then
you have made your choice between Utopia and freedom."
-- economist Thomas Sowell
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undergo the fatigues of supporting it."
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money. But the volunteerism packages on the Hill are less about
promoting effective charity than about creating make-work, permanent
bureaucracies and Left-wing slush funds. ... Taxpayers GIVE their money
to SERVE a big government agenda under the guise of helping their
fellow man. It's charity at the point of a gun."
-- columnist Michelle Malkin
"To cherish and stimulate the activity of the human mind, by multiplying
the objects of enterprise, is not among the least considerable of the
expedients, by which the wealth of a nation may be promoted."
-- Alexander Hamilton, Report on Manufacturers, December 1791
"Without wishing to damp the ardor of curiosity or influence the
freedom of inquiry, I will hazard a prediction that, after the
most industrious and impartial researchers, the longest liver of
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| Subject: | Re: Skis required |
Marco, pics and videos are all posted .
Dave
>
> http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=155
> I have 4130 Skis available. You send the specs and size wanted for other than
3/4 " axle size on Standard tube gear.
>
> 8 to 12 " wide and 48 to 60" long.
>
> Prices starting at 850$ for straight skis with UHMW bottoms.
> Considering Wheels Skis for King fox and other 21 " tires as they seem the most
popular tire going.
>
> 21 " tires available for 35 $ each
[quote="msm_9949(at)yahoo.com"]Dave,
Could you send pics and specs? I assume you bought them for your model 2. Did
you use them? How did they work out?
I'm interested.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
Hersey, Michigan
--- On Sat, 12/12/09, David Dawe wrote:
>
> From: David Dawe
> Subject: RE: Re: Skis required
> To: "kitfox-list@matronics.com"
> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 7:10 AM
>
>
> Hi
> I have a fiberglass set (3) new, asking $350
>
> Dave
> Kitfox ll
>
>
>
> > Subject: Re: Skis required
> > From: dave@cfisher.com
> > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:51:44 -0800
> > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > THose look like the one a guy makes here in Canada and if so about 1500$ or
so.
> > http://www.turbulence.ca/an/skisan.html#History
> >
> >
> > Here is used ones for 450 a pair.
> >
> > http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=155
> >
> >
> > I have 4130 Skis available. You send the specs and size wanted for other than
3/4 " axle size on Standard tube gear.
> >
> > 8 to 12 " wide and 48 to 60" long.
> >
> > Prices starting at 850$ for straight skis with UHMW bottoms.
> > Considering Wheels Skis for King fox and other 21 " tires as they seem the
most popular tire going.
> >
> > 21 " tires available for 35 $ each
> >
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
this is the facts ..........
yes and no for canuks.
You can register is a BULA - (basic ultralight ) and carry no passengers. AULA
( advanced Ultralight) require a letter of conformity from the manufacturer and
that will likely be impossible to get .
or
register it a homebuilt but you might have to uncover if for the first inspection.
If buying US plane you are better to buy one with 100 TT min in the log book and
do an import inspection.. Plus it will be cheaper in the long run . for 16k
you can likely get a 582 IV already flying or for 23 to 28 k a 912 model IV already
flying.
Dave
Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
> On Mon, December 14, 2009 9:15 pm, Ted Palamarek wrote:
>
>
> > Not true on several points, but not worth debating.
> >
> >
>
> Ted,
>
> Since you brought it up, you've got the job of giving us some facts! :) You can
do it,
> you're plenty capable. Canadians are listeners too!
>
> At least give us a couple of links. Somebody might be able to buy that guy's
90%
> complete Model IV with confidence then.
>
>
> > > Aluminum Flyer said:
> > > A Canadian can buy this airplane, finish it, register it, fly it, and do
all
> > > the work/annuals on it. Now if I only had the money and it have a 912 in
it.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
> 425.440.9505 Office
>
> The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the
> taxidermist leaves the skin.
> -- Mark Twain
>
> "'Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.' We have heard that many
> times. What is also the price of freedom is the toleration of
> imperfections. If everything that is wrong with the world becomes a
> reason to turn more power over to some political savior, then freedom
> is going to erode away.... Ultimately, our choice is to give up
> Utopian quests or give up our freedom. This has been recognized for
> centuries by some, but many others have not yet faced that reality,
> even today. If you think government should 'do something' about
> anything that ticks you off, or anything you want and don't have, then
> you have made your choice between Utopia and freedom."
> -- economist Thomas Sowell
>
> "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men,
> undergo the fatigues of supporting it."
> -- Thomas Paine, The Crisis, No. 4, 1777
>
> No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is
> in session.
> -- Mark Twain (1866)
>
> "Maybe it's just me, but I find federal legislation titled 'The GIVE
> Act' and 'The SERVE Act' downright creepy. Even more troubling: the $6
> billion price tag on these bipartisan bills to expand government-funded
> national service efforts. Volunteerism is a wonderful thing, which is
> why millions of Americans do it every day without a cent of taxpayer
> money. But the volunteerism packages on the Hill are less about
> promoting effective charity than about creating make-work, permanent
> bureaucracies and Left-wing slush funds. ... Taxpayers GIVE their money
> to SERVE a big government agenda under the guise of helping their
> fellow man. It's charity at the point of a gun."
> -- columnist Michelle Malkin
>
> "To cherish and stimulate the activity of the human mind, by multiplying
> the objects of enterprise, is not among the least considerable of the
> expedients, by which the wealth of a nation may be promoted."
> -- Alexander Hamilton, Report on Manufacturers, December 1791
>
> "Without wishing to damp the ardor of curiosity or influence the
> freedom of inquiry, I will hazard a prediction that, after the
> most industrious and impartial researchers, the longest liver of
> you all will find no principles, institutions or systems of
> education more fit in general to be transmitted to your posterity
> than those you have received from your ancestors."
> -- John Adams, letter to the young men of the Philadelphia, 7 May 1798
>
> In England the judges should have independence to protect the people
> against the crown. Here the judges should not be independent of the
> people, but be appointed for not more than seven years. The people
> would always re-elect the good judges.
> -- Andrew Jackson
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
Deke,
You are right about the controversy but this purchase should be no big
deal. This is just an experimental amatuar built airplane. If your aim is to
get the airplane then you should have no trouble in getting the airworthiness
certificate. As mentioned ,projects often go thru many owners before
completed and licensed. Annual condition checks would be signed off by an A&P (as
mine is every year)
If, however, your aim is to get the repairmans certificate that might be
another story depending on how much completion you did and what qualifies.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | KF IV for sale on eBay |
Hi Jim I bought a broken kitfox .I wounder if I could get your friends e-ma
il so I could talk about the process. Thanks Benny
From: thesupe@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
About 3 years ago=2C a flying buddy of mine bought an unfinished Avid Flyer
A model. It had been covered and painted to the silver UV coats. No engi
ne or instruments=2C ect=2C ect. No problem getting it registered as an ex
perimental built=2C even though most of the paperwork had been lost from th
e first owner. He almost didn't get the repairman's cert.=2C but in the en
d=2C they gave it to him. Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn.
From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
This one should get a storm of responses. As I understand it=2C it doesn't
matter who builds it so long as it is amateur built. There could be 5 peo
ple working on it together=2C but only one of them can apply for the airwor
thiness certificate or the repairman certificate. There are many kits out
there that pass through several owners before completion. That doesn't pr
eclude them from being registered experimental. Let the games begin!
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert=2C in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
----- Original Message -----
From: skyflyte@comcast.net
Sent: Monday=2C December 14=2C 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
There is a major problem with this kind of purchase. Since the project is
90% complete=2C there is no way you can meet the FAA requirement of buildin
g 51% for an experimental certificate=2C or an ESLA certificate. You would
probably have to strip it down to the kit componets and rebuild the entire
plane=2C probably not a whole lot of time to do the strip down=2C but you
are not buying a plane with only 10% of work to get it flying.
Mike
N490 582
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Sent: Monday=2C December 14=2C 2009 12:51:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Easter
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Subject: Kitfox-List: KF IV for sale on eBay
Got my kit from a post like this on this group=2C just trying to return the
favor.
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| Subject: | Re: KF IV for sale on eBay |
For importing into Canada Dave is correct. According to the Ministers Delegate
Recreational Aviation (MDRA) It must have either 100 hr + AIR time (not just
TT) or it goes back to the pre-cover inspection stage.
Heres a link to the MDRA Websight. www.md-ra.com
If anyone has experienced MDRA being lenient though I'd be interested because there
are always great partially finished kits out there.
(I've been researching this with MDRA after seeing a Nieuport 11 on Barnstormers
which caught my eye)
Cheers and all the best for the holidays!
Ken
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Model II, No. 483
Rotax 582, C-Box,
98% Complete
C-FJKP (marks reserved)
Lanark, Ontario
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Hi
I am looking at installing a IFA prop on my speederster with a 912. What
seems to be working for people. I would like some day to go on floats so the
prop chosen now should be able to accommodate this (I hope)
I am thinking of a 3 blade ivo (light) or an ivo 2 blade (med).
Thoughts?
Thanks
Brian
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| Subject: | Repairman Certificate |
Can anyone tell me where to look or who to call to find the nearest repairman class?
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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| Subject: | Re: Repairman Certificate |
EAA would be good place to start.
I'm taking the 16 hour E-LSA class this coming January 29-31, in Oshkosh, WI.
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Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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