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     1. 06:12 AM - Climates (Catz631@aol.com)
     2. 08:30 AM - Re: Climates (Dave G)
     3. 08:43 AM - Re: Climates (Dave G)
     4. 09:45 AM - Re: Climates (Tom Jones)
     5. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: Climates (Dave G)
     6. 01:11 PM - Re: Climates (Ken Potter)
     7. 10:30 PM - water temp guage (CLEMWEHNER)
     8. 11:00 PM - Re: water temp guage (Lowell Fitt)
     9. 11:15 PM - Re: water temp guage (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
 
 
 
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      Dave,
       One thing about the Internet is that you can't see the other persons 
      facial expressions,etc. It is sometimes a bear to really communicate what you are
      
      trying to get across. With that in mind I generally agree with you, Florida 
      sucks! (for the reasons you stated) It is ONLY this time of year that I can 
      tolerate it. I am totally misplaced down here. I love mountains.(grew up in 
      COLORADO) We have a beautiful beach here on the Gulf coast. It looks like 
      sugar (they filmed the beach scenes of Jaws Two here) But for 5 months of the 
      year it is unbearably hot,muggy,buggy,yeccchhhh!!!! And then there are 
      hurricanes (wiped out my first hanger)
        This is the ONLY time of year that I fade from my normal envious blue 
      color of where most of you guys live. I bought a cabin in the Smokeys so I 
      would have a place to escape in the summer. But,alas,it's a 5 year wait to get
      a 
      hanger for my airplane and there is very little flat space in the area. So, 
      as the man says, it is what it is.
          Happy New Year!
                                                               Dick Maddux
                                                               Fox 4
                                                               Milton,Fl
      
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      I knew you were just having fun. I know a number of those winter 
      immigrants to Florida as many come from Canada. I am not awfully heat 
      tolerant so there's little appeal for me, but I understand it's quite 
      popular. 
      Winter here in the Maritimes is fairly short and mild, it's snowing a 
      little today and looks like it might stay but it's above zero. Spring 
      should start to show up in about 10 weeks. 
      
      
      I----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Catz631@aol.com 
        To: kitfox-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:07 AM
        Subject: Kitfox-List: Climates
      
      
        Dave,
         One thing about the Internet is that you can't see the other persons 
      facial expressions,etc. It is sometimes a bear to really communicate 
      what you are trying to get across. With that in mind I generally agree 
      with you, Florida sucks! (for the reasons you stated) It is ONLY this 
      time of year that I can tolerate it. I am totally misplaced down here. I 
      love mountains.(grew up in COLORADO) We have a beautiful beach here on 
      the Gulf coast. It looks like sugar (they filmed the beach scenes of 
      Jaws Two here) But for 5 months of the year it is unbearably 
      hot,muggy,buggy,yeccchhhh!!!! And then there are hurricanes (wiped out 
      my first hanger)
          This is the ONLY time of year that I fade from my normal envious 
      blue color of where most of you guys live. I bought a cabin in the 
      Smokeys so I would have a place to escape in the summer. But,alas,it's a 
      5 year wait to get a hanger for my airplane and there is very little 
      flat space in the area. So, as the man says, it is what it is.
            Happy New Year!
                                                                 Dick Maddux
                                                                 Fox 4
                                                                 Milton,Fl
      
      
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      Sorry, should have translated for those who thought I should be cold, 
      it's above zero which is 32, so say it's 35 on your temp scale here. 
      
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      Occom, is this you?  do not archive.
      
      http://www.break.com/index/insane-canadian-fisherman.html
      
      --------
      Tom Jones
      Classic IV
      503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
      Ellensburg, WA
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279765#279765
      
      
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      Now that's funny. Thanks. 
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      
      
      > 
      > Occom, is this you?  do not archive.
      > 
      
      
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      As a Canuck from Ontario... thats just to funny!!
      
      Cheers
      
      Ken
      
      --------
      Ken Potter
      Model II, No. 483
      Rotax 582, C-Box, 
      98% Complete
      C-FJKP (marks reserved)
      Lanark, Ontario
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279795#279795
      
      
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| Subject:  | water temp guage | 
      
      We're getting near done on a KFIV-912. 
      
      But, when I planned the panel a few years ago, I included a Westach quad 
      gauge with CHT, and also made a hole for a separate water temp guage. 
      Now that I think about it, why would I need both? Doesn't CHT equal 
      water temp in an engine with water cooled heads?
      
      Am I missing something?
      
      thanks for the help,
      Clem
      Lawton OK
      KFIV-912 getting near done. 
      
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| Subject:  | Re: water temp guage | 
      
      
      Clem,
      
      I was looking at the cad drawings for my first Kitfox to see how I wanted to 
      set up the panel for the new one, and I too had the temp gauge slotted in 
      there.  I also used the Quad gauge and as you are suggesting, filled the 
      hole with something else - had an extra turn and bank.
      
      Lowell
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "CLEMWEHNER" <clemwehner@sbcglobal.net>
      Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:26 PM
      Subject: Kitfox-List: water temp guage
      
      
      We're getting near done on a KFIV-912.
      
      But, when I planned the panel a few years ago, I included a Westach quad 
      gauge with CHT, and also made a hole for a separate water temp guage. Now 
      that I think about it, why would I need both? Doesn't CHT equal water temp 
      in an engine with water cooled heads?
      
      Am I missing something?
      
      thanks for the help,
      Clem
      Lawton OK
      KFIV-912 getting near done. 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: water temp guage | 
      
      
      On Sat, January 2, 2010 10:26 pm, CLEMWEHNER wrote:
      > We're getting near done on a KFIV-912.
      >
      > But, when I planned the panel a few years ago, I included a Westach quad gauge
      with
      > CHT, and also made a hole for a separate water temp guage.
      
      Good design choice. You won't regret that decision.
      
      > Now that I think about it,
      > why would I need both? Doesn't CHT equal water temp in an engine with water cooled
      > heads?
      
      In a word - no. I definitely would have both CHT and water temp gauges.
      
      If it were mine I would use water temp gauge also.
      
      > Am I missing something?
      
      The quad CHT is important if you want to run lean of peak because you know the
      temperatures in each cylinder head. However, without fuel injection you still might
      not elect to run lean of peak. But if the cylinders run close in temp, you definitely
      can get significant fuel savings running lean of peak in cruise.
      
      The water temperature gauge is an essential instrument too. It will let you know
      if
      you're exceeding that T-stat controlled temp or that your operating temperature
      is too
      low. The cyl head temp reading will be much higher than the water temperature since
      the sensor is generally placed against the head under a spark plug. CHT is also
      effected by power setting whereas T-stat controlled water temperature should remain
      constant at all power settings.
      
      
      -- 
      Paul A. Franz
      Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
      Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
      Bellevue WA
      425.241.1618 Cell
      425.440.9505 Office
      
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