---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/05/10: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:27 AM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (fox5flyer) 2. 07:04 AM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Tom Jones) 3. 07:29 AM - Hand Held Radio (Dorsal) 4. 07:36 AM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Catz631@aol.com) 5. 08:38 AM - Wingtanks (jdmcbean) 6. 08:41 AM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Clint Bazzill) 7. 08:51 AM - Avid Catalina (akflyerbob) 8. 08:54 AM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Bob Brennan) 9. 09:46 AM - Re: Hand Held Radio (Ted Palamarek) 10. 04:59 PM - Re: Hand Held Radio (Tom Jones) 11. 05:03 PM - Re: Wingtanks (dave) 12. 05:06 PM - Re: Hand Held Radio (dave) 13. 05:10 PM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (dave) 14. 06:24 PM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (WurlyBird) 15. 07:31 PM - Re: water temp guage (Noel Loveys) 16. 09:19 PM - Re: Hand Held Radio (carlisle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:26 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing Great, James. Keep us updated. Deke Ps: congrats on your new ticket Subject: Kitfox-List: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing > > I had heard several people mention the wingtank.com replacement tanks but > I had not heard anyone mention actually having them. Well my wonderful > wife got me a set for Christmas and I have just about collected all the > bits needed for the install, I still need to get a spray gun and a > compressor. I thought I would do a log of my installation for anyone who > is interested in these tanks, I also thought it might be mildly > beneficial/interesting since I have never worked with fabric and it has me > a little scared still. Right now I am writing to the guys at > wingtanks.com because the instructions come across as having been written > by someone in a little hurry after having done their 50th similar install. > There just seems to be a few things glossed over as if the directions are > a formality and it all just falls together. I filled one of the tanks to > rinse it out and I got a little short of 5 1/2 gallons in but this was > from bone dry to filling the neck. I am trying to figure ou! > t whether I even need a sight tube fuel gauge and how to install one if I > do. And I am also trying to work out a few other things but I will get to > those as they start to make sense. i plan on doing one wing at a time and > I figure I will be able to remove a wing and install a tank in about a day > and it will probably take 2 weekends to finish the painting but only time > will tell. > > James > > -------- > James > Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop > The ink is still drying on my new certificate ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:11 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing From: "Tom Jones" > I am trying to figure out whether I even need a sight tube fuel gauge and how to install one if I do. I haven't seen these in person but looking at the picture on their web site I'd say you don't need a site gauge. You should be able to see the fuel through the end of the tank...I think. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280215#280215 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:56 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Hand Held Radio From: "Dorsal" Thinking of picking up a hand-held for back-up and com testing. I like the Vertex VXA-220 for it's size, anybody have experience with this unit? -------- Dorsal Series 7 Trike (building) 912S Warp Drive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280224#280224 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:41 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing James, I for one would be very interested in your progress. Please take lots of pictures. I am kind of waiting for this bomb to explode in my aircraft as last week our last station in my area, switched to alcohol fuel and that's what I am forced to use. So if my filters start to clog I am faced with the route you have taken, rip my wings open and reslosh my tanks, or perhaps go to John McBean for a new set of hopefully alcohol resistant tanks. I am favoring the later but will be most interested in your endeavor. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton,Fl ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:35 AM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: Kitfox-List: Wingtanks Dick and others, We have been using the new resin for just over 3 years now and have had no issues with ethanol and even testing done with some much harsher solvents has had very good results. Fly Safe !! John & Debra McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:01 AM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing Dick=2C I have a Model IV. Aug 1993 version. Bare tanks=2C use alcohol fuel all t he time. Alsmost 1500 hours no problems. Clint From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wingtank.com tank install=2C ongoing James=2C I for one would be very interested in your progress. Please take lots of p ictures. I am kind of waiting for this bomb to explode in my aircraft as la st week our last station in my area=2C switched to alcohol fuel and that's what I am forced to use. So if my filters start to clog I am faced with the route you have taken=2C rip my wings open and reslosh my tanks=2C or perha ps go to John McBean for a new set of hopefully alcohol resistant tanks. I am favoring the later but will be most interested in your endeavor. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton=2CFl ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:06 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid Catalina From: "akflyerbob" I am working on an Avid Catalina and am looking for a set of wing tip sponsons/floats. Anyone know of Catalina parts or a wreck please post or email. I've seen a couple wrecks for sale but got no response. -------- Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska KF Mod I and III Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280242#280242 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:56 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing Clint - what % ethanol in the fuel you've been using? What octane rating? It makes a *big* difference... Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop Wrightsville Pa _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clint Bazzill Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing Dick, I have a Model IV. Aug 1993 version. Bare tanks, use alcohol fuel all the time. Alsmost 1500 hours no problems. Clint _____ From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing James, I for one would be very interested in your progress. Please take lots of pictures. I am kind of waiting for this bomb to explode in my aircraft as last week our last station in my area, switched to alcohol fuel and that's what I am forced to use. So if my filters start to clog I am faced with the route you have taken, rip my wings open and reslosh my tanks, or perhaps go to John McBean for a new set of hopefully alcohol resistant tanks. I am favoring the later but will be most interested in your endeavor. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton,Fl >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:59 AM PST US From: "Ted Palamarek" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Hand Held Radio Dorsal No experience with the VXA-220 but a lot of the fellows in the marine environment are using the Vertex and they are very good units. I would put them in the same quality category as the ICOM. I do have one that is in the amateur radio 2M ban and its operation so far has been flawless. Regards Ted Palamarek Edmonton, Ab Kitfox IV-912UL -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dorsal Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Hand Held Radio Thinking of picking up a hand-held for back-up and com testing. I like the Vertex VXA-220 for it's size, anybody have experience with this unit? -------- Dorsal Series 7 Trike (building) 912S Warp Drive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:21 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hand Held Radio From: "Tom Jones" Here's some opinions on hand helds. http://www.supercub.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t 078 -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280309#280309 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:22 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtanks From: "dave" John, My tank are early 1990s vintage and I have over 850 hours in last 3 years alone wince ethanol gas was mandated here in Canada. No leaks or problems yet. Mine do not have any sloshing inside. Have you seen any tanks actually leak or fall apart due to ethanol? I hear of them but Have not seen any yet. Second question...... Droop tips vs hoerner style tips -what gain or losses can be had ? and on model IV wing and early under camber wings. -what is the pricing on your hoerner tips ? Thanks , Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280310#280310 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:44 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hand Held Radio From: "dave" Icom a great radio but be warned that on the newer a 24 models the voltage is about 7volts and if you using a ANR headset it might need more than 7 volts to power them. When hooked into a intercom box the problem is usually solved. Vertex I have used and seem ok too.......... both cheap under 300 $ new -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280311#280311 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:35 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing From: "dave" [quote="Dick Maddux"]James, I for one would be very interested in your progress. Please take lots of pictures. I am kind of waiting for this bomb to explode in my aircraft as last week our last station in my area, switched to alcohol fuel and that's what I am forced to use. So if my filters start to clog I am faced with the route you have taken, rip my wings open and reslosh my tanks, or perhaps go to John McBean for a new set of hopefully alcohol resistant tanks. I am favoring the later but will be most interested in your endeavor. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton,Fl > [b] Dick, I hope that you get good luck that I have had with ethanol gas. I have no sloshing in mine and really would not use it except for last resort. I am too interested in the plastic tank install. seem like a great drop in application. I do have a fellow interested in them for his model 2 as he only has a dash tank. I just repaired his right wing after a ground loop into a bean field and ripped the flapperon off. 3 of the 5 rib ends were torn right off. Tanks outta budjet now for him but maybe in the near future. I test flew it a week ago and works well :) -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280312#280312 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:32 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing From: "WurlyBird" Anyone that has read any of my recent posts knows that I am having fuel concerns and I have been trying to figure out the lesser of the two evils between ethanol and lead. Aside from this issue I have experienced a leak in one of my tanks if filled above half full. I have been using this tank to only hold a couple gallons unless I am going on a long flight but this was a temporary solution. Both tanks have obviously leaked or sloshed out at some time and the fabric underneath them is ruined. So I have concerns about the available fuels in my area, one tank is leaking, and the fabric on the wings REALLY needs to be replaced anyway. It is not too hard to come to the conclusion of simply replacing the tanks. Price was certainly one of the big factors in deciding to go with these tanks over John McB's. I am immediately pleased with these tanks and their construction. They look very sound and robust. The fuel outlets are of a different configuration then I would have expected. You drill a hole, put a hollow, top hat shaped grommet into the dole and then force the outlet into the grommet which then uses pressure to seal the hole. As I mentioned in my first post I had some concerns with the directions and I sent them an email full of questions. All questions have been answered in less then a days time and I was told that the directions are what were handed over when the company changed hands and that all suggestions are welcome regarding them. I will try to make a post every day that I am able to work on the project and I will try to take a bunch of pictures and post the pertinent ones. James -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop The ink is still drying on my new certificate Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280317#280317 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:49 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: water temp guage I guess if you noticed your CHT climbing and the water temp holding steady or even going low, you might guess that you were getting low on coolant. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt Sent: January 3, 2010 3:25 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: water temp guage Clem, I was looking at the cad drawings for my first Kitfox to see how I wanted to set up the panel for the new one, and I too had the temp gauge slotted in there. I also used the Quad gauge and as you are suggesting, filled the hole with something else - had an extra turn and bank. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "CLEMWEHNER" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:26 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: water temp guage We're getting near done on a KFIV-912. But, when I planned the panel a few years ago, I included a Westach quad gauge with CHT, and also made a hole for a separate water temp guage. Now that I think about it, why would I need both? Doesn't CHT equal water temp in an engine with water cooled heads? Am I missing something? thanks for the help, Clem Lawton OK KFIV-912 getting near done. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:44 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Hand Held Radio From: "carlisle" I have the Vertex 220. It's crystal clear with nice loud audio and is very compact. Only complaint is that the keyboard/rotary controls are a little less than user friendly but that's like all modern electronics. You end up using a few functions regularly and get used to accessing those. The rest of the whiz bang features are never accessed. Can't beat the price either. 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