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1. 07:00 AM - Re: Hand Held Radio (Dorsal)
2. 07:57 AM - Re: Avid Catalina (Noel Loveys)
3. 08:18 AM - Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Tom Jones)
4. 11:16 AM - Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (FlyboyTR)
5. 06:42 PM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (WurlyBird)
6. 08:05 PM - Re: Avid Catalina (Malcolm Brubaker)
7. 08:34 PM - Re: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
8. 09:52 PM - Re: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Lowell Fitt)
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| Subject: | Re: Hand Held Radio |
Thanks for the feedback, I can now make an informed purchase.
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Dorsal
Series 7 Trike (building)
912S Warp Drive
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Why not use high density foam carved/filed/sanded to shape then covered with
a layer of two ounce glass? It worked for us in similar applications...
Very lightweight and impervious to puncture.
I thought Avid got rid of the wing tip sponsons in favour of outrigger
floats mounted on the struts
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyerbob
Sent: January 5, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid Catalina
I am working on an Avid Catalina and am
looking for a set of wing tip sponsons/floats.
Anyone know of Catalina parts or a wreck
please post or email. I've seen a couple wrecks
for sale but got no response.
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Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
KF Mod I and III
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
Fly Boy TR wrote:
> I removed it so I could epoxy it back into position. Then I realized there is
no type of corrosion protection inside the flaperons.
Travis, did you find corrosion inside the flaperon?
Besides the foam fibs the flaperon bearing material may be affected by linseed
oil or other corrison inhibitor. I don't know what type foam the ribs are made
of. I think I have a piece of the bearing material in my box of leftover parts.
If you would like it to test something I can mail it to you.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
[quote="Tom Jones"]Fly Boy TR wrote:
> I removed it so I could epoxy it back into position. Then I realized there is
no type of corrosion protection inside the flaperons.
Travis, did you find corrosion inside the flaperon?quote]
No, Didn't notice any inside the end piece of the flaperon. Mainly concerned because
there was no zinc primer...or something.
I have some Corrosion X in aerosol and pump sprayer. I guess I could just spray
some around in each section through the available slots and drain holes with
hopes that I got good coverage.
Great thought on the foam issue. I'll check before spraying.
Thanks!
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
Here is what is sure to be the first of many questions during this install. I
am almost done reading the Poly-Fiber manual and it mentions that a PF sealer
needs to be used any time securing fabric to wood, fine. The guys at wingtanks.com
are telling me that I do not need to use any sealer and I can simply glue
down the plywood covers, apply fabric and paint. What are your thoughts on
this?
Having gotten into this manual, and now my wing, I have come to realize that my
Kitfox does not have rib stitching on it's overcambered wing which according
to PF should certainly have stitching. I have not pulled out the build manual
yet but I was wondering if this is normal for the KF.
I have some pictues of the damaged fabric on one wing and I will post them once
I get into the wing and have more pictures worth posting.
James
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James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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I flew an avid several years ago in michigan I think that plane is for sale
with a 618 in it-- why not use full lotis sponsons---
Malcolm Brubaker
=0AMichigan Sport
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--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid Catalina
Why not use high density foam carved/filed/sanded to shape then covered wit
h
a layer of two ounce glass?- It worked for us in similar applications...
Very lightweight and impervious to puncture.
I thought Avid got rid of the wing tip sponsons in favour of outrigger
floats mounted on the struts
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyerbob
Sent: January 5, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid Catalina
>
I am working on an Avid Catalina and am
looking for a set of wing tip sponsons/floats.
Anyone know of Catalina parts or a wreck
please post or email. I've seen a couple wrecks
for sale but got no response.
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Bob Wolfe..Soldotna, Alaska
KF Mod I and III
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
On Thu, January 7, 2010 6:40 pm, WurlyBird wrote:
>
> Here is what is sure to be the first of many questions during this install.
I am
> almost done reading the Poly-Fiber manual and it mentions that a PF sealer needs
to be
> used any time securing fabric to wood, fine. The guys at wingtanks.com are telling
me
> that I do not need to use any sealer and I can simply glue down the plywood covers,
> apply fabric and paint. What are your thoughts on this?
Always follow PolyFiber's instructions. They trump anyone else's. If in doubt phone
them, they are of the utmost help and support. They cheerfully answer questions.
They
have even sent me extra stuff without charging when I only needed little.
> Having gotten into this manual, and now my wing, I have come to realize that
my Kitfox
> does not have rib stitching on it's overcambered wing which according to PF should
> certainly have stitching. I have not pulled out the build manual yet but I was
> wondering if this is normal for the KF.
This has been discussed frequently over the years. Screws and rivets have very
often
been used successfully by themselves however rib lacing is by far the most preferred
way. Rib lacing is a quickly learned skill and each time I have done it, I had
to go
back to the manual to learn it again. I think it added less than 10 total hours
for
all of it that I did on both wings and in several other places in the tail feathers
and landing gear struts.
I encourage you to rib lace where you are recovering. I wouldn't bother removing
covering just to rib lace as long as it otherwise doesn't require recovering. Most
flight shows this spring will have a Poly Fiber clinic where you can practice with
supervision. The manual shows you how to tie the knots and hide them using good
drawings so that will just be a fun new thing to learn and do for you.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
James,
I did a bit of research a couple of days ago regarding the Steve Wittman
crash. His Tailwind had plywood skinned wings with fabric over the plywood.
He used dacron fabric and a cotton fabric / dope to attach the fabric to the
wood. After ten years flying his airplane, the fabric separated just
forward of the aileron and the resulting flutter destroyed the airplane in
flight. In other words, he didn't use proper procedures.
For my money, in this situation, I think I would pay some attention to the
fabric guys - unless, of course, the tank guys are very rich or have great
liability insurance.
Regarding the ribstitching - I believe ribstitching was very rare in the
early Kitfoxes. My 1993 Model IV manual said nothing about rib stitching.
I did it though because of talk on the Kitfox list back then. If I were to
guess, I suspect not four or five out of a hundred were rib stitched -
again, in the early Kitfoxes. I suspect when others read your post, some I
through III pilots might chime in with more authoritative info.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> Here is what is sure to be the first of many questions during this
> install. I am almost done reading the Poly-Fiber manual and it mentions
> that a PF sealer needs to be used any time securing fabric to wood, fine.
> The guys at wingtanks.com are telling me that I do not need to use any
> sealer and I can simply glue down the plywood covers, apply fabric and
> paint. What are your thoughts on this?
>
> Having gotten into this manual, and now my wing, I have come to realize
> that my Kitfox does not have rib stitching on it's overcambered wing which
> according to PF should certainly have stitching. I have not pulled out
> the build manual yet but I was wondering if this is normal for the KF.
>
> I have some pictues of the damaged fabric on one wing and I will post them
> once I get into the wing and have more pictures worth posting.
>
> James
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> The ink is still drying on my new certificate
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280601#280601
>
>
>
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