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2. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Marco Menezes)
3. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Larry Huntley)
4. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (bob noffs)
5. 09:44 AM - Re: seria nr (Lowell Fitt)
6. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Lowell Fitt)
7. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Patrick Reilly)
8. 01:24 PM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (akflyer)
9. 01:31 PM - Re: seria nr (Cudnohufsky's)
10. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (Patrick Reilly)
11. 07:38 PM - Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing (akflyer)
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Hello
I have a kitfox wit serial nr 802
For the dutch FAA there must be a non removable serial nr in the fuselage
Does anyone know if there is such a nr punched in the frame
I can do it myself but if there is already one then it ls not necessary
Thanks eric
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
James,
-
My Model 2 is not rib-stitched. I did not cover and paint myself but I did
carefully review every line of the builders logs and published instructions
after purchasing-the project. As I recall, Kitfox did not then (early '9
0's) recommend rib stitching, advising that the 1" cap strips on the ribs p
rovided a sufficient glue surface to hold down the fabric without stitching
.
-
Having said that, if I were rebuilding my wings today and stitching would o
nly add 10 hours as Paul advises, I'd stitch. Redundancy-is a great thing
at 5000' msl.
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
Hersey, Michigan
--- On Thu, 1/7/10, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing
l>
Here is what is sure to be the first of many questions during this install.
- I am almost done reading the Poly-Fiber manual and it mentions that a P
F sealer needs to be used any time securing fabric to wood, fine.- The gu
ys at wingtanks.com are telling me that I do not need to use any sealer and
I can simply glue down the plywood covers, apply fabric and paint.- What
are your thoughts on this?
Having gotten into this manual, and now my wing, I have come to realize tha
t my Kitfox does not have rib stitching on it's overcambered wing which acc
ording to PF should certainly have stitching.- I have not pulled out the
build manual yet but I was wondering if this is normal for the KF.
I have some pictues of the damaged fabric on one wing and I will post them
once I get into the wing and have more pictures worth posting.
James
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James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
Sealer is quick and cheap and may prevent wood rotting or whatever later
on. Can't think of any reason to not do it.
Same w/ ribstitching. I ribstitched my 4-1200 and I wouldn't fly a Kitfox
without it. Not that you shouldn't if you so desire, just that I won't. Not
to bad a project to pull the tapes ,stitch, replace new tapes.
Learning the Modified seine knot that most use in ribstiching takes a bit
of time and it is a slow process after you lean. You can ,hoever, use the
Beechcraft Staggerwing knot that is much easier and faster. The Sewart
Systems process has this written into their Manual and STC for certified
aircraft. FWIIW, the Stewart System can be used over any other process for
repairs and the ce,ent and paint,etc. will not react with other materials
like dope or poly will. I have written this in terms of certified aircraft,
but of course ,if is will be acceptable on certified it is acceptable on
Experimental. http://www.stewartsystems.aero/
Check their site above. I have been using their materials for over 5 yrs and
am very pleased with it.
Larry Huntley A&P ,4-1200 EA-81,Warp,AMAX redrive,
500+ hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> Here is what is sure to be the first of many questions during this
> install. I am almost done reading the Poly-Fiber manual and it mentions
> that a PF sealer needs to be used any time securing fabric to wood, fine.
> The guys at wingtanks.com are telling me that I do not need to use any
> sealer and I can simply glue down the plywood covers, apply fabric and
> paint. What are your thoughts on this?
>
> Having gotten into this manual, and now my wing, I have come to realize
> that my Kitfox does not have rib stitching on it's overcambered wing which
> according to PF should certainly have stitching. I have not pulled out
> the build manual yet but I was wondering if this is normal for the KF.
>
> I have some pictues of the damaged fabric on one wing and I will post them
> once I get into the wing and have more pictures worth posting.
>
> James
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> The ink is still drying on my new certificate
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280601#280601
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
the truth about the need to rib stitch is buried in the need for poly fiber
to cover their hinder and the kit mfgr. to make his kit appear as quick to
build as possible. poly fiber states in their manual it is imperative to rib
stitch ''even with 1 inch wide rib caps''.
bob noffs
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Larry Huntley <asq@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> Sealer is quick and cheap and may prevent wood rotting or whatever later
> on. Can't think of any reason to not do it.
> Same w/ ribstitching. I ribstitched my 4-1200 and I wouldn't fly a Kitfox
> without it. Not that you shouldn't if you so desire, just that I won't. Not
> to bad a project to pull the tapes ,stitch, replace new tapes.
> Learning the Modified seine knot that most use in ribstiching takes a bit
> of time and it is a slow process after you lean. You can ,hoever, use the
> Beechcraft Staggerwing knot that is much easier and faster. The Sewart
> Systems process has this written into their Manual and STC for certified
> aircraft. FWIIW, the Stewart System can be used over any other process for
> repairs and the ce,ent and paint,etc. will not react with other materials
> like dope or poly will. I have written this in terms of certified aircraft,
> but of course ,if is will be acceptable on certified it is acceptable on
> Experimental. http://www.stewartsystems.aero/
> Check their site above. I have been using their materials for over 5 yrs
> and am very pleased with it.
> Larry Huntley A&P ,4-1200 EA-81,Warp,AMAX redrive,
> 500+ hrs
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "WurlyBird" <
> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:40 PM
>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing
>
>
>> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>>
>> Here is what is sure to be the first of many questions during this
>> install. I am almost done reading the Poly-Fiber manual and it mentions
>> that a PF sealer needs to be used any time securing fabric to wood, fine.
>> The guys at wingtanks.com are telling me that I do not need to use any
>> sealer and I can simply glue down the plywood covers, apply fabric and
>> paint. What are your thoughts on this?
>>
>> Having gotten into this manual, and now my wing, I have come to realize
>> that my Kitfox does not have rib stitching on it's overcambered wing which
>> according to PF should certainly have stitching. I have not pulled out the
>> build manual yet but I was wondering if this is normal for the KF.
>>
>> I have some pictues of the damaged fabric on one wing and I will post them
>> once I get into the wing and have more pictures worth posting.
>>
>> James
>>
>> --------
>> James
>> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
>> The ink is still drying on my new certificate
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280601#280601
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Eric,
I am not sure about the early Models, but in the Model IV, the serial number
is stamped on the center shoulder harness bracket.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "eric hendriks" <ehtbox@planet.nl>
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: seria nr
>
> Hello
>
> I have a kitfox wit serial nr 802
>
> For the dutch FAA there must be a non removable serial nr in the fuselage
> Does anyone know if there is such a nr punched in the frame
>
> I can do it myself but if there is already one then it ls not necessary
>
> Thanks eric
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280688#280688
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
For what it is worth, my very recent experience with rib stitching amounts
to approximately the following.
Measuring and marking the stitch locations with a chalk line and punching
the holes about half an hour each wing
Positioning the reinforcing tape about an hour each wing
Rib stitching about a day each wing ( I did rib stitch under the wing tank
and under my aluminum leading edge - a bit more challenging)
Then there is the long finish tape over the spar, that needed to be
sectioned rather than applied in one continuous strip to avoid crossing the
reinforcing tape an additional half hour.
Total about three days.
Cost about $100 for the reinforcing tape and $50 for the rib lace cord.
Worth it? To me yes.
Lowell
In short, I think I have
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Menezes" <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing
James,
My Model 2 is not rib-stitched. I did not cover and paint myself but I did
carefully review every line of the builders logs and published instructions
after purchasing the project. As I recall, Kitfox did not then (early '90's)
recommend rib stitching, advising that the 1" cap strips on the ribs
provided a sufficient glue surface to hold down the fabric without
stitching.
Having said that, if I were rebuilding my wings today and stitching would
only add 10 hours as Paul advises, I'd stitch. Redundancy is a great thing
at 5000' msl.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
Hersey, Michigan
--- On Thu, 1/7/10, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing
<james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Here is what is sure to be the first of many questions during this install.
I am almost done reading the Poly-Fiber manual and it mentions that a PF
sealer needs to be used any time securing fabric to wood, fine. The guys at
wingtanks.com are telling me that I do not need to use any sealer and I can
simply glue down the plywood covers, apply fabric and paint. What are your
thoughts on this?
Having gotten into this manual, and now my wing, I have come to realize that
my Kitfox does not have rib stitching on it's overcambered wing which
according to PF should certainly have stitching. I have not pulled out the
build manual yet but I was wondering if this is normal for the KF.
I have some pictues of the damaged fabric on one wing and I will post them
once I get into the wing and have more pictures worth posting.
James
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280601#280601
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
James, I would difinitely seal the wood. It will resist moisture. Nothing
will make it "Waterproof". I had the same question when I rebuilt my Mod 3.
I can't remember if I settled on varnish or used West System Epoxy to seal.
I know I thought about varnish and usually have West resin on hand. The
aircraft suppliers sell 2 part varnishes that cost a gizzillian $. I needed
maybe a 1/2 pint What ever I used I tested it with PF product to make sure
they were compatible.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:40 PM, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>wrote:
> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> Here is what is sure to be the first of many questions during this install.
> I am almost done reading the Poly-Fiber manual and it mentions that a PF
> sealer needs to be used any time securing fabric to wood, fine. The guys at
> wingtanks.com are telling me that I do not need to use any sealer and I
> can simply glue down the plywood covers, apply fabric and paint. What are
> your thoughts on this?
>
> Having gotten into this manual, and now my wing, I have come to realize
> that my Kitfox does not have rib stitching on it's overcambered wing which
> according to PF should certainly have stitching. I have not pulled out the
> build manual yet but I was wondering if this is normal for the KF.
>
> I have some pictues of the damaged fabric on one wing and I will post them
> once I get into the wing and have more pictures worth posting.
>
> James
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> The ink is still drying on my new certificate
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280601#280601
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
When I got my plane it was not rib stitched. for peace of mind, I stitched it
when I rebuild it. The polyfiber manual I have says you dont have to ribstitch
UNDERCAMBERED wings, but you need to be very careful and not shrink to the full
temp or it could pull away. Total time for me to cover, layout, stitch, tape,
shrink and have ready to shoot silver was one day each wing. The third day
was shooting silver and top coat.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (87 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
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I believe my 4 XL was stamped on the cross member below the dash
Lloyd C
Mod 5 912ul
Ivo IFA
Iron Mtn Mi.
Eric,
I am not sure about the early Models, but in the Model IV, the serial number
is stamped on the center shoulder harness bracket.
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
Len, My God, I wished you lived close by. I'd hire you by the hour to cover
the wings on the next one I build.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:21 PM, akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> When I got my plane it was not rib stitched. for peace of mind, I stitched
> it when I rebuild it. The polyfiber manual I have says you dont have to
> ribstitch UNDERCAMBERED wings, but you need to be very careful and not
> shrink to the full temp or it could pull away. Total time for me to cover,
> layout, stitch, tape, shrink and have ready to shoot silver was one day each
> wing. The third day was shooting silver and top coat.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 (87 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
> IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1450
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280737#280737
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wingtank.com tank install, ongoing |
when I get on a project i dont stop for anything... 5:00 am in the shop, quit
when your done.. Things progress quickly like that.
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
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