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1. 02:53 AM - Re: Milk more power from the 532? (dave)
2. 03:25 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 01/10/10 (Lynn Matteson)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: Milk more power from the 532? (Tom Jones)
4. 09:34 AM - Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (akflyer)
5. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (fox5flyer)
6. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Weiss Richard)
7. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Vic Baker)
8. 11:06 AM - Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Randy Daughenbaugh)
9. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Bob Brennan)
10. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (aerobatics@aol.com)
11. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Weiss Richard)
12. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (aerobatics@aol.com)
13. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Vic Baker)
14. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Bob Brennan)
15. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates!- word from faa- okla (john taylor)
16. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: New plastic pilot certificates!--word from faa in okla city... (john taylor)
17. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates!- word from faa- okla (aerobatics@aol.com)
18. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Milk more power from the 532? (Patrick Reilly)
19. 06:47 PM - Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (akflyer)
20. 06:55 PM - Ethanol RX (Guy Buchanan)
21. 07:52 PM - Re: Ethanol RX (Noel Loveys)
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| Subject: | Re: Milk more power from the 532? |
Float Flyr wrote:
> Will a Rotax box take that kind of horsepower?
>
> Noel
>
> --
sure , but use a c or E box
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
http://www.cfisher.com/
Awesome *New Forum *
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 01/10/10 |
My flight instructor has already warned me about trying to modify the
vibrator for a frontal approach. I guess there are a lot of warped
minds out there...besides my own. : )
What is a TKS system?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 834.5 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~167 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:44 AM, Ed Gray wrote:
>
> Lynn, I really think you need a TKS system on that Fox. Maybe not,
> since it
> will carry "a ton of ice". One obvious mod you haven't thought of,
> take the
> vibrator motor from the Scholls back pad, install it in your shorts
> and you
> will discover a new dimension in flying pleasure!
>
> Ed Gray KII 582 b box now grounded while adding a mod seven
> vertical tail &
> rudder.
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| Subject: | Re: Milk more power from the 532? |
670 Rotax
http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_394349_KING+KONG+670+ROTAX+DUAL+IGN..html
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! |
I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and told me
the same thing. She said she was going around and telling everyone she could
find at the airports because as she understood it, come March or April if you
don't have the new certificate, you will have to go back for check rides etc,
and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have already is null and void.
I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few weeks!
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! |
One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not
for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I
couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket
for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have a
fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get recertified
just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the rumors are
bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.
Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come
> March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go
> back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have
> already is null and void.
>
> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few
> weeks!
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
> Soldotna AK
> Avid "C" / Mk IV
> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
> IVO IFA
> Full Lotus 1450
> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>
> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! |
Deke,
A lot of fiction is floating around surrounding this topic. I thought it
best to go to the source. I have a call in to FAA Headquarters and I hop
e to have the facts soon. When I get them I'll be sure to post it for eve
ryone.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:17 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not
for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul,
I couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's tick
et for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would
have a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get
recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the
rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.
> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
>
>>
>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling everyo
ne she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come March
or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go back
for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have alrea
dy is null and void.
>>
>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a fe
w weeks!
>>
>> --------
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>> Soldotna AK
>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
>> IVO IFA
>> Full Lotus 1450
>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>
>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! |
Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear
this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buried,
looks like the ball got dropped on this one.
What about the EAA? Nothing from them either.....
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
> often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not
> for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I
> couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket
> for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have
> a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get
> recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the
> rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.
> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
>
>>
>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,
>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have
>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may
>> have already is null and void.
>>
>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few
>> weeks!
>>
>> --------
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>> Soldotna AK
>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
>> IVO IFA
>> Full Lotus 1450
>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>
>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! |
I find it hard to believe too, but it was someone who works for the FAA that
told me that.
I was also told not to throw away the paper cert because all the
documentation refers back to it.
Randy
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT <paul@eucleides.com
> wrote:
> paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Mon, January 11, 2010 7:31 pm, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:
> > Don't forget to get your new pilot certificate before the end of March!
>
> Thanks for the reminder, Randy.
>
> > Your paper certificate will expire and as I understand it, if you want
> to
> > fly after that, you will have to take all the tests over for each rating
> you
> > have.
>
> My interpretation is that the "Paper Certificate" expires and that doesn't
> mean your
> ratings expire. In order to exercise your certification privileges you must
> be in
> possession of a valid certificate. I didn't find anything saying one would
> lose your
> ratings if you didn't get the new certificate by March 31.
>
> >
> http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/
>
> If you follow their instructions for reissuing your certificate without you
> SSI
> number, it is free. Otherwise they charge you $2 for a replacement. They
> immediately
> e-mailed my verification and said I would receive the new certificate
> within two
> weeks.
>
> What I found interesting is that they do not require having a current
> medical to issue
> the replacement certificate.
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> 425.241.1618 Cell
> 425.440.9505 Office
>
> Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
> -- Will Rogers
>
> I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.
> -- Will Rogers
>
> "Did you ever know a politician that was not 'facing the most
> critical time in the world's affairs' every time he spoke in public?"
> -- humorist Will Rogers (1879-1935)
>
> "When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know
> whether to answer 'present' or 'not guilty.'"
> --President Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
>
> The problem ... is that we have run out of dinosaurs to form oil with.
> Scientists working for the Department of Energy have tried to form oil
> using
> other animals; they've piled thousands of tons of sand and Middle Eastern
> countries on top of cows, raccoons, haddock, laboratory rats, etc., but so
> far all they have managed to do is run up an enormous bulldozer-rental bill
> and anger a lot of Middle Eastern persons. None of the animals turned into
> oil, although most of the laboratory rats developed cancer.
> -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
>
> You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe that,
> contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from houses.
> Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists actually
> use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you visit a
> scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire
> roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on how
> cool he is and drinking heavily.
> -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"
>
> _
>
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! |
Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us?
Thanks!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear
this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buried,
looks like the ball got dropped on this one.
What about the EAA? Nothing from them either.....
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
> often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not
> for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I
> couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket
> for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have
> a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get
> recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the
> rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.
> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
>
>>
>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,
>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have
>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may
>> have already is null and void.
>>
>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few
>> weeks!
>>
>> --------
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>> Soldotna AK
>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
>> IVO IFA
>> Full Lotus 1450
>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>
>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! |
I am an instructor at RTC and we give a written notice to all customers
regarding this... for the last 6 months or so..
Dave
KF 2 582
In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:18:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
matronics@bob.brennan.name writes:
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan"
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us?
Thanks!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Baker" <vr_baker@nvbell.net>
Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear
this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat
buried,
looks like the ball got dropped on this one.
What about the EAA? Nothing from them either.....
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
> often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If
not
> for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul,
I
> couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's
ticket
> for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would
have
> a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get
> recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the
> rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.
> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
>
>>
>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,
>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will
have
>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you
may
>> have already is null and void.
>>
>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a
few
>> weeks!
>>
>> --------
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>> Soldotna AK
>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
>> IVO IFA
>> Full Lotus 1450
>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>
>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! |
Guys/Gals,
This information is from the AOPA:
Plastic certificates
On February 28 2008, the FAA released its final rule requiring pilots and
airmen to switch from their paper pilot certificates to the new counterfe
it resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have until March 31, 2010, and al
l other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to convert their certificates in
order to continue to exercise their privileges. After the 2010 and 2013
deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted will have to request
and receive a new plastic certificates before exercising their privileges
.
There is no mention of retesting or flight checks, you won't be able to
exercise the privileges of the certificates if they are not of the plasti
c variety. Only plastic certificates will be legal and you must have them
in your possession.
I'm still waiting for more information direct from the FAA, but this is pr
etty clear.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
name>
>
> Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running ou
t!
>
>
> Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to he
ar
> this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buri
ed,
> looks like the ball got dropped on this one.
>
> What about the EAA? Nothing from them either.....
>
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp
> Carson City, Nv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running ou
t!
>
>
>
>>
>> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
>> often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If
not
>> for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul,
I
>> couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's tick
et
>> for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would
have
>
>> a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get
>> recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that th
e
>> rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there
.
>> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
>>
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
>>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
>>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,
>>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will ha
ve
>>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you
may
>
>>> have already is null and void.
>>>
>>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a
few
>>> weeks!
>>>
>>> --------
>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>>> Soldotna AK
>>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
>>> IVO IFA
>>> Full Lotus 1450
>>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>>
>>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Agrred we understand you dont lose a thing just cant fly until u get ur
plastic
In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
MDKitfox@aol.com writes:
Guys/Gals,
This information is from the AOPA:
Plastic certificates
On February 28 2008, the FAA released its _final rule_
(http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20081800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/E8-3827.p
df) requiring pilots and airmen to switch from their paper pilot
certificates to the new counterfeit resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have
until March 31, 2010, and all other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to
convert their certificates in order to continue to exercise their privileges.
After the 2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted
will have to request and receive a new plastic certificates before exercising
their privileges.
There is no mention of retesting or flight checks, you won't be able to
exercise the privileges of the certificates if they are not of the plastic
variety. Only plastic certificates will be legal and you must have them in
your possession.
I'm still waiting for more information direct from the FAA, but this is
pretty clear.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
<_matronics@bob.brennan.name_ (mailto:matronics@bob.brennan.name) >
Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us?
Thanks!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: _owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
(mailto:vr_baker@nvbell.net) >
Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear
this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat
buried,
looks like the ball got dropped on this one.
What about the EAA? Nothing from them either.....
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <_fox5flyer@idealwifi.net_
(mailto:fox5flyer@idealwifi.net) >
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
(mailto:fox5flyer@idealwifi.net) >
One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not
for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I
couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket
for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have
a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get
recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the
rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.
Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
(mailto:akflyer_2000@yahoo.com) >
I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,
come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have
to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may
have already is null and void.
I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few
weeks!
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
Read this topic online here:
_http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180_
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Will do:
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
>
> Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear
> this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat
> buried,
> looks like the ball got dropped on this one.
>
> What about the EAA? Nothing from them either.....
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp
> Carson City, Nv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
>
>>
>> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
>> often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not
>> for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I
>> couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket
>> for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would
>> have
>
>> a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get
>> recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the
>> rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.
>> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
>>
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
>>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
>>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,
>>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have
>>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you
>>> may
>
>>> have already is null and void.
>>>
>>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few
>>> weeks!
>>>
>>> --------
>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>>> Soldotna AK
>>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
>>> IVO IFA
>>> Full Lotus 1450
>>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>>
>>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! |
So obviously this quote from below is just "snake oil"?? (said with a grin
Leonard...)
>>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
>>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
>>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,
>>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have
>>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you
>>> may have already is null and void.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
Will do:
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper
_certificates/
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
> <matronics@bob.brennan.name>
>
> Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob Brennan - N717GB
> ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
> 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
> Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
> Wrightsville Pa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
>
> Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear
> this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat
> buried,
> looks like the ball got dropped on this one.
>
> What about the EAA? Nothing from them either.....
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp
> Carson City, Nv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>
>
>>
>> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
>> often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not
>> for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I
>> couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket
>> for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would
>> have
>
>> a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get
>> recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the
>> rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.
>> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
>>
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
>>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
>>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,
>>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have
>>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you
>>> may
>
>>> have already is null and void.
>>>
>>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few
>>> weeks!
>>>
>>> --------
>>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
>>> Soldotna AK
>>> Avid "C" / Mk IV
>>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
>>> IVO IFA
>>> Full Lotus 1450
>>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
>>>
>>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates!- word from faa- okla |
rick et al, i got denied on line with an error code 218 & was referred by b
aton rouge fsdo to okla city where andrew in the examiners' office said ess
entially what u reported: no loss of certificates, hours etc; just can no l
onger exercise ones certificated privileges after 31 mar 2010 without the n
ew plastic certificate in hand. in my case, the 218 code-had to do with d
ate of issue (late 50s) when faa was using a "black code bkgrd?" vs a "blue
code" later. so i was instructed to use reg mail request, written, signed,
with name, date & place of- birth, cert # & date, & $2 re-issue fee-- se
nt to: -faa airmen's cert branch, AFS-760, p.o. box 25082, okla city, ok,
73125. 4-6 wks turn around. hope this helps.- john bowman, bldg avid+, p
rairieville, la.- p.s. what is RTC? tnx.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0AFrom: "aerobatics@aol.com" <aerobatics@aol.com>=0ATo: kitf
ox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:56:47 PM=0ASubject: R
e: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!=0A=0AAgrre
d- we understand you dont lose a thing- just cant fly until u get ur pl
astic=0A=0AIn a message dated 1/12/2010 1:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
MDKitfox@aol.com writes:=0AGuys/Gals, =0A>=0A>=0A>This information is from
the AOPA:=0A>=0A>=0A>Plastic certificates=0A>On February 28 2008, the FAA
released its-final rule-requiring pilots and airmen to switch from thei
r paper pilot certificates to the new counterfeit resistant plastic certifi
cate. Pilots have until March 31, 2010, and all other airmen have until Mar
ch 31, 2013, to convert their certificates in order to continue to exercise
their privileges. After the 2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who
have not converted will have to request and receive a new plastic certific
ates before exercising their privileges.=0A>=0A>=0A>There is no mention of
retesting or flight checks, -you won't be able to exercise the privileges
of the certificates if they are not of the plastic variety. -Only plasti
c certificates will be legal and you must have them in your possession.=0A>
=0A>=0A>I'm still waiting for more information direct from the FAA, but thi
s is pretty clear.=0A>=0A>=0A>Rick Weiss=0A>N39RW Series V Speedster, 912UL
S=0A>SkyStar S/N 1=0A>Port Orange, FL=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jan 12, 2010, a
b Brennan" <matronics@bob.brennan.name>=0A>>=0A>>Vic - could you please pos
t that link for the rest of us? =0A>>=0A>>Thanks!=0A>>=0A>>Bob Brennan - N7
17GB=0A>>ELSA Repairman, inspection rated=0A>>1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox t
aildragger=0A>>Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop=0A>>Wrightsville Pa=0A>>=0A>
>-----Original Message-----=0A>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.co
m=0A>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Bake
r=0A>>Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM=0A>>To: kitfox-list@matronics
.com=0A>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is runn
nvbell.net>=0A>>=0A>>Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm al
so surprised to hear =0A>>this. -I searched the FAA website and did find
the notice, somewhat buried, =0A>>looks like the ball got dropped on this o
ne.=0A>>=0A>>What about the EAA? -Nothing from them either.....=0A>>=0A>>
=0A>>=0A>>Vic Baker=0A>>S7 912S Warp=0A>>Carson City, Nv=0A>>----- Original
Message ----- =0A>>From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>=0A>>To: <ki
tfox-list@matronics.com>=0A>>Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM=0A>>S
ubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
er@idealwifi.net>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>One would think that not all pilots
are on the net and maybe don't fly =0A>>>=0A>>often, ie flying farmers or t
hose who have taken a few years off. -If not =0A>>>=0A>>for the internet
I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I =0A>>>=0A>>couldn'
t find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket =0A>>>
=0A>>for failure to make the change on time. -I suspect that the FAA woul
d have=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of peop
le had to get =0A>>>=0A>>recertified just because they were late. -Person
ally, I suspect that the =0A>>>=0A>>rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal
BS is floating around out there.=0A>>>=0A>>Then again, just in case... -
I sent mine off today. -:-)=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>Deke Morisse=0A>>>=0A>>M
ikado Michigan=0A>>>=0A>>S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT=0A>>>=0A>>"If you put the fe
deral government in charge of the Sahara=0A>>>=0A>>Desert, in five years th
ere'd be a shortage of sand."=0A>>>=0A>>-- Nobel prize-winning economist Mi
lton Friedman (1912-2006)=0A>>>=0A>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot cer
tificates! Time is running out!=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>--> Kitfox-
List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>
>>=0A>>I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall a
nd =0A>>>>=0A>>told me the same thing. -She said she was going around and
telling =0A>>>>=0A>>everyone she could find at the airports because as she
understood it, =0A>>>>=0A>>come March or April if you don't have the new c
ertificate, you will have =0A>>>>=0A>>to go back for check rides etc, and t
he 10s of thousands of hours you may=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>have already is null a
nd void.=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>I applied for mine and changed the number..
free and got it within a few =0A>>>>=0A>>weeks!=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>---
-----=0A>>>>=0A>>DO NOT ARCHIVE=0A>>>>=0A>>Leonard Perry aka SNAKE=0A>>>>
=0A>>Soldotna AK=0A>>>>=0A>>Avid "C" / Mk IV=0A>>>>=0A>>582 (100
hrs and counting on the rebuild)=0A>>>>=0A>>IVO IFA=0A>>>>=0A>>Full Lotus 1
450=0A>>>>=0A>>#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>
>I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....=0A>>
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| Subject: | Re: New plastic pilot certificates!--word from faa in |
okla city...
=0A________________________________=0A=0Arick et al, i got denied on line w
ith an error code 218 & was referred by baton rouge fsdo to okla city where
andrew in the examiners' office said essentially what u reported: no loss
of certificates, hours etc; just can no longer exercise ones certificated p
rivileges after 31 mar 2010 without the new plastic certificate in hand. in
my case, the 218 code-had to do with date of issue (late 50s) when faa w
as using a "black code bkgrd?" vs a "blue code" later. so i was instructed
to use reg mail request, written, signed, with name, date & place of- bir
th, cert # & date, & $2 re-issue fee-- sent to: -faa airmen's cert branch
, AFS-760, p.o. box 25082, okla city, ok, 73125. 4-6 wks turn around. hope
this helps.- john bowman, bldg avid+, prairieville, la.- p.s. what is R
TC? tnx.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "aero
batics@aol.com" <aerobatics@aol.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent
: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:56:47 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilo
t certificates! Time is running out!=0A=0AAgrred- we understand you dont
lose a thing- just cant fly until u get ur plastic=0A=0AIn a message date
d 1/12/2010 1:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, MDKitfox@aol.com writes:=0A
Guys/Gals, =0A>=0A>=0A>This information is from the AOPA:=0A>=0A>=0A>Plasti
c certificates=0A>On February 28 2008, the FAA released its-final rule-
requiring pilots and airmen to switch from their paper pilot certificates t
o the new counterfeit resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have until Marc
h 31, 2010, and all other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to convert thei
r certificates in order to continue to exercise their privileges. After the
2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted will hav
e to request and receive a new plastic certificates before exercising their
privileges.=0A>=0A>=0A>There is no mention of retesting or flight checks,
-you won't be able to exercise the privileges of the certificates if they
are not of the plastic variety. -Only plastic certificates will be legal
and you must have them in your possession.=0A>=0A>=0A>I'm still waiting fo
r more information direct from the FAA, but this is pretty clear.=0A>=0A>
=0A>Rick Weiss=0A>N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS=0A>SkyStar S/N 1=0A>Port
Orange, FL=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Bob Brennan wro
brennan.name>=0A>>=0A>>Vic - could you please post that link for the rest o
f us? =0A>>=0A>>Thanks!=0A>>=0A>>Bob Brennan - N717GB=0A>>ELSA Repairman, i
nspection rated=0A>>1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger=0A>>Rotax 582 w
ith 3 blade GSC prop=0A>>Wrightsville Pa=0A>>=0A>>-----Original Message----
-=0A>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A>>[mailto:owner-kitfox
-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker=0A>>Sent: Tuesday, Janua
ry 12, 2010 1:54 PM=0A>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0A>>Subject: Re: Kitf
ox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!=0A>>=0A>>--> Kitf
ox-List message posted by: "Vic Baker" <vr_baker@nvbell.net>=0A>>=0A>>Being
active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear =0A>>
this. -I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat burie
d, =0A>>looks like the ball got dropped on this one.=0A>>=0A>>What about th
e EAA? -Nothing from them either.....=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Vic Baker=0A>>S7
912S Warp=0A>>Carson City, Nv=0A>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From:
"fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>=0A>>To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
=0A>>Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM=0A>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List:
Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>--> Ki
tfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>=0A>>>=0A
>>=0A>>>=0A>>One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe d
on't fly =0A>>>=0A>>often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few
years off. -If not =0A>>>=0A>>for the internet I wouldn't have known noth
ing about it and, like Paul, I =0A>>>=0A>>couldn't find anything on the FAA
site that addresses losing one's ticket =0A>>>=0A>>for failure to make the
change on time. -I suspect that the FAA would have=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>a fire
storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get =0A>>>=0A>>rec
ertified just because they were late. -Personally, I suspect that the =0A
>>>=0A>>rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out t
here.=0A>>>=0A>>Then again, just in case... -I sent mine off today. -:-
)=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>Deke Morisse=0A>>>=0A>>Mikado Michigan=0A>>>=0A>>S5/
Subaru/CAP 438+ TT=0A>>>=0A>>"If you put the federal government in charge o
f the Sahara=0A>>>=0A>>Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand.
"=0A>>>=0A>>-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)=0A
>>>=0A>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running o
lyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>I had a lady from the
FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and =0A>>>>=0A>>told me the s
ame thing. -She said she was going around and telling =0A>>>>=0A>>everyon
e she could find at the airports because as she understood it, =0A>>>>=0A>>
come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have
=0A>>>>=0A>>to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hou
rs you may=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>have already is null and void.=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>
>=0A>>I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a
few =0A>>>>=0A>>weeks!=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>--------=0A>>>>=0A>>DO NOT AR
CHIVE=0A>>>>=0A>>Leonard Perry aka SNAKE=0A>>>>=0A>>Soldotna AK=0A>>>>=0A>>
Avid "C" / Mk IV=0A>>>>=0A>>582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebu
ild)=0A>>>>=0A>>IVO IFA=0A>>>>=0A>>Full Lotus 1450=0A>>>>=0A>>#1 snake oil
salesman since 1-22-2009=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>I would rather die trying t
o live, than to live trying not to die....=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>
=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>Read this topic online here:=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>
>=0A>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180=0A>>>>=0A
>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>
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| Subject: | Re: New pilot certificates!- word from faa- okla |
Reccurrent Training Center ... _www.rtcpilot.com_
(http://www.rtcpilot.com)
Dave
In a message dated 1/12/2010 3:08:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jtayloraaf@yahoo.com writes:
rick et al, i got denied on line with an error code 218 & was referred by
baton rouge fsdo to okla city where andrew in the examiners' office said
essentially what u reported: no loss of certificates, hours etc; just can no
longer exercise ones certificated privileges after 31 mar 2010 without the
new plastic certificate in hand. in my case, the 218 code had to do with
date of issue (late 50s) when faa was using a "black code bkgrd?" vs a "blue
code" later. so i was instructed to use reg mail request, written, signed,
with name, date & place of birth, cert # & date, & $2 re-issue fee-- sent
73125. 4-6 wks turn around. hope this helps. john bowman, bldg avid+,
prairieville, la. p.s. what is RTC? tnx.
____________________________________
From: "aerobatics@aol.com" <aerobatics@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:56:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
Agrred we understand you dont lose a thing just cant fly until u get ur
plastic
In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
MDKitfox@aol.com writes:
Guys/Gals,
This information is from the AOPA:
Plastic certificates
On February 28 2008, the FAA released its _final rule_
(http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20081800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/E8-3827.
pdf) requiring pilots and airmen to switch from their paper pilot
certificates to the new counterfeit resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have
until March 31, 2010, and all other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to
convert their certificates in order to continue to exercise their privileges.
After the 2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted
will have to request and receive a new plastic certificates before
exercising their privileges.
There is no mention of retesting or flight checks, you won't be able to
exercise the privileges of the certificates if they are not of the plastic
variety. Only plastic certificates will be legal and you must have them in
your possession.
I'm still waiting for more information direct from the FAA, but this is
pretty clear.
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
<_matronics@bob.brennan.name_ (mailto:matronics@bob.brennan.name) >
Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us?
Thanks!
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
-----Original Message-----
From: _owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
(mailto:vr_baker@nvbell.net) >
Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear
this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat
buried,
looks like the ball got dropped on this one.
What about the EAA? Nothing from them either.....
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <_fox5flyer@idealwifi.net_
(mailto:fox5flyer@idealwifi.net) >
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
(mailto:fox5flyer@idealwifi.net) >
One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly
often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not
for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I
couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket
for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have
a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get
recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the
rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.
Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-)
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!
(mailto:akflyer_2000@yahoo.com) >
I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and
told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling
everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,
come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have
to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may
have already is null and void.
I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few
weeks!
--------
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
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| Subject: | Re: Milk more power from the 532? |
Tom, Thanks for the Rotax 670 add. I don't need one at the moment, but am
noting the shop offering it. It appears they specialize in Rotax.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
>
> 670 Rotax
>
> http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_394349_KING+KONG+670+ROTAX+DUAL+IGN..html
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> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
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was just what the bi.. uh.. lady with the FAA stickers on her car told me. I asked
her specifically.. however, that was months ago so at that time she was just
getting the word out about what was coming down the line.. the final rule
must have been different from what was originally kicked around..
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
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All,
I found this used and recommended on one of my yachting lists:
http://www.ethanolrx.com/
Anybody use it?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
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It looks oike it may help prevent phase separation but I doubt it will do
much for the problem with tanks, rubber etc.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: January 12, 2010 11:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Ethanol RX
All,
I found this used and recommended on one of my yachting lists:
http://www.ethanolrx.com/
Anybody use it?
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
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