---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/12/10: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:53 AM - Re: Milk more power from the 532? (dave) 2. 03:25 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 01/10/10 (Lynn Matteson) 3. 05:51 AM - Re: Milk more power from the 532? (Tom Jones) 4. 09:34 AM - Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (akflyer) 5. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (fox5flyer) 6. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Weiss Richard) 7. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Vic Baker) 8. 11:06 AM - Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Randy Daughenbaugh) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Bob Brennan) 10. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (aerobatics@aol.com) 11. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Weiss Richard) 12. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (aerobatics@aol.com) 13. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Vic Baker) 14. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (Bob Brennan) 15. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates!- word from faa- okla (john taylor) 16. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: New plastic pilot certificates!--word from faa in okla city... (john taylor) 17. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: New pilot certificates!- word from faa- okla (aerobatics@aol.com) 18. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Milk more power from the 532? (Patrick Reilly) 19. 06:47 PM - Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (akflyer) 20. 06:55 PM - Ethanol RX (Guy Buchanan) 21. 07:52 PM - Re: Ethanol RX (Noel Loveys) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:49 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Milk more power from the 532? From: "dave" Float Flyr wrote: > Will a Rotax box take that kind of horsepower? > > Noel > > -- sure , but use a c or E box -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281144#281144 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:32 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 01/10/10 My flight instructor has already warned me about trying to modify the vibrator for a frontal approach. I guess there are a lot of warped minds out there...besides my own. : ) What is a TKS system? Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 834.5 hrs Countdown to 1000 hrs~167 to go Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) do not archive On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:44 AM, Ed Gray wrote: > > Lynn, I really think you need a TKS system on that Fox. Maybe not, > since it > will carry "a ton of ice". One obvious mod you haven't thought of, > take the > vibrator motor from the Scholls back pad, install it in your shorts > and you > will discover a new dimension in flying pleasure! > > Ed Gray KII 582 b box now grounded while adding a mod seven > vertical tail & > rudder. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:53 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Milk more power from the 532? From: "Tom Jones" 670 Rotax http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_394349_KING+KONG+670+ROTAX+DUAL+IGN..html -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281156#281156 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:18 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! From: "akflyer" I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have already is null and void. I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few weeks! -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:40 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there. Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and > told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling > everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come > March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go > back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have > already is null and void. > > I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few > weeks! > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE > Soldotna AK > Avid "C" / Mk IV > 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) > IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1450 > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 > > I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:45 AM PST US From: Weiss Richard Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! Deke, A lot of fiction is floating around surrounding this topic. I thought it best to go to the source. I have a call in to FAA Headquarters and I hop e to have the facts soon. When I get them I'll be sure to post it for eve ryone. Rick Weiss N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS SkyStar S/N 1 Port Orange, FL On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:17 PM, fox5flyer wrote: > > One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's tick et for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there. > Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) > > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > >> >> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling everyo ne she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have alrea dy is null and void. >> >> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a fe w weeks! >> >> -------- >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE >> Soldotna AK >> Avid "C" / Mk IV >> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) >> IVO IFA >> Full Lotus 1450 >> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 >> >> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:31 AM PST US From: "Vic Baker" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buried, looks like the ball got dropped on this one. What about the EAA? Nothing from them either..... Vic Baker S7 912S Warp Carson City, Nv ----- Original Message ----- From: "fox5flyer" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly > often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not > for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I > couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket > for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have > a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get > recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the > rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there. > Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) > > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > >> >> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and >> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling >> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, >> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have >> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may >> have already is null and void. >> >> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few >> weeks! >> >> -------- >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE >> Soldotna AK >> Avid "C" / Mk IV >> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) >> IVO IFA >> Full Lotus 1450 >> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 >> >> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! From: Randy Daughenbaugh I find it hard to believe too, but it was someone who works for the FAA that told me that. I was also told not to throw away the paper cert because all the documentation refers back to it. Randy On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote: > paul@eucleides.com> > > On Mon, January 11, 2010 7:31 pm, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote: > > Don't forget to get your new pilot certificate before the end of March! > > Thanks for the reminder, Randy. > > > Your paper certificate will expire and as I understand it, if you want > to > > fly after that, you will have to take all the tests over for each rating > you > > have. > > My interpretation is that the "Paper Certificate" expires and that doesn't > mean your > ratings expire. In order to exercise your certification privileges you must > be in > possession of a valid certificate. I didn't find anything saying one would > lose your > ratings if you didn't get the new certificate by March 31. > > > > http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/ > > If you follow their instructions for reissuing your certificate without you > SSI > number, it is free. Otherwise they charge you $2 for a replacement. They > immediately > e-mailed my verification and said I would receive the new certificate > within two > weeks. > > What I found interesting is that they do not require having a current > medical to issue > the replacement certificate. > -- > Paul A. Franz > Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT > Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP > Bellevue WA > 425.241.1618 Cell > 425.440.9505 Office > > Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for. > -- Will Rogers > > I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. > -- Will Rogers > > "Did you ever know a politician that was not 'facing the most > critical time in the world's affairs' every time he spoke in public?" > -- humorist Will Rogers (1879-1935) > > "When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know > whether to answer 'present' or 'not guilty.'" > --President Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919) > > The problem ... is that we have run out of dinosaurs to form oil with. > Scientists working for the Department of Energy have tried to form oil > using > other animals; they've piled thousands of tons of sand and Middle Eastern > countries on top of cows, raccoons, haddock, laboratory rats, etc., but so > far all they have managed to do is run up an enormous bulldozer-rental bill > and anger a lot of Middle Eastern persons. None of the animals turned into > oil, although most of the laboratory rats developed cancer. > -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler" > > You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe that, > contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from houses. > Really, that's what scientists believe. In fact many scientists actually > use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer. If you visit a > scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire > roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on how > cool he is and drinking heavily. > -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler" > > _ > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:37 AM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us? Thanks! Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buried, looks like the ball got dropped on this one. What about the EAA? Nothing from them either..... Vic Baker S7 912S Warp Carson City, Nv ----- Original Message ----- From: "fox5flyer" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly > often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not > for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I > couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket > for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have > a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get > recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the > rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there. > Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) > > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > >> >> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and >> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling >> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, >> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have >> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may >> have already is null and void. >> >> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few >> weeks! >> >> -------- >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE >> Soldotna AK >> Avid "C" / Mk IV >> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) >> IVO IFA >> Full Lotus 1450 >> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 >> >> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:22 AM PST US From: aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! I am an instructor at RTC and we give a written notice to all customers regarding this... for the last 6 months or so.. Dave KF 2 582 In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:18:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, matronics@bob.brennan.name writes: --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan" Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us? Thanks! Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Vic Baker" Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buried, looks like the ball got dropped on this one. What about the EAA? Nothing from them either..... Vic Baker S7 912S Warp Carson City, Nv ----- Original Message ----- From: "fox5flyer" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly > often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not > for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I > couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket > for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have > a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get > recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the > rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there. > Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) > > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > >> >> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and >> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling >> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, >> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have >> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may >> have already is null and void. >> >> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few >> weeks! >> >> -------- >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE >> Soldotna AK >> Avid "C" / Mk IV >> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) >> IVO IFA >> Full Lotus 1450 >> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 >> >> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:21 AM PST US From: Weiss Richard Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! Guys/Gals, This information is from the AOPA: Plastic certificates On February 28 2008, the FAA released its final rule requiring pilots and airmen to switch from their paper pilot certificates to the new counterfe it resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have until March 31, 2010, and al l other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to convert their certificates in order to continue to exercise their privileges. After the 2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted will have to request and receive a new plastic certificates before exercising their privileges .. There is no mention of retesting or flight checks, you won't be able to exercise the privileges of the certificates if they are not of the plasti c variety. Only plastic certificates will be legal and you must have them in your possession. I'm still waiting for more information direct from the FAA, but this is pr etty clear. Rick Weiss N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS SkyStar S/N 1 Port Orange, FL On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Bob Brennan wrote: name> > > Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us? > > Thanks! > > Bob Brennan - N717GB > ELSA Repairman, inspection rated > 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger > Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop > Wrightsville Pa > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running ou t! > > > Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to he ar > this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buri ed, > looks like the ball got dropped on this one. > > What about the EAA? Nothing from them either..... > > > > Vic Baker > S7 912S Warp > Carson City, Nv > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fox5flyer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running ou t! > > > >> >> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly >> often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not >> for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I >> couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's tick et >> for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have > >> a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get >> recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that th e >> rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there .. >> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) >> >> Deke Morisse >> Mikado Michigan >> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT >> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara >> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." >> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! >> >> >>> >>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and >>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling >>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, >>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will ha ve >>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may > >>> have already is null and void. >>> >>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few >>> weeks! >>> >>> -------- >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE >>> Soldotna AK >>> Avid "C" / Mk IV >>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) >>> IVO IFA >>> Full Lotus 1450 >>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 >>> >>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:08 PM PST US From: aerobatics@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! Agrred we understand you dont lose a thing just cant fly until u get ur plastic In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, MDKitfox@aol.com writes: Guys/Gals, This information is from the AOPA: Plastic certificates On February 28 2008, the FAA released its _final rule_ (http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20081800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/E8-3827.p df) requiring pilots and airmen to switch from their paper pilot certificates to the new counterfeit resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have until March 31, 2010, and all other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to convert their certificates in order to continue to exercise their privileges. After the 2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted will have to request and receive a new plastic certificates before exercising their privileges. There is no mention of retesting or flight checks, you won't be able to exercise the privileges of the certificates if they are not of the plastic variety. Only plastic certificates will be legal and you must have them in your possession. I'm still waiting for more information direct from the FAA, but this is pretty clear. Rick Weiss N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS SkyStar S/N 1 Port Orange, FL On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Bob Brennan wrote: <_matronics@bob.brennan.name_ (mailto:matronics@bob.brennan.name) > Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us? Thanks! Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: _owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (mailto:vr_baker@nvbell.net) > Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buried, looks like the ball got dropped on this one. What about the EAA? Nothing from them either..... Vic Baker S7 912S Warp Carson City, Nv ----- Original Message ----- From: "fox5flyer" <_fox5flyer@idealwifi.net_ (mailto:fox5flyer@idealwifi.net) > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (mailto:fox5flyer@idealwifi.net) > One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there. Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (mailto:akflyer_2000@yahoo.com) > I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have already is null and void. I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few weeks! -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... Read this topic online here: _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitf========================p; ================================================nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site - Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! Will do: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/ Vic Baker S7 912S Warp Carson City, Nv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Brennan" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > > Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us? > > Thanks! > > Bob Brennan - N717GB > ELSA Repairman, inspection rated > 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger > Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop > Wrightsville Pa > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > > Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear > this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat > buried, > looks like the ball got dropped on this one. > > What about the EAA? Nothing from them either..... > > > Vic Baker > S7 912S Warp > Carson City, Nv > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fox5flyer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > >> >> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly >> often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not >> for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I >> couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket >> for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would >> have > >> a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get >> recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the >> rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there. >> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) >> >> Deke Morisse >> Mikado Michigan >> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT >> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara >> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." >> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! >> >> >>> >>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and >>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling >>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, >>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have >>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you >>> may > >>> have already is null and void. >>> >>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few >>> weeks! >>> >>> -------- >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE >>> Soldotna AK >>> Avid "C" / Mk IV >>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) >>> IVO IFA >>> Full Lotus 1450 >>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 >>> >>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:02 PM PST US From: "Bob Brennan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! So obviously this quote from below is just "snake oil"?? (said with a grin Leonard...) >>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and >>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling >>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, >>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have >>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you >>> may have already is null and void. Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! Will do: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper _certificates/ Vic Baker S7 912S Warp Carson City, Nv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Brennan" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > > Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us? > > Thanks! > > Bob Brennan - N717GB > ELSA Repairman, inspection rated > 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger > Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop > Wrightsville Pa > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > > Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear > this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat > buried, > looks like the ball got dropped on this one. > > What about the EAA? Nothing from them either..... > > > Vic Baker > S7 912S Warp > Carson City, Nv > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fox5flyer" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! > > >> >> One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly >> often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not >> for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I >> couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket >> for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would >> have > >> a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get >> recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the >> rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there. >> Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) >> >> Deke Morisse >> Mikado Michigan >> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT >> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara >> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." >> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! >> >> >>> >>> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and >>> told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling >>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, >>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have >>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you >>> may > >>> have already is null and void. >>> >>> I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few >>> weeks! >>> >>> -------- >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE >>> Soldotna AK >>> Avid "C" / Mk IV >>> 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) >>> IVO IFA >>> Full Lotus 1450 >>> #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 >>> >>> I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:03 PM PST US From: john taylor Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates!- word from faa- okla rick et al, i got denied on line with an error code 218 & was referred by b aton rouge fsdo to okla city where andrew in the examiners' office said ess entially what u reported: no loss of certificates, hours etc; just can no l onger exercise ones certificated privileges after 31 mar 2010 without the n ew plastic certificate in hand. in my case, the 218 code-had to do with d ate of issue (late 50s) when faa was using a "black code bkgrd?" vs a "blue code" later. so i was instructed to use reg mail request, written, signed, with name, date & place of- birth, cert # & date, & $2 re-issue fee-- se nt to: -faa airmen's cert branch, AFS-760, p.o. box 25082, okla city, ok, 73125. 4-6 wks turn around. hope this helps.- john bowman, bldg avid+, p rairieville, la.- p.s. what is RTC? tnx.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________ ______________=0AFrom: "aerobatics@aol.com" =0ATo: kitf ox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:56:47 PM=0ASubject: R e: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!=0A=0AAgrre d- we understand you dont lose a thing- just cant fly until u get ur pl astic=0A=0AIn a message dated 1/12/2010 1:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, MDKitfox@aol.com writes:=0AGuys/Gals, =0A>=0A>=0A>This information is from the AOPA:=0A>=0A>=0A>Plastic certificates=0A>On February 28 2008, the FAA released its-final rule-requiring pilots and airmen to switch from thei r paper pilot certificates to the new counterfeit resistant plastic certifi cate. Pilots have until March 31, 2010, and all other airmen have until Mar ch 31, 2013, to convert their certificates in order to continue to exercise their privileges. After the 2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted will have to request and receive a new plastic certific ates before exercising their privileges.=0A>=0A>=0A>There is no mention of retesting or flight checks, -you won't be able to exercise the privileges of the certificates if they are not of the plastic variety. -Only plasti c certificates will be legal and you must have them in your possession.=0A> =0A>=0A>I'm still waiting for more information direct from the FAA, but thi s is pretty clear.=0A>=0A>=0A>Rick Weiss=0A>N39RW Series V Speedster, 912UL S=0A>SkyStar S/N 1=0A>Port Orange, FL=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jan 12, 2010, a b Brennan" =0A>>=0A>>Vic - could you please pos t that link for the rest of us? =0A>>=0A>>Thanks!=0A>>=0A>>Bob Brennan - N7 17GB=0A>>ELSA Repairman, inspection rated=0A>>1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox t aildragger=0A>>Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop=0A>>Wrightsville Pa=0A>>=0A> >-----Original Message-----=0A>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.co m=0A>>[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Bake r=0A>>Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM=0A>>To: kitfox-list@matronics .com=0A>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is runn nvbell.net>=0A>>=0A>>Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm al so surprised to hear =0A>>this. -I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buried, =0A>>looks like the ball got dropped on this o ne.=0A>>=0A>>What about the EAA? -Nothing from them either.....=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>Vic Baker=0A>>S7 912S Warp=0A>>Carson City, Nv=0A>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: "fox5flyer" =0A>>To: =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM=0A>>S ubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! er@idealwifi.net>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly =0A>>>=0A>>often, ie flying farmers or t hose who have taken a few years off. -If not =0A>>>=0A>>for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I =0A>>>=0A>>couldn' t find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket =0A>>> =0A>>for failure to make the change on time. -I suspect that the FAA woul d have=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of peop le had to get =0A>>>=0A>>recertified just because they were late. -Person ally, I suspect that the =0A>>>=0A>>rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.=0A>>>=0A>>Then again, just in case... - I sent mine off today. -:-)=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>Deke Morisse=0A>>>=0A>>M ikado Michigan=0A>>>=0A>>S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT=0A>>>=0A>>"If you put the fe deral government in charge of the Sahara=0A>>>=0A>>Desert, in five years th ere'd be a shortage of sand."=0A>>>=0A>>-- Nobel prize-winning economist Mi lton Friedman (1912-2006)=0A>>>=0A>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot cer tificates! Time is running out!=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>--> Kitfox- List message posted by: "akflyer" =0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>> >>=0A>>I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall a nd =0A>>>>=0A>>told me the same thing. -She said she was going around and telling =0A>>>>=0A>>everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, =0A>>>>=0A>>come March or April if you don't have the new c ertificate, you will have =0A>>>>=0A>>to go back for check rides etc, and t he 10s of thousands of hours you may=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>have already is null a nd void.=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few =0A>>>>=0A>>weeks!=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>--- -----=0A>>>>=0A>>DO NOT ARCHIVE=0A>>>>=0A>>Leonard Perry aka SNAKE=0A>>>> =0A>>Soldotna AK=0A>>>>=0A>>Avid "C" / Mk IV=0A>>>>=0A>>582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)=0A>>>>=0A>>IVO IFA=0A>>>>=0A>>Full Lotus 1 450=0A>>>>=0A>>#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A> >I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....=0A>> >>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>Read this topic onli ne here:=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =281180#281180=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A> >=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>> =0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Kitf================== ======p;------------====== =================nbsp;------- List Contribution Web Site -=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent : Tue, January 12, 2010 1:56:47 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilo t certificates! Time is running out!=0A=0AAgrred- we understand you dont lose a thing- just cant fly until u get ur plastic=0A=0AIn a message date d 1/12/2010 1:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, MDKitfox@aol.com writes:=0A Guys/Gals, =0A>=0A>=0A>This information is from the AOPA:=0A>=0A>=0A>Plasti c certificates=0A>On February 28 2008, the FAA released its-final rule- requiring pilots and airmen to switch from their paper pilot certificates t o the new counterfeit resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have until Marc h 31, 2010, and all other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to convert thei r certificates in order to continue to exercise their privileges. After the 2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted will hav e to request and receive a new plastic certificates before exercising their privileges.=0A>=0A>=0A>There is no mention of retesting or flight checks, -you won't be able to exercise the privileges of the certificates if they are not of the plastic variety. -Only plastic certificates will be legal and you must have them in your possession.=0A>=0A>=0A>I'm still waiting fo r more information direct from the FAA, but this is pretty clear.=0A>=0A> =0A>Rick Weiss=0A>N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS=0A>SkyStar S/N 1=0A>Port Orange, FL=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Bob Brennan wro brennan.name>=0A>>=0A>>Vic - could you please post that link for the rest o f us? =0A>>=0A>>Thanks!=0A>>=0A>>Bob Brennan - N717GB=0A>>ELSA Repairman, i nspection rated=0A>>1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger=0A>>Rotax 582 w ith 3 blade GSC prop=0A>>Wrightsville Pa=0A>>=0A>>-----Original Message---- -=0A>>From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A>>[mailto:owner-kitfox -list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker=0A>>Sent: Tuesday, Janua ry 12, 2010 1:54 PM=0A>>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0A>>Subject: Re: Kitf ox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!=0A>>=0A>>--> Kitf ox-List message posted by: "Vic Baker" =0A>>=0A>>Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear =0A>> this. -I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat burie d, =0A>>looks like the ball got dropped on this one.=0A>>=0A>>What about th e EAA? -Nothing from them either.....=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Vic Baker=0A>>S7 912S Warp=0A>>Carson City, Nv=0A>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: "fox5flyer" =0A>>To: =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM=0A>>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>--> Ki tfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" =0A>>>=0A >>=0A>>>=0A>>One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe d on't fly =0A>>>=0A>>often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. -If not =0A>>>=0A>>for the internet I wouldn't have known noth ing about it and, like Paul, I =0A>>>=0A>>couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket =0A>>>=0A>>for failure to make the change on time. -I suspect that the FAA would have=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get =0A>>>=0A>>rec ertified just because they were late. -Personally, I suspect that the =0A >>>=0A>>rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out t here.=0A>>>=0A>>Then again, just in case... -I sent mine off today. -:- )=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>Deke Morisse=0A>>>=0A>>Mikado Michigan=0A>>>=0A>>S5/ Subaru/CAP 438+ TT=0A>>>=0A>>"If you put the federal government in charge o f the Sahara=0A>>>=0A>>Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand. "=0A>>>=0A>>-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)=0A >>>=0A>>Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running o lyer" =0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and =0A>>>>=0A>>told me the s ame thing. -She said she was going around and telling =0A>>>>=0A>>everyon e she could find at the airports because as she understood it, =0A>>>>=0A>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have =0A>>>>=0A>>to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hou rs you may=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>have already is null and void.=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >=0A>>I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few =0A>>>>=0A>>weeks!=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>--------=0A>>>>=0A>>DO NOT AR CHIVE=0A>>>>=0A>>Leonard Perry aka SNAKE=0A>>>>=0A>>Soldotna AK=0A>>>>=0A>> Avid "C" / Mk IV=0A>>>>=0A>>582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebu ild)=0A>>>>=0A>>IVO IFA=0A>>>>=0A>>Full Lotus 1450=0A>>>>=0A>>#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>I would rather die trying t o live, than to live trying not to die....=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>> =0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>Read this topic online here:=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>> >=0A>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180=0A>>>>=0A >>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>> =0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>> >=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitf== ======================p;-- ----------=============== ========nbsp;------- List Contribution Web Site - Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 1:56:47 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! Agrred we understand you dont lose a thing just cant fly until u get ur plastic In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, MDKitfox@aol.com writes: Guys/Gals, This information is from the AOPA: Plastic certificates On February 28 2008, the FAA released its _final rule_ (http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20081800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/pdf/E8-3827. pdf) requiring pilots and airmen to switch from their paper pilot certificates to the new counterfeit resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have until March 31, 2010, and all other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to convert their certificates in order to continue to exercise their privileges. After the 2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted will have to request and receive a new plastic certificates before exercising their privileges. There is no mention of retesting or flight checks, you won't be able to exercise the privileges of the certificates if they are not of the plastic variety. Only plastic certificates will be legal and you must have them in your possession. I'm still waiting for more information direct from the FAA, but this is pretty clear. Rick Weiss N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS SkyStar S/N 1 Port Orange, FL On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Bob Brennan wrote: <_matronics@bob.brennan.name_ (mailto:matronics@bob.brennan.name) > Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us? Thanks! Bob Brennan - N717GB ELSA Repairman, inspection rated 1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop Wrightsville Pa -----Original Message----- From: _owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (mailto:vr_baker@nvbell.net) > Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear this. I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buried, looks like the ball got dropped on this one. What about the EAA? Nothing from them either..... Vic Baker S7 912S Warp Carson City, Nv ----- Original Message ----- From: "fox5flyer" <_fox5flyer@idealwifi.net_ (mailto:fox5flyer@idealwifi.net) > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (mailto:fox5flyer@idealwifi.net) > One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off. If not for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket for failure to make the change on time. I suspect that the FAA would have a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get recertified just because they were late. Personally, I suspect that the rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there. Then again, just in case... I sent mine off today. :-) Deke Morisse Mikado Michigan S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out! (mailto:akflyer_2000@yahoo.com) > I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and told me the same thing. She said she was going around and telling everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have already is null and void. I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few weeks! -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281180#281180 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitf========================p; ================================================nbsp; - List Contribution Web Site - was just what the bi.. uh.. lady with the FAA stickers on her car told me. I asked her specifically.. however, that was months ago so at that time she was just getting the word out about what was coming down the line.. the final rule must have been different from what was originally kicked around.. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281227#281227 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:57 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: Ethanol RX All, I found this used and recommended on one of my yachting lists: http://www.ethanolrx.com/ Anybody use it? Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:10 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Ethanol RX It looks oike it may help prevent phase separation but I doubt it will do much for the problem with tanks, rubber etc. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: January 12, 2010 11:18 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Ethanol RX All, I found this used and recommended on one of my yachting lists: http://www.ethanolrx.com/ Anybody use it? 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