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1. 12:51 AM - How to get off list??? (David Dawe)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: How to get off list??? (Paul Franz)
3. 04:49 AM - Kitfox Skis (dave)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Static Ports (WurlyBird)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: Kiev Prop (FlyboyTR)
6. 09:01 AM - Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge (catz631@aol.com)
7. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: Kiev Prop (W Duke)
8. 09:17 AM - Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (FlyboyTR)
9. 09:23 AM - Re: Kiev Prop (FlyboyTR)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge (akflyer)
11. 01:02 PM - Re: Ethanol RXEthanol (Noel Loveys)
12. 01:03 PM - Re: Static Ports (Patrick Reilly)
13. 02:59 PM - Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (jimcarriere)
14. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Lynn Matteson)
15. 03:17 PM - Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (FlyboyTR)
16. 03:19 PM - Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (FlyboyTR)
17. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Don Hudgeon)
18. 04:22 PM - Re: Static Ports (dave)
19. 05:01 PM - Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Tom Jones)
20. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Don Hudgeon)
21. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? (Lynn Matteson)
22. 08:38 PM - Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
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| Subject: | How to get off list??? |
details please
From: emaproducts@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Static Ports
Static ports
I have a KitFox drawing showing correct location for the Static port on the
KitFox=2C don't remember just what version it is=2C but if person wanting
info will write=2C I will dig it out!
If you don't have the static correct your airspeed can be up to 10 mph off
=2C had one customer whose airspeed wouldn't get below 80 mph=2C finally fo
und just a slight oil can in front of the static port causing a low pressur
e area over the area of the static port. This was on a Zenith 601 about 10
years ago. plane has over 600 hours on it now=2C still flying great.
Elbie Mendenhall EM Aviation=2CLLC
www.riteangle.com
Time: 09:23:50 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Airspeed Indicator reading low=2C
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
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| Subject: | Re: How to get off list??? |
On Sun, January 17, 2010 12:18 am, David Dawe wrote:
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> details please
scroll down this e-mail. instructions are posted at the bottom of every list mail
sent.
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
Interested. I have actually drilled out some large machine screws and made vanes
and purchased all the plumbing, I just never installed the darn things. My
ASI seems pretty accurate at speeds below 60 but at 80 mph it indicates 95 [Shocked]
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Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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Dick,
I'm not sure if it's relevant or not...but as an FYI. One of the guys at our airport
flys a Thundergull with a HKS engine and Kiev prop. He developed a vibration
but was never able to find the problem. Two weeks ago while he had the
prop and prop-spacer off, I was looking at his parts and noticed the prop-spacer
had a large diagonal crack in it. It went almost all the way through the
spacer. You could actually pull on each side and make the crack larger...wasn't
much left holding it together!
Kiev is shipping him a new spacer from Germany (I believe).
Hope all is well! My Vixen is back together and should be ready to fly again this
week.
Travis :D
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge |
Well, I have had it with this unit. The transducer has failed again and it
is less than 2 months old and less than 8 hrs ! My first one lasted almost
a year. This unit is coming out of my panel and a plug installed in its
place until I find something nice to put in that hole.
I removed the transducer to see what the problem was. The impeller is
stuck and I could not get it to move with compressed air or Kroil. I had thought
seriously of the the method of getting my prior transducer to turn (a 5
LB sledge hammer) but decided otherwise.
In any case, this piece of c--p is free to anyone that wants it, just pay
shipping to my PayPal account.
Yes, I did install it correctly in the vertical position, right above my
gascolator on the firewall. It was a beautiful installation. Anyone know of
a nice instrument of about the same size (2 inch) that gives OAT, flight
time,etc. I would then be able to remove some unsightly stuff I have stuck to
my panel.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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Travis,
- What did you decide to do about your alternator/coupler.- So far the
lighter B and C alternator- I installed is working fine.
Maxwell Duke
=0AKitfox S6/TD/IO240
=0AMaule M7 235C For Sale
=0ADublin, GA
--- On Sun, 1/17/10, FlyboyTR <flyboytr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: FlyboyTR <flyboytr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kiev Prop
Dick,
I'm not sure if it's relevant or not...but as an FYI.- One of the guys at
our airport flys a Thundergull with a HKS engine and Kiev prop.- He deve
loped a vibration but was never able to find the problem.- Two weeks ago
while he had the prop and prop-spacer off, I was looking at his parts and n
oticed the prop-spacer had a large diagonal crack in it.- It went almost
all the way through the spacer.- You could actually pull on each side and
make the crack larger...wasn't much left holding it together!
Kiev is shipping him a new spacer from Germany (I believe).
Hope all is well!- My Vixen is back together and should be ready to fly a
gain this week.
Travis---:D
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240,- Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
OK. I ended up using Corrosion-X. After pulling the builders log to determine
how the flaperons are constructed...I realized there were foam ribs every 12
inches and apparently sealed to the point that nothing would flow from section
to section.
I drilled a 1/8" hole in each cavity on the bottom of the flaperon. I then sprayed
Corrosion-X into each cavity and closed the hole with an aluminum rivet.
At least I know most surfaces should be covered.
Travis :D
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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I installed a rebuilt coupler. At max capacity I'm running 37 amps. So my stock
60 amp alternator really isn't working all that hard. Couldn't see purchasing
a different alternator and it still requires the use of the poorly designed
and expensive Continental coupling.
I am, however, glad that your new B&C alternator is working out! :D Take care!...
Mike,...sorry for hijacking your prop thread! [Embarassed]
Travis :D
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Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge |
I wonder if you are getting it hot if it is on the front side of the firewall?
Or gunk out of the tank getting into it? Do you have the filter just before
the transducer?
Just wondering cause I have several of them installed on my stuff and have never
had a glitch, but mine is behind the seat in the plane just under the header
tank.
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Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
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| Subject: | Ethanol RXEthanol |
Any natural rubber in your system will be susceptible to being eaten by
ethanol. I think it is butyrate rubbers that are totally impervious to
it's effects. Unfortunately I know of no butyrate that can be sloshed in a
tank and give 100% protection. The slightest crack in the sloshed covering
can lead to separation of the sloshing compound inside your tanks... another
real mess.
If you have a gascolator properly installed that is the best place to drain
the tanks. Flight planning should leave you with a couple of gallons of
fuel when you get back to the hangar.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of catz631@aol.com
Sent: January 14, 2010 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Ethanol RXEthanol
As many of you know, I have a British car hobby and own a couple of them.
Ethanol is a major problem for stored older cars. It does bad things to
tanks, fuel pumps, hoses,etc . As a result, many articles have come out on
how to deal with this stuff,including products to help stabilize it before
it goes into phase separation.
I read an excellent article called "The Ethanol Issue" in my British
Motoring magazine. At the end of the article it said to check out the Moss
tech video on Dealing With Ethanol atmossmotors.com. I was not able to
locate the video on the web site but did find an excellent article there
about ethanol under "products."It pretty well summarizes the effects of
ethanol, fuel life prior to phase seperation,and of course their recommended
products to combat it. Well worth reading.
I, like Lowell, have my doubts about this "snake oil" but am willing to try
it. Rotax does recommend a stabilizer in the fuel (at least the school did)
I have some different products that claim to help keep the water/alcohol in
solution and will probably run an unscientific test on them to see if in
fact the stuff works. I did that with POR 15 paint vs Eastwood rust
block,Ospho,etc in the past.
The bottom line for me is that I really don't want to drain the fuel out of
my tanks after I fly it. This is a major pain in the b--tt! I will of
course, if I have too.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
What about just venting directly out of instrument to cabin pressure. I
can't believe the pressure inside a KF is much different than outside. I
know you would get different readings with doors open vs closed, but how
much.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, OL
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:38 PM, <emaproducts@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Static ports
> I have a KitFox drawing showing correct location for the Static port on
> the KitFox, don't remember just what version it is, but if person wanting
> info will write, I will dig it out!
>
> If you don't have the static correct your airspeed can be up to 10 mph off,
> had one customer whose airspeed wouldn't get below 80 mph, finally found
> just a slight oil can in front of the static port causing a low pressure
> area over the area of the static port. This was on a Zenith 601 about 10
> years ago. plane has over 600 hours on it now, still flying great.
> Elbie Mendenhall EM Aviation,LLC
> www.riteangle.com
>
> Time: 09:23:50 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Airspeed Indicator reading low,
> From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
>
>
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>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
[quote="FlyboyTR"]
I drilled a 1/8" hole in each cavity on the bottom of the flaperon. I then sprayed
Corrosion-X into each cavity and closed the hole with an aluminum rivet.
At least I know that most of the internal surfaces have some type of protection.
[/quote]
The build manual actually calls for almost exactly that- drilling 1/8" drain holes
in the bottom surface of the flaperons right at the trailing edge, one for
each "bay" that has a hinge/attachment, but not for every bay.
Then again this might not have been in all versions of the build manual, or maybe
your original builder didn't do it, or maybe the holes are specified as optional?
(Got my manual around here...somewhere...)
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Kitfox Series 7 in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
I hope you still have a hole in each cavity to allow condensation to
escape.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 839.2 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~162 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Jan 17, 2010, at 12:15 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> OK. I ended up using Corrosion-X. After pulling the builders log
> to determine how the flaperons are constructed...I realized there
> were foam ribs every 12 inches and apparently sealed to the point
> that nothing would flow from section to section.
>
> I drilled a 1/8" hole in each cavity on the bottom of the
> flaperon. I then sprayed Corrosion-X into each cavity and closed
> the hole with an aluminum rivet. At least I know most surfaces
> should be covered.
>
> Travis :D
>
> --------
> Travis Rayner
> Mobile, AL
> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
> ADI-II Autopilot
> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281927#281927
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
Jim,
Thanks for the input. There were drain holes in each bay associated with a hinge.
Those were easy to work with! :D I think I had to drill 7 or 8 additional
holes in each aileron.
Where are you located in NW Florida?
Travis :)
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
ADI-II Autopilot
AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
Lynn,
No I don't. The only drain holes are the ones associated with the cavities that
have the hinges. Should each individual chamber have a drain?
Travis :D
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Travis Rayner
Mobile, AL
Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
G`day All
Could anyone tell me if they have drain holes near the trailing edge of
their wings? I have a Model 5 Vixen and there are no drains. I could not
find reference to them in the builders manual. Friends with Cubs and TC`s
are telling me to put in drains. The aircraft is stored either in garage or
hanger. Any recommendations?
Thanks
Don
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 3:19 PM, FlyboyTR <flyboytr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> No I don't. The only drain holes are the ones associated with the cavities
> that have the hinges. Should each individual chamber have a drain?
>
> Travis :D
>
> --------
> Travis Rayner
> Mobile, AL
> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
> ADI-II Autopilot
> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281980#281980
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
Pat -- this i why they read wrong................
you need a static port where the pressure really is static.
Read my post on how to check
[quote="Pat Reilly"]What about just venting directly out of instrument to cabin
pressure. I can't believe the pressure inside a KF is much different than outside.
I know you would get different readings with doors open vs closed, but how
much.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, OL
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:38 PM, wrote:
>
> Static ports
> I have a KitFox drawing showing correct location for the Static port on the
KitFox, don't remember just what version it is, but if person wanting info will
write, Iwill dig it out!
>
> If you don't have the static correct your airspeed can be up to 10 mph off,
had one customer whose airspeed wouldn't get below 80 mph, finally found just
a slight oil can in front of the static port causing a low pressure area over
the area of the static port. This was on a Zenith 601 about 10 years ago.plane
has over 600 hours on it now, still flying great.
> Elbie Mendenhall EM Aviation,LLC
> www.riteangle.com (http://www.riteangle.com/)
>
> > Time: 09:23:50 AM PST US
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Airspeed Indicator reading low,
> > From: "dave"
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
> > ttp://forums.matronics.com
> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
> G`day All
>
> Could anyone tell me if they have drain holes near the trailing edge of their
wings? I have a Model 5 Vixen and there are no drains. I could not find reference
to them in the builders manual. Friends with Cubs and TC`s are telling me
to put in drains. The aircraft is stored either in garage or hanger. Any recommendations?
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
Don, Wing drainage is mentioned in the wing trailing edge installation part of
the manual.
"Cut the notch (in the trailing edge) for the cap strip 1/8" wider on the outboard
side of each rib to provide a drain opening for the area behind the lip".
This lip mentioned is on the bottom of the trailing edge and points up.
After covering and painting you burn a 1/8" hole in the fabric there with a needle
nose soldering iron.
If your trailing edges have this done you should be able to feel the notch under
the fabric at the forward edge of the wing trailing edge on the outboard edge
of each rib.
If the notch is not there the trailing edge "Lip" mentioned above will catch water
draining back. In this case I would burn a drain hole right in front of the
trailing edge and drill a hole in the trailing edge right behind that one to
drain any water caught behind that "Lip".
Some day sooner or later you will probably get caught out in the rain.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
Thanks Tom, I am overseas right now but will double check this when I get
home. I have just imported this aircraft from CA to BC Canada ( I live about
250miles straight north of you).I hope to get it ready for Canadian
certification in the spring. Have to add carb heat, gascolator, etc. to meet
our standards.Sure would like someone with a bunch of hours "Kitfoxing" to
remove a few years of RUST from an old PP.Any takers out there. BC is great
in the spring!!
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
>
>
> > G`day All
> >
> > Could anyone tell me if they have drain holes near the trailing edge of
> their wings? I have a Model 5 Vixen and there are no drains. I could not
> find reference to them in the builders manual. Friends with Cubs and TC`s
> are telling me to put in drains. The aircraft is stored either in garage or
> hanger. Any recommendations?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Don
>
>
> Don, Wing drainage is mentioned in the wing trailing edge installation part
> of the manual.
>
> "Cut the notch (in the trailing edge) for the cap strip 1/8" wider on the
> outboard side of each rib to provide a drain opening for the area behind the
> lip". This lip mentioned is on the bottom of the trailing edge and points
> up.
>
> After covering and painting you burn a 1/8" hole in the fabric there with a
> needle nose soldering iron.
>
> If your trailing edges have this done you should be able to feel the notch
> under the fabric at the forward edge of the wing trailing edge on the
> outboard edge of each rib.
>
> If the notch is not there the trailing edge "Lip" mentioned above will
> catch water draining back. In this case I would burn a drain hole right in
> front of the trailing edge and drill a hole in the trailing edge right
> behind that one to drain any water caught behind that "Lip".
>
> Some day sooner or later you will probably get caught out in the rain.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281992#281992
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corrosion Protection for Flaperons? |
I just looked it up, Travis, and I was wrong....they say a 3/16" hole
"in the bottom skin aft of each hinge, about 3/4" ahead of the
trailing edge for a moisture drain hole." I think I was thinking of
the drain holes in the wing fabric. So the manual must not think
that's there's an appreciable amount of moisture collecting inside
the individual bays of the flaperon. Or they have a channel that
would allow for the flow of moisture between the bays/cavities.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 839.2 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~162 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:19 PM, FlyboyTR wrote:
>
> Lynn,
> No I don't. The only drain holes are the ones associated with the
> cavities that have the hinges. Should each individual chamber have
> a drain?
>
> Travis :D
>
> --------
> Travis Rayner
> Mobile, AL
> Skystar Vixen, N-789DF
> Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop
> ADI-II Autopilot
> AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281980#281980
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge |
On Sun, January 17, 2010 12:13 pm, akflyer wrote:
>
> I wonder if you are getting it hot if it is on the front side of the firewall?
Or
> gunk out of the tank getting into it? Do you have the filter just before the
> transducer?
>
> Just wondering cause I have several of them installed on my stuff and have never
had a
> glitch, but mine is behind the seat in the plane just under the header tank.
Lenny - Thanks for this thoughtful contribution. You've definitely come up with
a
plausible explanation. After Dick Maddux said:
"Well, I have had it with this unit. The transducer has failed again and it is
less
than 2 months old and less than 8 hrs ! My first one lasted almost a year. This
unit
is coming out of my panel and a plug installed in its place until I find something
nice to put in that hole.
I removed the transducer to see what the problem was. The impeller is stuck and
I
could not get it to move with compressed air or Kroil. I had thought seriously
of the
the method of getting my prior transducer to turn (a 5 LB sledge hammer) ...."
I made a mental note that I guess I won't be using one of those Northstar units
but
now I think you're on to something. It can't be so bad that it has 100% failure
rate.
It must be failing due to some configuration or usage problem. Hopefully Dick will
do
a little more experimenting before pronouncing the product dead and useless.
--
Paul A. Franz
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Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
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