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Fri 01/22/10


Total Messages Posted: 8



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     1. 05:13 AM - Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge (catz631@aol.com)
     2. 12:37 PM - Re: Kitfox = Fun factor (akflyer)
     3. 12:45 PM -  (larry copas)
     4. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor (Lynn Matteson)
     5. 02:11 PM - Re: Drain Holes in Wings (Patrick Reilly)
     6. 03:27 PM - Re: Kitfox = Fun factor (akflyer)
     7. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor (Marco Menezes)
     8. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor (Lynn Matteson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:13:26 AM PST US
    From: catz631@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Northstar F210 Fuel flow gauge
    Dick, I just in from flying , before I took off I saw something under the dash that look askew. Was the plug from the Navman hanging there LOL plugged it back together went flying............. it works LoL I guess you never did jinx it. AAhhh Rats ! I guess it's just me that had the failures. Glad you got her running again ! Dick


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    Time: 12:37:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    Just wondering on the ski design... why did you go with just cross bars like a ladder instead of diagonals? you hit a good ice ridge or hard snow machine track in deep snow and they will fold quicker than you can say oh Sh%t. There is a very valid reason that tubular structures use diagonals and not hard right angles. Not saying your skis don't work, but if you are trying to sell them, I would get the engineering done right before someone buys a plane ticket to come insert a folded ski in a place you don't want it... You may consider going bigger for areas that get alot of snow. I landed up in the mountains Wednesday in an area that had gotten almost 4' of fresh powder overnight. It was dicey getting out with my floats on, and I know damn good and well if I would have had my skis on I would still be trying to pack down a runway with snowshoes.. and my skis are 12" X 59". Shorter ski's may be OK for areas that don't get much snow, but alot of people would benefit from a larger ski. What do the ski's weigh (mains and tail)? -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282952#282952


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    Time: 12:45:26 PM PST US
    From: larry copas <lbcopas@yahoo.com>


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    Time: 01:42:25 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor
    BINGO! I've been biting my tongue wondering when someone would comment on the lack of a diagonal brace...that is if you're talking about the ones that I'm thinking about. : ) I built a design without a forward diagonal brace, and when I clipped a snowbank and the tips of the skis hit, they looked like fairy slippers. I straightened the bends, added a forward/diagonal brace, and flew for several hours more before retiring them in lieu of a heavier tube, and better design. It's all about the design, not the thickness and size of the tube. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) On Jan 22, 2010, at 3:36 PM, akflyer wrote: > > Just wondering on the ski design... why did you go with just cross > bars like a ladder instead of diagonals? you hit a good ice ridge > or hard snow machine track in deep snow and they will fold quicker > than you can say oh Sh%t. There is a very valid reason that > tubular structures use diagonals and not hard right angles. Not > saying your skis don't work, but if you are trying to sell them, I > would get the engineering done right before someone buys a plane > ticket to come insert a folded ski in a place you don't want it... > > You may consider going bigger for areas that get alot of snow. I > landed up in the mountains Wednesday in an area that had gotten > almost 4' of fresh powder overnight. It was dicey getting out with > my floats on, and I know damn good and well if I would have had my > skis on I would still be trying to pack down a runway with > snowshoes.. and my skis are 12" X 59". Shorter ski's may be OK for > areas that don't get much snow, but alot of people would benefit > from a larger ski. > > What do the ski's weigh (mains and tail)? > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE > Soldotna AK > Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV > 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) > IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1450 > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 > > I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282952#282952 > >


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    Time: 02:11:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Drain Holes in Wings
    From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
    Marco isn't replying or maybe he didn't read the post. do not archive Pat Reilly On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote: > Your remark reminded me of when my father, a doctor, started his flying > lessons. He stole an hour one afternoon to go flying... on the way to t he > airport his car started to drift across to the left side of the road and > while thinking about the flying he started applying =93right rudder=94. He was > at almost full right rudder when he hit the back of a garbage truck. I > guess it=92s like father love son... Several times on nice days when I g et to > a straight stretch of open road I find myself pulling back on the wheel.. . > J > > > Noel > > > *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Reilly > *Sent:* January 21, 2010 2:30 PM > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings > > > Lynn, My father had an old flight instructor that actually refused to giv e > flying lessons to lawyers and doctors because he had a couple of them as > students and they already knew everything. I didn't know Marco was a lawy er. > Gee, he seems like a nice enough guy? Maybe he is a patent lawyer or > something. What kind of a lawyer are you Marco? > > do not archive > > Pat Reilly > > Mod 3 582 Rebuild > > Rockford, IL > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> > wrote: > > > Good point, Lynn. Hadn't thought of it that way. > How's the new intake manifold working for you? > Deke Morisse > Mikado Michigan > S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT > "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara > Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand." > -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006) > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net> > To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Drain Holes in Wings > > > Thinking like a (dreaded) lawyer here, maybe the reason for the lack of > holes in the flaperon is that as delivered, this is now an "incomplete > task", and when the homebuilder completes the task of drilling the holes > per the instructions...if there are any...he or she has now completed th e > task of "building" the flaperon, and can now honestly(?) say that they w ere > the one who completed that task, on the road to the 51% rule. Remember t hat > the 51% rule only compares tasks, not magnitude of tasks....a fuselage > welded and painted from the factory equals a rudder pedal bracket built at > home in the eyes of the governing body. At least it did when I built my > plane........God I hate lawyers! Not you Marco....: ) > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs > Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > Rotec TBI-40 injection > Status: flying (and learning) > > > On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Zimmermans wrote: > > My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole 3/4 of an in ch > in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My factory assembled > flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on putting them in. > Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN. > > > s.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > >


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    Time: 03:27:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor
    From: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com>
    I spent a couple days biting my tongue... but as hard as Dave is pushing these, I just had to toss in my .02 yeppers, I am certain we are talking about the same thing... look at crane booms, oh... and even airplane fuses LOL.. hmm. Nascar frames, dragster frames.. I am thinking you get the idea where I am going with this. No engineer in his right mind would come up with this (Look at the original Avid ski design). It is all about triangles to make tubing strong, not squares. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282981#282981


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    Time: 05:28:32 PM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor
    Lynn, since you don't want to get into manufacturing but have a great desig n, why don't you and Dave get together and give the rest of us some decent skis at a fair price? I'm just saying . . . :-) - Then again, I wouldn't want to deal with that a--hole either. - Marco --- On Fri, 1/22/10, akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> wrote: From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor I spent a couple days biting my tongue... but as hard as Dave is pushing th ese, I just had to toss in my .02- yeppers, I am certain we are talking about the same thing... look at crane booms, oh... and even airplane fuses LOL.. hmm. Nascar frames, dragster fra mes.. I am thinking you get the idea where I am going with this.- No engi neer in his right mind would come up with this (Look at the original Avid s ki design).- It is all about triangles to make tubing strong, not squares . -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282981#282981 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 06:46:19 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor
    Another BINGO, Marco....: ) As to "my design"....I'm just pretty skilled at looking at pictures and copying same in tube and plastic....for my eyes only, I'm afraid. That way I don't get those visits from lawy....oops..... Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) do not archive On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Marco Menezes wrote: > Lynn, since you don't want to get into manufacturing but have a > great design, why don't you and Dave get together and give the rest > of us some decent skis at a fair price? I'm just saying . . . :-) > > Then again, I wouldn't want to deal with that a--hole either. > > Marco > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: akflyer <akflyer_2000@yahoo.com> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox = Fun factor > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:26 PM > > > I spent a couple days biting my tongue... but as hard as Dave is > pushing these, I just had to toss in my .02 > > yeppers, I am certain we are talking about the same thing... look > at crane booms, oh... and even airplane fuses LOL.. hmm. Nascar > frames, dragster frames.. I am thinking you get the idea where I am > going with this. No engineer in his right mind would come up with > this (Look at the original Avid ski design). It is all about > triangles to make tubing strong, not squares. > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > Leonard Perry aka SNAKE > Soldotna AK > Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV > 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) > IVO IFA > Full Lotus 1450 > #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 > > I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282981#282981 > > > p; --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfbsp; A > href="http://forums.matronics.com/" rel=nofollow > target=_blank>http======================= > > > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > ===========================================================




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