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1. 08:50 AM - Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question (moosepileit)
2. 10:20 AM - Re: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question (Bob Brennan)
3. 10:29 AM - 912 Series Rotax engines go to 2000 hours TBO Check it out (Clint Bazzill)
4. 11:01 AM - Re: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question (John W. Hart)
5. 11:24 AM - Re: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question (Bob Brennan)
6. 12:22 PM - Re: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
7. 03:16 PM - Re: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question (moosepileit)
8. 08:40 PM - Flying on Snow with Wheels (WurlyBird)
9. 09:46 PM - Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question |
List,
There is an Avid 2005 cert'd Heavy Hauler on Barnstormers. The engine is a Jab
2200 of unknown S/N and S/B compliance w/ 125 hours. The cruise at 4GPH is only
65 MPH, looks like a 2 blade warp drive prop.
This seems a good 10 MPH slow and no where near the cruise step.
The inlets look like the smaller un modded size, though basic question about Oil
Temp and CHT got a "no problems" response.
At 16K it seems like a good deal- has a panel radio, Narco Trans/Mode C, etc- I
know at 6'1 and 230# I'm a tight squeeze- I just fit in a Kitfox IV w/ some stick/leg
bumping, but the sig. other is a tiny 5'4 and 115#.
I've read all the Jabiru S/Bs, the AD note, etc. It has a Bing Carb, but don't
know if it's 32 or 40MM- the Rotec TBI looks like the thing to swap to down the
road. I don't mind a new prop test phase if there is a better one out there-
would like to goto ELSA, so would like to keep it fixed pitch.
Don't want to spend 6 grand and have to tear down the motor to update it, but I'd
take the courses to do the maint. on it as a LSA.
Suggestions, hints, gotchas?
Thanks in advance
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| Subject: | Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question |
See:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N820E
Gotcha #1:
N820E is certificated as Experimental Amateur Built so it can never be
changed to ELSA, and since you are not the builder you cannot get a
Repairman's Certificate. You can of course take the 16 hour course but
cannot get the certificate, you can do your own maintenance but not sign off
on changes and inspections, just like any non-builder EAB.
Gotcha #2:
The Airworthiness Certificate, according the above link, lists the engine
manufacturere as Rotax, which possibly means that the change to the Jabiru
engine was not done properly, at least in terms of FAA paperwork and
possibly inspections. There is a link on that page where you can request
further paperwork that might list the engine change, I'd highly recommend
paying the $$ to get it.
Possible gotch #3 - what are those anti-aircraft pods hanging off the
struts!? (joking, sort of)
I would never plunk down money on an aircraft without carefully reviewing
the logbooks and seeing the plane itself. Log books should answer Gotcha #2
and 3.
Other than that - looks like a sweet airplane!
Good luck
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of moosepileit
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:50 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question
List,
There is an Avid 2005 cert'd Heavy Hauler on Barnstormers. The engine is a
Jab 2200 of unknown S/N and S/B compliance w/ 125 hours. The cruise at 4GPH
is only 65 MPH, looks like a 2 blade warp drive prop.
This seems a good 10 MPH slow and no where near the cruise step.
The inlets look like the smaller un modded size, though basic question about
Oil Temp and CHT got a "no problems" response.
At 16K it seems like a good deal- has a panel radio, Narco Trans/Mode C,
etc- I know at 6'1 and 230# I'm a tight squeeze- I just fit in a Kitfox IV
w/ some stick/leg bumping, but the sig. other is a tiny 5'4 and 115#.
I've read all the Jabiru S/Bs, the AD note, etc. It has a Bing Carb, but
don't know if it's 32 or 40MM- the Rotec TBI looks like the thing to swap to
down the road. I don't mind a new prop test phase if there is a better one
out there- would like to goto ELSA, so would like to keep it fixed pitch.
Don't want to spend 6 grand and have to tear down the motor to update it,
but I'd take the courses to do the maint. on it as a LSA.
Suggestions, hints, gotchas?
Thanks in advance
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283783#283783
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| Subject: | 912 Series Rotax engines go to 2000 hours TBO Check it out |
Here is a little interest from Rotax=2C 2000 TBO
Check it out
http://www.pipistrel.si/news/1298
Clint
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| Subject: | Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question |
Bob,
Gotcha # 1 is not totally correct. I am not the builder of my Experimental
Amateur Built aircraft, but I CAN do all the maintenance AND sign off Annual
Condition Inspections and changes because I hold Mechanic Certificate with
Airframe and Powerplant Ratings.
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
See:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N820E
Gotcha #1:
N820E is certificated as Experimental Amateur Built so it can never be
changed to ELSA, and since you are not the builder you cannot get a
Repairman's Certificate. You can of course take the 16 hour course but
cannot get the certificate, you can do your own maintenance but not sign off
on changes and inspections, just like any non-builder EAB.
Gotcha #2:
The Airworthiness Certificate, according the above link, lists the engine
manufacturere as Rotax, which possibly means that the change to the Jabiru
engine was not done properly, at least in terms of FAA paperwork and
possibly inspections. There is a link on that page where you can request
further paperwork that might list the engine change, I'd highly recommend
paying the $$ to get it.
Possible gotch #3 - what are those anti-aircraft pods hanging off the
struts!? (joking, sort of)
I would never plunk down money on an aircraft without carefully reviewing
the logbooks and seeing the plane itself. Log books should answer Gotcha #2
and 3.
Other than that - looks like a sweet airplane!
Good luck
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question |
Yes of course John, and A&P can do the maintenance and sign off inspections
on any aircraft he/she is licensed for, including his own.
I was actually answering the original poster's point "but I'd take the
courses to do the maint. on it as a LSA.". The 16 hour ELSA course would not
qualify him to sign off the inspections on that aircraft even if he owned
it, and would be little help in learning maintenance since the course is all
about inspection, not repair. He can of course fly it as an LSA (as a Sport
Pilot for instance) if it meets the LSA criteria, which most Avids do, but
it will always be an Experimental Amateur Built aircraft.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hart
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question
Bob,
Gotcha # 1 is not totally correct. I am not the builder of my Experimental
Amateur Built aircraft, but I CAN do all the maintenance AND sign off Annual
Condition Inspections and changes because I hold Mechanic Certificate with
Airframe and Powerplant Ratings.
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brennan
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question
<matronics@bob.brennan.name>
See:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N820E
Gotcha #1:
N820E is certificated as Experimental Amateur Built so it can never be
changed to ELSA, and since you are not the builder you cannot get a
Repairman's Certificate. You can of course take the 16 hour course but
cannot get the certificate, you can do your own maintenance but not sign off
on changes and inspections, just like any non-builder EAB.
Gotcha #2:
The Airworthiness Certificate, according the above link, lists the engine
manufacturere as Rotax, which possibly means that the change to the Jabiru
engine was not done properly, at least in terms of FAA paperwork and
possibly inspections. There is a link on that page where you can request
further paperwork that might list the engine change, I'd highly recommend
paying the $$ to get it.
Possible gotch #3 - what are those anti-aircraft pods hanging off the
struts!? (joking, sort of)
I would never plunk down money on an aircraft without carefully reviewing
the logbooks and seeing the plane itself. Log books should answer Gotcha #2
and 3.
Other than that - looks like a sweet airplane!
Good luck
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger
Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop
Wrightsville Pa
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| Subject: | Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question |
An internet aquaintence of mine asked me to look at the add for this plane
as I've had 3 Avids and one of them has a Jabiru engine. Later on he went
and looked at the plane himself. He then called me and we talked about wha
t he saw. Plane has an early model Jabiru engine with the small cooling fi
ns on the heads=2C but supposedly has no cooling problems. Jabiru did go t
o larger fins for a reason. (Must be the 32 MM carb also) performance and
climb was not very good according to the owner. Wing tanks leak=2C that i
s why it has the external tanks mounted on the wings. The buyer sent me
some pics of the plane=2C and told me it was kind of ragged. The pics look
ed like it also. As far as headroom in an Avid verses a KItfox 4=2C the K
itfox 4 has 2" more headroom. I have a Kitfox 4 kit and have measured it a
nd the Avid side by side. Width is the same +or- 1/4". Price at $16000 is
low at first glance=2C but I think it may seem high after all the details
come to light. Take care=2C Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4 Mn
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question
> From: rklarich@msn.com
> Date: Thu=2C 28 Jan 2010 08:50:21 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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>
> List=2C
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> There is an Avid 2005 cert'd Heavy Hauler on Barnstormers. The engine is
a Jab 2200 of unknown S/N and S/B compliance w/ 125 hours. The cruise at 4G
PH is only 65 MPH=2C looks like a 2 blade warp drive prop.
>
> This seems a good 10 MPH slow and no where near the cruise step.
>
> The inlets look like the smaller un modded size=2C though basic question
about Oil Temp and CHT got a "no problems" response.
>
> At 16K it seems like a good deal- has a panel radio=2C Narco Trans/Mode C
=2C etc- I know at 6'1 and 230# I'm a tight squeeze- I just fit in a Kitfox
IV w/ some stick/leg bumping=2C but the sig. other is a tiny 5'4 and 115#.
>
> I've read all the Jabiru S/Bs=2C the AD note=2C etc. It has a Bing Carb
=2C but don't know if it's 32 or 40MM- the Rotec TBI looks like the thing t
o swap to down the road. I don't mind a new prop test phase if there is a b
etter one out there- would like to goto ELSA=2C so would like to keep it fi
xed pitch.
>
> Don't want to spend 6 grand and have to tear down the motor to update it
=2C but I'd take the courses to do the maint. on it as a LSA.
>
> Suggestions=2C hints=2C gotchas?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283783#283783
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| Subject: | Re: Avid Heavy Hauler Jabiru 2200 Question |
List, Thanks! I misunderstood the non conversion of EAB to ELSA- thanks! Also,
thanks for the direct intel on the aircraft in question- I really appreciate
it. Also, the use of 2 blade Warp Drive prop is not allowed in Australia due
to a hub cracking issue.
Will have to pass, thanks again!
I'm on the way to my A&P, all my buds are IAs, guess I'll keep after it!
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| Subject: | Flying on Snow with Wheels |
So . . here are several facts,
I got a new IVO prop 2 weeks ago and after a weekend of flying on it the gear
box was leaking so I had to send it out to get the seals replaced. It is back
and will be on tomorrow. I am also preparing for a deployment in a few weeks
so every moment enjoying the Fox is of utmost importance. We are about to get
hit by this crazy winter storm and depending on which site you read we will
get between 3 and 18 inches of snow, 6 is realistic.
I am assuming that with 21" Nanco tires that 6" of snow on the runway will not
slow me down too much, maybe make my take off roll 300', and that as long as I
take things slow and stay off the brakes except while slow taxiing things should
be pretty non eventful. Is there anything I am not expecting that might happen
flying off of a snowy runway? Anyone have any good stories about a similar
situation. I plan on having some fun flying over a completely white countryside,
that is pretty rare here.
Thanks
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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| Subject: | Flying on Snow with Wheels |
I would advise against wheel landings in the snow=2C get the tail down so t
he plane doesn't have any chance to nose over. I've flown my Avid in about
4" of snow with no problem and I have the big tires also=2C when it gets d
eeper than that the skis go on. Take care=2C Jim Chuk Avids Kitfox 4
Mn
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying on Snow with Wheels
> From: james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil
> Date: Thu=2C 28 Jan 2010 20:40:13 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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mil>
>
> So . . here are several facts=2C
> I got a new IVO prop 2 weeks ago and after a weekend of flying on it the
gear box was leaking so I had to send it out to get the seals replaced. It
is back and will be on tomorrow. I am also preparing for a deployment in a
few weeks so every moment enjoying the Fox is of utmost importance. We are
about to get hit by this crazy winter storm and depending on which site you
read we will get between 3 and 18 inches of snow=2C 6 is realistic.
>
> I am assuming that with 21" Nanco tires that 6" of snow on the runway wil
l not slow me down too much=2C maybe make my take off roll 300'=2C and that
as long as I take things slow and stay off the brakes except while slow ta
xiing things should be pretty non eventful. Is there anything I am not expe
cting that might happen flying off of a snowy runway? Anyone have any good
stories about a similar situation. I plan on having some fun flying over a
completely white countryside=2C that is pretty rare here.
> Thanks
>
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> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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