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1. 07:33 AM - Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (floran higgins)
2. 08:19 AM - Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (akflyer)
3. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Lynn Matteson)
4. 06:50 PM - Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (WurlyBird)
5. 07:08 PM - Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (dave)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
Many years ago when I was Chief Pilot for the Montana Fish and Game Dept, We
had a pilot flying a super cub with the 24 in tundra tires. He landed in
about 18 ins of snow that had a slight crust on it. The drag of the large
tires caused the airplane to roll over on its back.
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt.
Speedster
912 ULS
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From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flying on Snow with Wheels
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> So . . here are several facts,
> I got a new IVO prop 2 weeks ago and after a weekend of flying on it the
> gear box was leaking so I had to send it out to get the seals replaced.
> It is back and will be on tomorrow. I am also preparing for a deployment
> in a few weeks so every moment enjoying the Fox is of utmost importance.
> We are about to get hit by this crazy winter storm and depending on which
> site you read we will get between 3 and 18 inches of snow, 6 is realistic.
>
> I am assuming that with 21" Nanco tires that 6" of snow on the runway will
> not slow me down too much, maybe make my take off roll 300', and that as
> long as I take things slow and stay off the brakes except while slow
> taxiing things should be pretty non eventful. Is there anything I am not
> expecting that might happen flying off of a snowy runway? Anyone have any
> good stories about a similar situation. I plan on having some fun flying
> over a completely white countryside, that is pretty rare here.
> Thanks
>
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> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> The ink is still drying on my new certificate
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283881#283881
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
WurlyBird wrote:
> So . . here are several facts,
>
> I am assuming that with 21" Nanco tires that 6" of snow on the runway will not
slow me down too much, maybe make my take off roll 300', and that as long as
I take things slow and stay off the brakes except while slow taxiing things should
be pretty non eventful. Is there anything I am not expecting that might
happen flying off of a snowy runway? Anyone have any good stories about a similar
situation. I plan on having some fun flying over a completely white countryside,
that is pretty rare here.
> Thanks
I would exercise extreme caution.. While 6" does not seem like much, if it is a
real light fluffy snow, you should be OK. If it is wet and heavy, you stand
a good chance of getting the opportunity to buy a new prop, rebuild the engine
and repair lots of other dings and bends. I have flown mine with the 24" tires
in about 6" of snow and it was enough to make me get the new ski bottoms put
on and not fly again till I had the ski's installed... and I like to do "stupid"
stuff.
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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
But look at it this way....if his plane should only go over to
vertical, it would present a wonderful opportunity to change those
pesky fuel tanks without having to borrow a ladder.
No snow here to worry about....I took the skis off the other day...6
minutes, a record for Howland Field ski removal....ok, so nobody else
on Howland Field has skis....it's still a record, dammit!
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 843 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~157 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:19 AM, akflyer wrote:
>
>
> WurlyBird wrote:
>> So . . here are several facts,
>>
>> I am assuming that with 21" Nanco tires that 6" of snow on the
>> runway will not slow me down too much, maybe make my take off roll
>> 300', and that as long as I take things slow and stay off the
>> brakes except while slow taxiing things should be pretty non
>> eventful. Is there anything I am not expecting that might happen
>> flying off of a snowy runway? Anyone have any good stories about
>> a similar situation. I plan on having some fun flying over a
>> completely white countryside, that is pretty rare here.
>> Thanks
>
>
> I would exercise extreme caution.. While 6" does not seem like
> much, if it is a real light fluffy snow, you should be OK. If it
> is wet and heavy, you stand a good chance of getting the
> opportunity to buy a new prop, rebuild the engine and repair lots
> of other dings and bends. I have flown mine with the 24" tires in
> about 6" of snow and it was enough to make me get the new ski
> bottoms put on and not fly again till I had the ski's installed...
> and I like to do "stupid" stuff.
>
> --------
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
They always seem to over estimate the bejeezus out of winter storms. Even so we
will still have about 6 inches on the ground tomorrow. I am not sure if they
have any ability to clear off the run ways here so i just wanted to be prepared
if I wanted to go flying and there was still a bunch of snow. I would expect
that there will probably only be about 4" or so on the black top but we will
see.
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James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
James,
depends on snow conditions.
ie frozen crusty , powder, wet etc
I would be careful .
I have flown in up to 10 inches of fresh snow over grass with Kingfox 21" tires.
Would not advise to do it.
3 inches of snow can ruin your day just the same. Remeber there are a lot that
cannot land a Kitfox on runway with no snow let alone on one with snow or drifts.
be careful
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