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1. 05:32 AM - Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk (dave)
2. 07:54 AM - Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Tom Jones)
3. 08:48 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (fox5flyer)
4. 10:56 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Lynn Matteson)
5. 11:03 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Lynn Matteson)
6. 01:06 PM - Re: Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk (Noel Loveys)
7. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Cudnohufsky's)
8. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Lynn Matteson)
9. 07:13 PM - Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (WurlyBird)
10. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (floran higgins)
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| Subject: | Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk |
Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk
winter flying Rotax engine and starting up at -20c
while the rest of you sit in your chairs :)
Fueling up a plane with ethanol gas then flying for 2 hours at -18C
did the tanks melt ? did we get phasse separation?
did the lines freeze?
Did we have to get out survival kits ?
http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer
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| Subject: | Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
Does anyone know where I can find some small diameter fire sleeve to put on the
primer line? The line I want to cover is 1/4 inch outside diameter polyurethane.
Thanks
tj
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here.
Deke
http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/
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> Does anyone know where I can find some small diameter fire sleeve to put
> on the primer line? The line I want to cover is 1/4 inch outside diameter
> polyurethane.
> Thanks
> tj
>
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> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284152#284152
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
Now I see "flame retardant", so....never mind. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:24 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here.
> Deke
> http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/
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>> Does anyone know where I can find some small diameter fire sleeve
>> to put on the primer line? The line I want to cover is 1/4 inch
>> outside diameter polyurethane.
>> Thanks
>> tj
>>
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>> Tom Jones
>> Classic IV
>> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>> Ellensburg, WA
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284152#284152
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
I just went there, Deke, and the initial impression I got was that of
a medical website. Whether it was the type of font used or what, but
it struck me that way. Nonetheless, it looks like they have high
heat...220C...proof, but I didn't see the word "fire" anywhere....yet.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:24 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here.
> Deke
> http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/
>
>
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>> Does anyone know where I can find some small diameter fire sleeve
>> to put on the primer line? The line I want to cover is 1/4 inch
>> outside diameter polyurethane.
>> Thanks
>> tj
>>
>> --------
>> Tom Jones
>> Classic IV
>> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>> Ellensburg, WA
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284152#284152
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| Subject: | Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk |
In your neck of the woods a survival kit could include a toque and a cell
phone :-)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: January 31, 2010 10:02 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk
Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk
winter flying Rotax engine and starting up at -20c
while the rest of you sit in your chairs :)
Fueling up a plane with ethanol gas then flying for 2 hours at -18C
did the tanks melt ? did we get phasse separation?
did the lines freeze?
Did we have to get out survival kits ?
http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
http://www.cfisher.com/
Awesome *New Forum *
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284139#284139
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
All,
Landing in snow on wheels is a great topic to ponder before actually doing
it, it is your plane, if you wreck it you will be the one who has to fix it,
or worse. With that said, I have done it on frozen lakes in Upper Michigan,
we had a winter back around 2003 that was cold with very little snow (about
2" in places on the ice), so myself and several friends decided to hop
around the area and land on several lakes and rivers. There is a couple pics
of my fox and 2 Kolb's in our chapter newsletter page 3 at the below links.
Enjoy. (PS Plane in the pics is my 4-XL with a rotax 503DCDI)
http://www.eaa439.org/newsletters/Jan%20NL10.pdf
http://www.eaa439.org/photos/index.htm
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912ul IVO IFA
Iron Mountain Mi.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
WurlyBird wrote:
> So . . here are several facts,
>
> I am assuming that with 21" Nanco tires that 6" of snow on the runway will
not slow me down too much, maybe make my take off roll 300', and that as
long as I take things slow and stay off the brakes except while slow taxiing
things should be pretty non eventful. Is there anything I am not expecting
that might happen flying off of a snowy runway? Anyone have any good
stories about a similar situation. I plan on having some fun flying over a
completely white countryside, that is pretty rare here.
> Thanks
I would exercise extreme caution.. While 6" does not seem like much, if it
is a real light fluffy snow, you should be OK. If it is wet and heavy, you
stand a good chance of getting the opportunity to buy a new prop, rebuild
the engine and repair lots of other dings and bends. I have flown mine with
the 24" tires in about 6" of snow and it was enough to make me get the new
ski bottoms put on and not fly again till I had the ski's installed... and I
like to do "stupid" stuff.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
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I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
Similar subject...landing on lakes. I was flying with my flight
instructor yesterday (Grumman Widgeon) and we got to talking about
landing on the ice (we've had a goofy year of cold and above-
freezing and little snow) and he said "If you don't, you'll never
have to wish that you didn't." Pretty cautious advice, but not as
much fun as actually doing it. Right now I think the ice is strong
enough, but it's all ice...no snow to help the steering, so I'd want
to make sure the shanty's were few and far between.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
> <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> All,
> Landing in snow on wheels is a great topic to ponder before
> actually doing
> it, it is your plane, if you wreck it you will be the one who has
> to fix it,
> or worse. With that said, I have done it on frozen lakes in Upper
> Michigan,
> we had a winter back around 2003 that was cold with very little
> snow (about
> 2" in places on the ice), so myself and several friends decided to hop
> around the area and land on several lakes and rivers. There is a
> couple pics
> of my fox and 2 Kolb's in our chapter newsletter page 3 at the
> below links.
> Enjoy. (PS Plane in the pics is my 4-XL with a rotax 503DCDI)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
>From all I have gathered here and else where, I was prepared to go flying if there
was up to 4-5" on the runway. It was a very cold storm and it was cold fluffy
snow. I fear I might have lost the only opportunity I will have for a while.
My plane is broke hard so I will not get the chance to fly before all of
this melts. Oh well.
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James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
My advice: If in doubt, DON'T
Floran Higgins
Helena, Mt
Speedster
912 ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
>
> Similar subject...landing on lakes. I was flying with my flight
> instructor yesterday (Grumman Widgeon) and we got to talking about
> landing on the ice (we've had a goofy year of cold and above-
> freezing and little snow) and he said "If you don't, you'll never
> have to wish that you didn't." Pretty cautious advice, but not as
> much fun as actually doing it. Right now I think the ice is strong
> enough, but it's all ice...no snow to help the steering, so I'd want
> to make sure the shanty's were few and far between.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
>
>> <7suds@chartermi.net>
>>
>> All,
>> Landing in snow on wheels is a great topic to ponder before
>> actually doing
>> it, it is your plane, if you wreck it you will be the one who has
>> to fix it,
>> or worse. With that said, I have done it on frozen lakes in Upper
>> Michigan,
>> we had a winter back around 2003 that was cold with very little
>> snow (about
>> 2" in places on the ice), so myself and several friends decided to hop
>> around the area and land on several lakes and rivers. There is a
>> couple pics
>> of my fox and 2 Kolb's in our chapter newsletter page 3 at the
>> below links.
>> Enjoy. (PS Plane in the pics is my 4-XL with a rotax 503DCDI)
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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