---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/31/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:32 AM - Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk (dave) 2. 07:54 AM - Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Tom Jones) 3. 08:48 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (fox5flyer) 4. 10:56 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Lynn Matteson) 5. 11:03 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Lynn Matteson) 6. 01:06 PM - Re: Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk (Noel Loveys) 7. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Cudnohufsky's) 8. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Lynn Matteson) 9. 07:13 PM - Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (WurlyBird) 10. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (floran higgins) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:41 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk From: "dave" Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk winter flying Rotax engine and starting up at -20c while the rest of you sit in your chairs :) Fueling up a plane with ethanol gas then flying for 2 hours at -18C did the tanks melt ? did we get phasse separation? did the lines freeze? Did we have to get out survival kits ? http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284139#284139 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:06 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? From: "Tom Jones" Does anyone know where I can find some small diameter fire sleeve to put on the primer line? The line I want to cover is 1/4 inch outside diameter polyurethane. Thanks tj -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284152#284152 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:35 AM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here. Deke http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/ > > Does anyone know where I can find some small diameter fire sleeve to put > on the primer line? The line I want to cover is 1/4 inch outside diameter > polyurethane. > Thanks > tj > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284152#284152 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:30 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? Now I see "flame retardant", so....never mind. : ) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer) Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) do not archive On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:24 AM, fox5flyer wrote: > > > Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here. > Deke > http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/ > > >> >> Does anyone know where I can find some small diameter fire sleeve >> to put on the primer line? The line I want to cover is 1/4 inch >> outside diameter polyurethane. >> Thanks >> tj >> >> -------- >> Tom Jones >> Classic IV >> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp >> Ellensburg, WA >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284152#284152 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:32 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? I just went there, Deke, and the initial impression I got was that of a medical website. Whether it was the type of font used or what, but it struck me that way. Nonetheless, it looks like they have high heat...220C...proof, but I didn't see the word "fire" anywhere....yet. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer) Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) do not archive On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:24 AM, fox5flyer wrote: > > > Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here. > Deke > http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/ > > >> >> Does anyone know where I can find some small diameter fire sleeve >> to put on the primer line? The line I want to cover is 1/4 inch >> outside diameter polyurethane. >> Thanks >> tj >> >> -------- >> Tom Jones >> Classic IV >> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp >> Ellensburg, WA >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284152#284152 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:33 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk In your neck of the woods a survival kit could include a toque and a cell phone :-) Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave Sent: January 31, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk Videos -winter -ethanol gas talk winter flying Rotax engine and starting up at -20c while the rest of you sit in your chairs :) Fueling up a plane with ethanol gas then flying for 2 hours at -18C did the tanks melt ? did we get phasse separation? did the lines freeze? Did we have to get out survival kits ? http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ Awesome *New Forum * http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284139#284139 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:53 PM PST US From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels All, Landing in snow on wheels is a great topic to ponder before actually doing it, it is your plane, if you wreck it you will be the one who has to fix it, or worse. With that said, I have done it on frozen lakes in Upper Michigan, we had a winter back around 2003 that was cold with very little snow (about 2" in places on the ice), so myself and several friends decided to hop around the area and land on several lakes and rivers. There is a couple pics of my fox and 2 Kolb's in our chapter newsletter page 3 at the below links. Enjoy. (PS Plane in the pics is my 4-XL with a rotax 503DCDI) http://www.eaa439.org/newsletters/Jan%20NL10.pdf http://www.eaa439.org/photos/index.htm Lloyd Cudnohufsky Model 5 912ul IVO IFA Iron Mountain Mi. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of akflyer Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:19 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels WurlyBird wrote: > So . . here are several facts, > > I am assuming that with 21" Nanco tires that 6" of snow on the runway will not slow me down too much, maybe make my take off roll 300', and that as long as I take things slow and stay off the brakes except while slow taxiing things should be pretty non eventful. Is there anything I am not expecting that might happen flying off of a snowy runway? Anyone have any good stories about a similar situation. I plan on having some fun flying over a completely white countryside, that is pretty rare here. > Thanks I would exercise extreme caution.. While 6" does not seem like much, if it is a real light fluffy snow, you should be OK. If it is wet and heavy, you stand a good chance of getting the opportunity to buy a new prop, rebuild the engine and repair lots of other dings and bends. I have flown mine with the 24" tires in about 6" of snow and it was enough to make me get the new ski bottoms put on and not fly again till I had the ski's installed... and I like to do "stupid" stuff. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Leonard Perry aka SNAKE Soldotna AK Avid "C" / Mk IV 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild) IVO IFA Full Lotus 1450 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009 I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die.... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:46 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels Similar subject...landing on lakes. I was flying with my flight instructor yesterday (Grumman Widgeon) and we got to talking about landing on the ice (we've had a goofy year of cold and above- freezing and little snow) and he said "If you don't, you'll never have to wish that you didn't." Pretty cautious advice, but not as much fun as actually doing it. Right now I think the ice is strong enough, but it's all ice...no snow to help the steering, so I'd want to make sure the shanty's were few and far between. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer) Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) do not archive On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote: > <7suds@chartermi.net> > > All, > Landing in snow on wheels is a great topic to ponder before > actually doing > it, it is your plane, if you wreck it you will be the one who has > to fix it, > or worse. With that said, I have done it on frozen lakes in Upper > Michigan, > we had a winter back around 2003 that was cold with very little > snow (about > 2" in places on the ice), so myself and several friends decided to hop > around the area and land on several lakes and rivers. There is a > couple pics > of my fox and 2 Kolb's in our chapter newsletter page 3 at the > below links. > Enjoy. (PS Plane in the pics is my 4-XL with a rotax 503DCDI) > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:51 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels From: "WurlyBird" >From all I have gathered here and else where, I was prepared to go flying if there was up to 4-5" on the runway. It was a very cold storm and it was cold fluffy snow. I fear I might have lost the only opportunity I will have for a while. My plane is broke hard so I will not get the chance to fly before all of this melts. Oh well. -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop The ink is still drying on my new certificate Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284288#284288 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:25 PM PST US From: "floran higgins" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels My advice: If in doubt, DON'T Floran Higgins Helena, Mt Speedster 912 ULS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels > > Similar subject...landing on lakes. I was flying with my flight > instructor yesterday (Grumman Widgeon) and we got to talking about > landing on the ice (we've had a goofy year of cold and above- > freezing and little snow) and he said "If you don't, you'll never > have to wish that you didn't." Pretty cautious advice, but not as > much fun as actually doing it. Right now I think the ice is strong > enough, but it's all ice...no snow to help the steering, so I'd want > to make sure the shanty's were few and far between. > > Lynn Matteson > Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger > Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs > Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go > Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer) > Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter) > Electroair direct-fire ignition system > Rotec TBI-40 injection > Status: flying (and learning) > do not archive > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote: > >> <7suds@chartermi.net> >> >> All, >> Landing in snow on wheels is a great topic to ponder before >> actually doing >> it, it is your plane, if you wreck it you will be the one who has >> to fix it, >> or worse. With that said, I have done it on frozen lakes in Upper >> Michigan, >> we had a winter back around 2003 that was cold with very little >> snow (about >> 2" in places on the ice), so myself and several friends decided to hop >> around the area and land on several lakes and rivers. There is a >> couple pics >> of my fox and 2 Kolb's in our chapter newsletter page 3 at the >> below links. >> Enjoy. (PS Plane in the pics is my 4-XL with a rotax 503DCDI) >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.