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1. 05:14 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Tom Jones)
2. 05:32 AM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (fox5flyer)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (dave)
4. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Dave Fisher)
5. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (fox5flyer)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (dave)
7. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (fox5flyer)
8. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Dave Fisher)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Lynn Matteson)
10. 08:12 AM - YouTube video on Rotax 912 series. (Ted Palamarek)
11. 08:23 AM - Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Lynn Matteson)
12. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (John W. Hart)
13. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (fox5flyer)
14. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Lynn Matteson)
15. 06:20 PM - Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (RobS)
16. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? (Noel Loveys)
17. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Noel Loveys)
18. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels (Lynn Matteson)
19. 11:03 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:04 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
> Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here.
> Deke
> http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/
>
Deke, I poked around on that site but couldn't find any place where It allows to
purchase anything from them or any prices.
It seems to me I saw some small diameter (1/4 inch or so) regular fire sleeve for
sale on the web somewhere a while back but can't find it now. I do find some
places that seem to have some but they are vague and don't have prices or any
provision to purchase it.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284314#284314
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
Lynn, landing on ice is no big deal. The rudder does the work. Just land
into the wind and ensure nothing in front of you and watch for snowmobiles
screaming across the lake. If you see cars parked out there, the ice will
be fine.
Go for it.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
>
> Similar subject...landing on lakes. I was flying with my flight
> instructor yesterday (Grumman Widgeon) and we got to talking about
> landing on the ice (we've had a goofy year of cold and above- freezing
> and little snow) and he said "If you don't, you'll never have to wish
> that you didn't." Pretty cautious advice, but not as much fun as
> actually doing it. Right now I think the ice is strong enough, but it's
> all ice...no snow to help the steering, so I'd want to make sure the
> shanty's were few and far between.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Cudnohufsky's wrote:
>
>>
>> All,
>> Landing in snow on wheels is a great topic to ponder before actually
>> doing
>> it, it is your plane, if you wreck it you will be the one who has to fix
>> it,
>> or worse. With that said, I have done it on frozen lakes in Upper
>> Michigan,
>> we had a winter back around 2003 that was cold with very little snow
>> (about
>> 2" in places on the ice), so myself and several friends decided to hop
>> around the area and land on several lakes and rivers. There is a couple
>> pics
>> of my fox and 2 Kolb's in our chapter newsletter page 3 at the below
>> links.
>> Enjoy. (PS Plane in the pics is my 4-XL with a rotax 503DCDI)
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
Tom,
Try these guys you need the top one .
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/41/Firesleeve
Btw more Kitfox videos up, http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
http://www.cfisher.com/
Awesome *New Forum *
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284317#284317
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
Tom,
Try these guys you need the top one .
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/41/Firesleeve
Btw more Kitfox videos up, http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer
_________________
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
Flying Videos and Kitfox Info
http://www.cfisher.com/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
http://www.rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
__________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:13 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve?
>
>
>> Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here.
>> Deke
>> http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/
>>
>
>
> Deke, I poked around on that site but couldn't find any place where It
> allows to purchase anything from them or any prices.
>
> It seems to me I saw some small diameter (1/4 inch or so) regular fire
> sleeve for sale on the web somewhere a while back but can't find it now.
> I do find some places that seem to have some but they are vague and don't
> have prices or any provision to purchase it.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284314#284314
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
Tom, on the left side of the home page is their contact information.
Atkins & Pearce, Inc.
One Braid Way
Covington, KY 41017
U.S.A.
Phone: 859.356.2001
Coated Insulation Products
Phone: 1.877.502.3344
Fax: 859.356.4280
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:13 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve?
>
>
>> Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here.
>> Deke
>> http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/
>>
>
>
> Deke, I poked around on that site but couldn't find any place where It
> allows to purchase anything from them or any prices.
>
> It seems to me I saw some small diameter (1/4 inch or so) regular fire
> sleeve for sale on the web somewhere a while back but can't find it now.
> I do find some places that seem to have some but they are vague and don't
> have prices or any provision to purchase it.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284314#284314
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
I would caution against using non MIL SPEC fire sleeve.
Our Regs in Canada require MIL SPEC.
It like buying bungee cords at Walmart
dumb idea
This is fire and safety related.
Fox5flyer wrote:
> Tom, on the left side of the home page is their contact information.
>
> Atkins & Pearce, Inc.
> One Braid Way
> Covington, KY 41017
> U.S.A.
>
> Phone: 859.356.2001
>
> Coated Insulation Products
> Phone: 1.877.502.3344
> Fax: 859.356.4280
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>
>
>
> ---
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
http://www.cfisher.com/
Awesome *New Forum *
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284344#284344
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
groan... Oops, um, yes that's good advice. We'll be sure to adhere to
Canada regs.
Thanks,
Deke
>
> I would caution against using non MIL SPEC fire sleeve.
>
> Our Regs in Canada require MIL SPEC.
>
> It like buying bungee cords at Walmart
> dumb idea
>
> This is fire and safety related.
>
>
> Fox5flyer wrote:
>> Tom, on the left side of the home page is their contact information.
>>
>> Atkins & Pearce, Inc.
>> One Braid Way
>> Covington, KY 41017
>> U.S.A.
>>
>> Phone: 859.356.2001
>>
>> Coated Insulation Products
>> Phone: 1.877.502.3344
>> Fax: 859.356.4280
>>
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Awesome *New Forum *
> http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284344#284344
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
I am pretty sure that th experimental category in USA is the same wayr.
LSA I not sure about but likely the same .
It kind of like Gascolators , just plain smart to use.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve?
>
> groan... Oops, um, yes that's good advice. We'll be sure to adhere to
> Canada regs.
> Thanks,
> Deke
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I would caution against using non MIL SPEC fire sleeve.
>>
>> Our Regs in Canada require MIL SPEC.
>>
>> It like buying bungee cords at Walmart
>> dumb idea
>>
>> This is fire and safety related.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Fox5flyer wrote:
>>> Tom, on the left side of the home page is their contact information.
>>>
>>> Atkins & Pearce, Inc.
>>> One Braid Way
>>> Covington, KY 41017
>>> U.S.A.
>>>
>>> Phone: 859.356.2001
>>>
>>> Coated Insulation Products
>>> Phone: 1.877.502.3344
>>> Fax: 859.356.4280
>>>
>>> Deke Morisse
>>> Mikado Michigan
>>> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
>>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
>> http://www.cfisher.com/
>> Awesome *New Forum *
>> http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
>> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
>> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284344#284344
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
Hi Deke-
I haven't seen ANY cars on the lakes around here, just the shanties.
We've had some strange weather down here....very cold for awhile,
then warming.....shanties disappear....then this latest
cold....shanties come from out of the woodwork. And where I live,
the snow hasn't been all that great. At one point we were at 12"
compared to 40" same time last year. But it's not 12" on the ground,
it's 3" here and melt, 6" and melt to 3" etc, etc. So to get some fun
flying on skis in, I'd have to fly over by Kalamazoo at least, or go
to the east side of Michigan. I think I left the skis on for maybe 10
hours, until I took 'em off. Luckily, it takes about 10-12 minutes to
install, and 6 minutes to remove...no jacking required....so if it
dumps snow here, I'm ready for the mission at a cup of coffee
notice. : )
I was also thinking that if I did a ground loop on the ice, the prop
oughtta get me out of it, right?
Oh, the other thing about me be apprehensive about the lake across
the road....there had been a big open spot for the longest time, and
that kept my pucker factor at the red-line for quite a while. Locals
here said they hadn't seen the lake that open in their memory.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:23 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Lynn, landing on ice is no big deal. The rudder does the work.
> Just land into the wind and ensure nothing in front of you and
> watch for snowmobiles screaming across the lake. If you see cars
> parked out there, the ice will be fine.
> Go for it.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
>
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| Subject: | YouTube video on Rotax 912 series. |
Here's a link to a video I just watched on YouTube that may be on interest
to the folks using the 912 series engine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvyI4kH5fW4
Ted Palamarek
Edmonton Ab
Model IV/912
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
I just went back to see why such small fire sleeve was needed, and I
see it's for polyurethane.....not such a good idea under the cowl is
it? I thought that all under-cowl fuel line should be metallic, or
protected hose, or has someone lowered the standards? Case in
point....Cessna primer lines are 1/8" steel lines, and I think that
even copper is frowned upon....it may be legal, but how much
vibration does it take for cracks to appear?
Sorry if I seem to be hanging around the certified aircraft crowd too
much and picking up bad habits. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:24 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Here, Tom. You should be able to find what you need in here.
> Deke
> http://www.atkinsandpearce.com/Coated_Insulation_Products/Ben-Har/
>
>
>>
>> Does anyone know where I can find some small diameter fire sleeve
>> to put on the primer line? The line I want to cover is 1/4 inch
>> outside diameter polyurethane.
>> Thanks
>> tj
>>
>> --------
>> Tom Jones
>> Classic IV
>> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>> Ellensburg, WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284152#284152
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
Actually, there are no regs in the USA that specify what may materials may
or may not be used in Amateur Built/Experimental aircraft. The folks that
issue the special airworthiness certificate make the call as to the
airworthiness of the Amateur Built/Experimental aircraft.
John Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fisher
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve?
I am pretty sure that th experimental category in USA is the same wayr.
LSA I not sure about but likely the same .
It kind of like Gascolators , just plain smart to use.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve?
>
> groan... Oops, um, yes that's good advice. We'll be sure to adhere to
> Canada regs.
> Thanks,
> Deke
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I would caution against using non MIL SPEC fire sleeve.
>>
>> Our Regs in Canada require MIL SPEC.
>>
>> It like buying bungee cords at Walmart
>> dumb idea
>>
>> This is fire and safety related.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Fox5flyer wrote:
>>> Tom, on the left side of the home page is their contact information.
>>>
>>> Atkins & Pearce, Inc.
>>> One Braid Way
>>> Covington, KY 41017
>>> U.S.A.
>>>
>>> Phone: 859.356.2001
>>>
>>> Coated Insulation Products
>>> Phone: 1.877.502.3344
>>> Fax: 859.356.4280
>>>
>>> Deke Morisse
>>> Mikado Michigan
>>> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
>>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
>> http://www.cfisher.com/
>> Awesome *New Forum *
>> http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
>> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
>> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284344#284344
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
Lynn, just walk across the street and drill a hole in the ice. If it's at
least 5" (I'm sure yours is at least that thick) you would be perfectly safe
with a good margin. No snow is a good thing for ice. I means that it
freezes even more.
As for landing, there really isn't anything to worry about. Just a blip of
power will straighten you out, but it isn't really much of an issue. Forget
the skis, just land using the tires, but watch out for those ice fishing
holes. Probably best to drag your landing area first to check for anything
that might swallow you up.
It's actually a non event.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
>
> Hi Deke-
> I haven't seen ANY cars on the lakes around here, just the shanties.
> We've had some strange weather down here....very cold for awhile, then
> warming.....shanties disappear....then this latest cold....shanties come
> from out of the woodwork. And where I live, the snow hasn't been all
> that great. At one point we were at 12" compared to 40" same time last
> year. But it's not 12" on the ground, it's 3" here and melt, 6" and melt
> to 3" etc, etc. So to get some fun flying on skis in, I'd have to fly
> over by Kalamazoo at least, or go to the east side of Michigan. I think I
> left the skis on for maybe 10 hours, until I took 'em off. Luckily, it
> takes about 10-12 minutes to install, and 6 minutes to remove...no
> jacking required....so if it dumps snow here, I'm ready for the mission
> at a cup of coffee notice. : )
>
> I was also thinking that if I did a ground loop on the ice, the prop
> oughtta get me out of it, right?
> Oh, the other thing about me be apprehensive about the lake across the
> road....there had been a big open spot for the longest time, and that
> kept my pucker factor at the red-line for quite a while. Locals here said
> they hadn't seen the lake that open in their memory.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:23 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Lynn, landing on ice is no big deal. The rudder does the work. Just
>> land into the wind and ensure nothing in front of you and watch for
>> snowmobiles screaming across the lake. If you see cars parked out
>> there, the ice will be fine.
>> Go for it.
>> Deke
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
I was awfully tempted to land today while flying, but figured I'd
wait a day. I must be gettin' chickens**t in my old age. Yeah, the
skis are off for now, and I was heading west just to see where the
"snow belt" ended down here, and I got turned around by a Hillsdale
weather check that said "vis 1-1/4 miles...light snow...1600 ceiling.
This was at the same time that Jackson said something like 3500
broken and 5000 broken, and those two 'ports are about 20 miles
apart. That's how spotty the weather is down here. Of course when I
turned to head back I took a little tour down BY Hillsdale, and sure
enough, snow flurries. So I hung around closer to home for my flight.
Regarding the ice landing, I think I'll land tomorrow at Grass
Lake...it's only about 2-3' deep, and has the reputation of freezing
first around here, and given the single-digit lows and below freezing
temps all day for the last week, it ought to hold up a Model IV
Kitfox with a "lightened" prop....notice how I segued into that use
of the airplane that this group is all about? Ya taught me well,
Dekester. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 845.1 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~155 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:33 PM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Lynn, just walk across the street and drill a hole in the ice. If
> it's at least 5" (I'm sure yours is at least that thick) you would
> be perfectly safe with a good margin. No snow is a good thing for
> ice. I means that it freezes even more.
> As for landing, there really isn't anything to worry about. Just a
> blip of power will straighten you out, but it isn't really much of
> an issue. Forget the skis, just land using the tires, but watch
> out for those ice fishing holes. Probably best to drag your
> landing area first to check for anything that might swallow you up.
> It's actually a non event.
> Deke
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
Thought you might like to see this from Alton Bay, NH (B18) - picture was taken
on 1/31/10.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284519#284519
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve? |
I'm not anal about traceability about the parts that I put on my plane but I
do prefer to use only parts that were at least once certified.
Some tome ago I came across a supply of fasteners that were certified but
the paperwork was lost so they all got relegated to a parts graveyard.
Whenever I need a fastener that's where I head...Cap in hand :-)
The one thing about certified parts is that you know exactly what you have
on your plane. The chances of a defective part is just about zero. BTW as
soon as a part is put on one of our non certified planes all the parts lose
their certificate too.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: February 1, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Source for small diameter fire sleeve?
groan... Oops, um, yes that's good advice. We'll be sure to adhere to
Canada regs.
Thanks,
Deke
>
> I would caution against using non MIL SPEC fire sleeve.
>
> Our Regs in Canada require MIL SPEC.
>
> It like buying bungee cords at Walmart
> dumb idea
>
> This is fire and safety related.
>
>
> Fox5flyer wrote:
>> Tom, on the left side of the home page is their contact information.
>>
>> Atkins & Pearce, Inc.
>> One Braid Way
>> Covington, KY 41017
>> U.S.A.
>>
>> Phone: 859.356.2001
>>
>> Coated Insulation Products
>> Phone: 1.877.502.3344
>> Fax: 859.356.4280
>>
>> Deke Morisse
>> Mikado Michigan
>> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
>> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
>> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
>> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>
>
> --------
> Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
> http://www.cfisher.com/
> Awesome *New Forum *
> http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
> Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kitfoxflyer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284344#284344
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
If you are thinking about using the lake across the road just take an isce
auger and test the thickness of the ice in several places.. BtW the ice
tends to refreeze like a plug in the ice but it also tend to freeze thicker
after a hole is drilled. Whenever they find thin ice on the ice highways
going into Alaska they send a truck out to drill holes in the ice so when it
freezes again it freezes thicker. They don't drill the ice to check
thickness... some sort of ultrasound or radar.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: February 1, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
Hi Deke-
I haven't seen ANY cars on the lakes around here, just the shanties.
We've had some strange weather down here....very cold for awhile,
then warming.....shanties disappear....then this latest
cold....shanties come from out of the woodwork. And where I live,
the snow hasn't been all that great. At one point we were at 12"
compared to 40" same time last year. But it's not 12" on the ground,
it's 3" here and melt, 6" and melt to 3" etc, etc. So to get some fun
flying on skis in, I'd have to fly over by Kalamazoo at least, or go
to the east side of Michigan. I think I left the skis on for maybe 10
hours, until I took 'em off. Luckily, it takes about 10-12 minutes to
install, and 6 minutes to remove...no jacking required....so if it
dumps snow here, I'm ready for the mission at a cup of coffee
notice. : )
I was also thinking that if I did a ground loop on the ice, the prop
oughtta get me out of it, right?
Oh, the other thing about me be apprehensive about the lake across
the road....there had been a big open spot for the longest time, and
that kept my pucker factor at the red-line for quite a while. Locals
here said they hadn't seen the lake that open in their memory.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:23 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Lynn, landing on ice is no big deal. The rudder does the work.
> Just land into the wind and ensure nothing in front of you and
> watch for snowmobiles screaming across the lake. If you see cars
> parked out there, the ice will be fine.
> Go for it.
> Deke
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels |
The fact that the ice fishermen haven't been going to the lake across
the road so much this winter either says something about the lack of
fish or the condition of the ice. I think I'll stop and ask them next
time I see one. Right now there are zero shanties on that lake, but
plenty of shanties or just tip-ups on other lakes in the area....and
we've got plenty of 'em!
Thanks for the info, Noel.
And from what I've seen of the "Ice Truckers", maybe they drill a
hole for their cameras, too. Man, the way those guys swear, you'd
think they were overhauling a Jabiru. : )...or installing bungees on
a Kitfox.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 845.1 hrs
Countdown to 1000 hrs~155 to go
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> If you are thinking about using the lake across the road just take
> an isce
> auger and test the thickness of the ice in several places.. BtW
> the ice
> tends to refreeze like a plug in the ice but it also tend to freeze
> thicker
> after a hole is drilled. Whenever they find thin ice on the ice
> highways
> going into Alaska they send a truck out to drill holes in the ice
> so when it
> freezes again it freezes thicker. They don't drill the ice to check
> thickness... some sort of ultrasound or radar.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
> Matteson
> Sent: February 1, 2010 12:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
>
>
> Hi Deke-
> I haven't seen ANY cars on the lakes around here, just the shanties.
> We've had some strange weather down here....very cold for awhile,
> then warming.....shanties disappear....then this latest
> cold....shanties come from out of the woodwork. And where I live,
> the snow hasn't been all that great. At one point we were at 12"
> compared to 40" same time last year. But it's not 12" on the ground,
> it's 3" here and melt, 6" and melt to 3" etc, etc. So to get some fun
> flying on skis in, I'd have to fly over by Kalamazoo at least, or go
> to the east side of Michigan. I think I left the skis on for maybe 10
> hours, until I took 'em off. Luckily, it takes about 10-12 minutes to
> install, and 6 minutes to remove...no jacking required....so if it
> dumps snow here, I'm ready for the mission at a cup of coffee
> notice. : )
>
> I was also thinking that if I did a ground loop on the ice, the prop
> oughtta get me out of it, right?
> Oh, the other thing about me be apprehensive about the lake across
> the road....there had been a big open spot for the longest time, and
> that kept my pucker factor at the red-line for quite a while. Locals
> here said they hadn't seen the lake that open in their memory.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 844 hrs
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~156 to go
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:23 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
>
>> <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>>
>> Lynn, landing on ice is no big deal. The rudder does the work.
>> Just land into the wind and ensure nothing in front of you and
>> watch for snowmobiles screaming across the lake. If you see cars
>> parked out there, the ice will be fine.
>> Go for it.
>> Deke
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Flying on Snow with Wheels
>>
>
>
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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