Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:41 AM - Re: Droopy wing tips. (dave)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Clear tubing (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 06:44 AM - Re: Droopy wing tips. (Ken Potter)
4. 07:30 AM - Re: Thermal grease (was Re: Rotax spark plugs) (Perkins, Mike)
5. 07:58 AM - Re: Clear tubing/fuel price (Pete Christensen)
6. 08:01 AM - Re: Clear tubing/fuel price (Pete Christensen)
7. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Droopy wing tips. (fox5flyer)
8. 08:22 AM - Re: Clear tubing (fox5flyer)
9. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (Noel Loveys)
10. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (Noel Loveys)
11. 10:47 AM - New Start Up Procedures (Clint Bazzill)
12. 02:41 PM - Re: New Start Up Procedures (wingnut)
13. 02:53 PM - oil filter # (gilbey69)
14. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: New Start Up Procedures (Clint Bazzill)
15. 04:47 PM - Re: oil filter # (vetdrem)
16. 04:48 PM - Re: oil filter # (Av8r3400)
17. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: oil filter # (gilbey69)
18. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Droopy wing tips. (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Re: Droopy wing tips. |
Clint, no arguement here. I have no issues with the droop tips.
I think that for most that it all about aesthetics possibly. Personally I like
what works.
[quote="clint_bazzill(at)hotmail."]Hi Lowell and all,
I received my kit in Aug of 1993. The tips that came with the kit were 2 piece
and you had to epoxy them together. The form before installing themshowed that
they were under cambered. I called the factory and they told me that they were
from Model 3's and would work just fine on the Model 4. When you install them
you force the camber out. The droop tips do work. A Tuft test showed no turblance
and yarn layed flat when wing was stalled. I have pictured to prove.
Clint
> From: lcfitt@sbcglobal.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Droopy wing tips.
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:31:59 -0800
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Some of the guys we fly with have the droop tips and others do not - all
> Model IVs and I think you are right - performance difference is not enough
> to measure.
>
> Lowell
> ---
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| Subject: | Re: Clear tubing |
Deke
I found the Tygon SE-200 tubing at McMaster-Carr. Go online and you will
find it for about $2.56 per ft (plus shipping of course)
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Droopy wing tips. |
Droop tips function similarly to winglets tips on other aircraft. They prevent
the wingtip vortex from flowing between top and bottom. As such, they actually
increase the efficiency of the wing.
Cheers
Ken
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Ken Potter
Model II, No. 483
Rotax 582, C-Box,
98% Complete
C-FJKP (marks reserved)
Lanark, Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs) |
Better than silicon grease for you might be silver grease. It's used on
the CPU coolers of PCs, is twice as effective as silicone grease, and
you don't have to worry about silicone contamination with the silver
grease. Local PC shops sell small tubes of it and it's available by
googling "silver thermal paste." Just a thought.
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| Subject: | Re: Clear tubing/fuel price |
My take on the flying someplace to get fuel is that I'm going to fly
"'someplace" anyway when I get in my plane and I enjoy a cup of coffee with
friends at other airports. I prepay for coop fuel just in case I need some
in a hurry but I'd still fly 10 or 20 miles to fuel up and save $10.
Pete
Leander, TX
N. of Austin ( where the nut crashed his Cherokee)
Kitfox III, sn. 1000, 912, grove
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clear tubing/fuel price
>
> Yeah, Pat, I know that the tank at home sometimes is not the cheapest way
> to operate, but I like the convenience of not having to fly somewhere to
> fill up. I did some math one day and figured the cost of flying to
> various distances to get fuel, and (not recalling what the figures were)
> it usually didn't make it cost effective to fly out of your way very far
> to save a few cents. Now if I'm heading to "X" for example, and I'm low
> on fuel, and they're close to what the cost is in my tank at home, I'll
> fill at their place. Sometimes I just fill there anyway, to thank them
> for the use of the car, etc. (I fill the car, too, if there's room in the
> tank)
>
> P.S. A friend gave me my tank, so my cash outlay was pretty low to get
> started. I also have a hangar-mate next door, and he gets 100 gallons to
> my 300, so maybe the delivery charge is waved. My fuel comes from Air BP
> out of Toledo, Ohio, about 75 miles away, and they deliver all around the
> area, so I get it when they are "in the neighborhood."
>
> Lynn Matteson
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| Subject: | Re: Clear tubing/fuel price |
Guy, You're probably paying the extra $0.70 to the Governator.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clear tubing/fuel price
>
> At 01:10 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote:
>>$3.49 N of Austin @ Rusty Allen airport. But we pay $4 at my field
>>delivered to our coop. We must be getting ripped off.
>
> Sounds good to me. $4.70 in Ramona, (NE of San Diego.)
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Droopy wing tips. |
Might be true, hypothetically, Ken. However, if I recall correctly, Skystar
did tests by comparing the droop tips to their new laminar design and found
no performance or stall difference so they dropped the droops. One thing
the droops will give you is some protection in the event of a ground loop
when you tip a wing.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
Previously Model 2, 582 #606 400 hours
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Potter" <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:44 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Droopy wing tips.
>
> Droop tips function similarly to winglets tips on other aircraft. They
> prevent the wingtip vortex from flowing between top and bottom. As such,
> they actually increase the efficiency of the wing.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> --------
> Ken Potter
> Model II, No. 483
> Rotax 582, C-Box,
> 98% Complete
> C-FJKP (marks reserved)
> Lanark, Ontario
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287337#287337
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Clear tubing |
Thanks, Dick. I'll check it out.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clear tubing
Deke
I found the Tygon SE-200 tubing at McMaster-Carr. Go online and you
will find it for about $2.56 per ft (plus shipping of course)
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | re: wheel tracking |
As usual Lowell you are spot on!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: February 20, 2010 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
Malcolm,
I calculated total toe in as you gave a measurement that gave total
difference front to back of your rods. I think Noel gave the toe in for
each wheel. His combined would be 2.25, which is close to my calculation.
I have done several such measurements on different landing gear sets and the
right and left are usually not the same. I have found on occasion that the
total discrepancy is on one gear leg alone.
Regarding your question, I think I would go on the feel of the airplane on
landing - if it doesn't feel squirrely to you, I would ignore it. If you
are concerned with tire wear, you might consider tweaking it, but that
procedure can be a challenge. What you might do is remount the tires so you
will wear the opposite side.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malcolm Brubaker" <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
i did back the plane in the hanger then took of the tires and rime and used
the wheel hubs for the straight edge. should I put the wheels back on and
push the plane into the hanger then take the wheels off to take the
measurements? and once again was your calculations 1.25 or 2.78deg off and
at 1.25 deg will the tires wear badly?
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
Noel,
I just drew a 72" line with approximately 2-5/16 offset and had the program
calculate the angle. My guess was that original measurements were eyeballed
and and that is what I did on the computer. It has been over 50 years since
I had trig, so the cosine stuff was way out of my league.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>
> Just out of curiosity Lowell did you use the straight forward distance as
> the 72"or the hypotenuse as 72"?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> Sent: February 19, 2010 12:27 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>
>
> I put the 3-5/16" over 72" in my drawing program and it comes out to be
> 2.79
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>
>
>> Whether you want toe in or toe out depends on whether you have
>> conventional
>> gear or tricycle gear.
>>
>>
>>
>> On conventional gear toe in will make the plane very squirrely while
>> landing. If the tail goes one side or other on landing the main gear
>> will
>> swerve the opposite direction this can lead to a ground loop.
>>
>>
>>
>> On tricycle gear toe in is not really necessary as the CG of the plane
>> tends
>> to keep things straight. However some planes do have a little toe in to
>> help assist in keeping the plane straight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Either way toe in or toe out the shift from straight is usually about 1
>> degree max.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are worried about your bungee gear not being able to handle a
>> little
>> toe out then you better stay away from grass strips where it will get far
>> more workout. These are very light planes and if your tires are wearing
>> on
>> the outside it sounds to me like you have way too much toe in.
>>
>>
>>
>> My plane a model III-A ( That is what it was sold as by Denney) The toe
>> in
>> can only be changes by de-tempering the welds of the legs, using brute
>> force, then re-tempering the joints. If your axel stub is bolted to the
>> leg/s then I assume you do have a spring leg.
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PMorel
>> Sent: February 18, 2010 12:45 PM
>> To: brubakermal@yahoo.com; kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>>
>>
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
>>
>>
>> Before you consider attempting to change the tracking of your wheels,
>> consider this. What I'm talking about is the gear leg that uses bungee
>> cords and not the grove gear. With bungee cords, the gear is toe in to
>> keep
>> the bungee cords from extending and wheels spreading outward during taxi
>> and
>> take-off. Naturally, if the wheels were toe out, then the gears would
>> want
>> to spread out and the bungee cords would stretch. The perfect scenario
>> would be to have a straight track, but even with that, I think you may be
>> looking for a potential problem. You need to decide if replacement of
>> the
>> tires and expense outweighs the possibility of bungee cord breaking and
>> more
>> expensive damage and repairs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Morel
>>
>> Model IV Speedster
>>
>> Locust Grove GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | re: wheel tracking |
Lowell I did it the olod fashioned way... almost my slide rule is in my car
;-)
I used a straight ahead measurement of 72" as an adjacent side and 2.3125 as
an opposite side then calculated the tan (t=O/A) to be 0.03211805556 the
anti tan of which was 1.839---- deg
Then for comparison I used the 72 inches as a hypotenuse and the sine
function (S=O/H) I would get 1.840...deg
For anyone else reading I'm not getting into significant figures but I
suppose that the measurements were good to three decimal places.
P.S. I wonder if I can still do the calculations on the slide rule ;-)
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: February 19, 2010 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
Noel,
I just drew a 72" line with approximately 2-5/16 offset and had the program
calculate the angle. My guess was that original measurements were eyeballed
and and that is what I did on the computer. It has been over 50 years since
I had trig, so the cosine stuff was way out of my league.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>
> Just out of curiosity Lowell did you use the straight forward distance as
> the 72"or the hypotenuse as 72"?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> Sent: February 19, 2010 12:27 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>
>
> I put the 3-5/16" over 72" in my drawing program and it comes out to be
> 2.79
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>
>
>> Whether you want toe in or toe out depends on whether you have
>> conventional
>> gear or tricycle gear.
>>
>>
>>
>> On conventional gear toe in will make the plane very squirrely while
>> landing. If the tail goes one side or other on landing the main gear
>> will
>> swerve the opposite direction this can lead to a ground loop.
>>
>>
>>
>> On tricycle gear toe in is not really necessary as the CG of the plane
>> tends
>> to keep things straight. However some planes do have a little toe in to
>> help assist in keeping the plane straight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Either way toe in or toe out the shift from straight is usually about 1
>> degree max.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are worried about your bungee gear not being able to handle a
>> little
>> toe out then you better stay away from grass strips where it will get far
>> more workout. These are very light planes and if your tires are wearing
>> on
>> the outside it sounds to me like you have way too much toe in.
>>
>>
>>
>> My plane a model III-A ( That is what it was sold as by Denney) The toe
>> in
>> can only be changes by de-tempering the welds of the legs, using brute
>> force, then re-tempering the joints. If your axel stub is bolted to the
>> leg/s then I assume you do have a spring leg.
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PMorel
>> Sent: February 18, 2010 12:45 PM
>> To: brubakermal@yahoo.com; kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>>
>>
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
>>
>>
>> Before you consider attempting to change the tracking of your wheels,
>> consider this. What I'm talking about is the gear leg that uses bungee
>> cords and not the grove gear. With bungee cords, the gear is toe in to
>> keep
>> the bungee cords from extending and wheels spreading outward during taxi
>> and
>> take-off. Naturally, if the wheels were toe out, then the gears would
>> want
>> to spread out and the bungee cords would stretch. The perfect scenario
>> would be to have a straight track, but even with that, I think you may be
>> looking for a potential problem. You need to decide if replacement of
>> the
>> tires and expense outweighs the possibility of bungee cord breaking and
>> more
>> expensive damage and repairs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Morel
>>
>> Model IV Speedster
>>
>> Locust Grove GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New Start Up Procedures |
Hi all=2C
I know that some of you are using my old start up procedures on your 912's.
I am using a modified procedure that works great=2C as follows:
Ign A & B off.
Throttle full idle.
Pull choke (idle enrichment) and hold=2C crank enging for 3-5 seconds.
Keep chock(idle enrichment) out=2C open throttle about 1 1/4 turn on vernie
r throttle.
Ign A & B on=2C crank enging=2C will start immediately=2C release choke (id
le enrichment) then adjust warm up RPM's.
By doing this=2C you bypass the retarded timing=2C 6 deg BTDC and rough sta
rts. Great on min gear box wear.
Clint Bazzill
912ULS Model IV-1200 1500 hours.
Half Moon Bay=2C Calif
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| Subject: | Re: New Start Up Procedures |
Boy. I wish my Kitfox started that easily. I'm working on adding a fuel primer
to mine. She can be a real bitch some days.
--------
Luis Rodriguez
Model IV 1200
Rotax 912UL
Flying Weekly
Laurens, SC (34A)
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listers,just returned back to flying kitfoxs again,after a number of
years,i use to use oil; filters from NAPA and FRAM,also from car quest,
can anyone on the list give me the correct oil filter numbers for the
right filters to use on the 912 engines,i can not remmber them after 15
years of not using them, thanks all
frank goggio
912 speedster
wilmington nc
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| Subject: | Re: New Start Up Procedures |
Try this method=2C make sure your engine is at full idle or enrichment will
not work=2C or not enough to get it started.
Clint
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New Start Up Procedures
> From: wingnut@spamarrest.com
> Date: Sat=2C 20 Feb 2010 14:40:52 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Boy. I wish my Kitfox started that easily. I'm working on adding a fuel p
rimer to mine. She can be a real bitch some days.
>
> --------
> Luis Rodriguez
> Model IV 1200
> Rotax 912UL
> Flying Weekly
> Laurens=2C SC (34A)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287398#287398
>
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| Subject: | Re: oil filter # |
I think that a FRAM 1056 or Carquest 85056 are two that will work.
I hope that you are wearing a flack jacket, the purists are going to get you.
Personally, I am not afraid that a non-rotax filter will turn your day to s###,
but others are sure that the world will end.
There was a comparison posted "somewhere" (I can't find it now) that tested 6 or
7 different filters for particle size, by-pass relief pressure, physical size,
and a few other things. What I took from the comparison was that rotax is
not the only filter that will do a great job of protecting your engine, but it
is the only one that maintains the warranty if that is a concern.
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| Subject: | Re: oil filter # |
This may very well be a "can of worms" topic!
The Rotax people have been very big lately on pushing their own filter due to it's
housing's pressure capacity and bypass valve pressure settings. On cold starts
and during normal operations, they are claiming that the "aftermarket" filters
are either failing at the housing or their by-pass valves (if equipped)
are opening allowing unfiltered oil to circulate through the system.
But there sure are a lot of 912s running just fine with a filter that says "NAPA"
or "FRAM" on the outside. I don't know.
In my opinion using a $25 filter to save your $20k engine from possible failure
is a "no brainer" decision for me... Cheap insurance.
--------
Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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| Subject: | Re: oil filter # |
thanks guys,for the infor,i l used napa and fram on my former speedster
about 4 years,never a problem,of course that was about in 93.if i remmber
right perolator makes the rotax filter in there overseas plant,no problem
with the warrenty on this engine, thats long been gone,i to remember a
comparison on filters way back,did not seen to be much different, to me
thats like a car dealer telling me i got to use only his dealership,mileage
may very,but i got this engine with 800hrs on it, compression still
79/80,all cylinders,runs like a sewing machine,had wicks filter on it,and
where it came from i dought it ever had a rotax filter other then what it
came with,
frank goggio
912 speedster
wilmington nc
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| Subject: | Re: Droopy wing tips. |
Back when I was flying my Himax=2C I talked to Wayne Ison about the drooped
tips which were made as an option for the Himax=2C Mini-Max and Airbike ai
rcraft. He said he didn't think they made much if any difference except m
aybe in ground effect=2C and were mostly for looks. If Wayne's name doesn'
t ring a bell=2C he designed several airplanes for Fisher Flying Products a
nd then founded TEAM aircraft and designed the Himax=2C Mini-Max=2C Airbike
=2C and Eros airplanes. I would guess he knew what he was talking about.
They might keep the flaperon out of the weeds in a ground loop though! LOL
Take care=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 Mn
> From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Droopy wing tips.
> Date: Sat=2C 20 Feb 2010 11:14:12 -0500
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> Might be true=2C hypothetically=2C Ken. However=2C if I recall correctly
=2C Skystar
> did tests by comparing the droop tips to their new laminar design and fou
nd
> no performance or stall difference so they dropped the droops. One thing
> the droops will give you is some protection in the event of a ground loop
> when you tip a wing.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> Previously Model 2=2C 582 #606 400 hours
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert=2C in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Potter" <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday=2C February 20=2C 2010 9:44 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Droopy wing tips.
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> >
> > Droop tips function similarly to winglets tips on other aircraft. They
> > prevent the wingtip vortex from flowing between top and bottom. As such
=2C
> > they actually increase the efficiency of the wing.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ken
> >
> > --------
> > Ken Potter
> > Model II=2C No. 483
> > Rotax 582=2C C-Box=2C
> > 98% Complete
> > C-FJKP (marks reserved)
> > Lanark=2C Ontario
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287337#287337
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