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1. 05:48 AM - Re: New Start Up Procedures (WurlyBird)
2. 06:33 AM - Exhaust stud thread lock (Pete Christensen)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: New Start Up Procedures (Tom Jones)
4. 07:01 AM - Re: Clear tubing (fox5flyer)
5. 09:53 AM - Re: New Start Up Procedures (dave)
6. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (Malcolm Brubaker)
7. 12:52 PM - Re: Thermal grease (was Re: Rotax spark plugs) (Lynn Matteson)
8. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (Cudnohufsky's)
9. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (Cudnohufsky's)
10. 01:52 PM - Re: Clear tubing (fox5flyer)
11. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (larry huntley)
12. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (fox5flyer)
13. 03:29 PM - Re: New Start Up Procedures (WurlyBird)
14. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (Lowell Fitt)
15. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: New Start Up Procedures (fox5flyer)
16. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (Cudnohufsky's)
17. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: wheel tracking (Cudnohufsky's)
18. 07:18 PM - Re: New Start Up Procedures (Av8r3400)
19. 07:54 PM - 582 Start Up Procedure (Marco Menezes)
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| Subject: | Re: New Start Up Procedures |
Anyone have any great starting tips for a 582? Mine can be a real pain if the
temps get below about 60.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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| Subject: | Exhaust stud thread lock |
I removed an exhaust manifold on my 912 and had the stud come out
instead of the nut come off. Should I use Loctite 270 or some other
thread lock to reinstall the stud?
Pete
Kitfox III, 912
Austin, TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
To: kitfox list
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:42 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Droopy wing tips.
Back when I was flying my Himax, I talked to Wayne Ison about the
drooped tips which were made as an option for the Himax, Mini-Max and
Airbike aircraft. He said he didn't think they made much if any
difference except maybe in ground effect, and were mostly for looks. If
Wayne's name doesn't ring a bell, he designed several airplanes for
Fisher Flying Products and then founded TEAM aircraft and designed the
Himax, Mini-Max, Airbike, and Eros airplanes. I would guess he knew
what he was talking about. They might keep the flaperon out of the
weeds in a ground loop though! LOL
Take care, Jim Chuk Avids, Kitfox 4 Mn
> From: fox5flyer@idealwifi.net
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Droopy wing tips.
> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:14:12 -0500
>
<fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
>
> Might be true, hypothetically, Ken. However, if I recall correctly,
Skystar
> did tests by comparing the droop tips to their new laminar design
and found
> no performance or stall difference so they dropped the droops. One
thing
> the droops will give you is some protection in the event of a ground
loop
> when you tip a wing.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> Previously Model 2, 582 #606 400 hours
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Potter" <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:44 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Droopy wing tips.
>
>
<kjpotter@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > Droop tips function similarly to winglets tips on other aircraft.
They
> > prevent the wingtip vortex from flowing between top and bottom. As
such,
> > they actually increase the efficiency of the wing.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ken
> >
> > --------
> > Ken Potter
> > Model II, No. 483
> > Rotax 582, C-Box,
> > 98% Complete
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> > Lanark, Ontario
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| Subject: | Re: New Start Up Procedures |
WurlyBird wrote:
> Anyone have any great starting tips for a 582? Mine can be a real pain if the
temps get below about 60.
If the idle is set very high the enricher circuit (choke) in the carbs doesn't
work. With the idle set at 2500 on my 503 it was almost impossible to start when
the temp was below 30 F. I had to take the air filter off and prime it with
a squirt bottle to start.
I finally broke down and installed a primer this winter. No matter how long it
has set or how cold it is, it starts first blade with the primer.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Clear tubing |
Found it, Dick. Thanks. However, the price has gone up a bit to $3.29
a foot. Is this the same stuff you're talking about?
http://www.mcmaster.com/#5046k13/=5wxi8w
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clear tubing
Deke
I found the Tygon SE-200 tubing at McMaster-Carr. Go online and you
will find it for about $2.56 per ft (plus shipping of course)
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: New Start Up Procedures |
I was flying today -10C --
3 shots of primer and fires right up .
get ready with more primer shots until it warms a bit or use enricher .
I hand propped mine as my battery is 5 years old and does not give enough
rpm to fire the ducati ignition - you need about 275 rpm min to get a fire.
Dave
--------
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| Subject: | re: wheel tracking |
well it dos feel squirrelly on landing I will look into taking measurements
to decide- if one is out of tow moor than the other. and i have already
turned the tires around thank you for youre input- mal
Malcolm Brubaker
=0AMichigan Sport
=0APilot Repair
=0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS
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--- On Sat, 2/20/10, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
From: Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
As usual Lowell you are spot on!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: February 20, 2010 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
Malcolm,
I calculated total toe in as you gave a measurement that gave total
difference front to back of your rods.- I think Noel gave the toe in for
each wheel.- His combined would be 2.25=B0, which is close to my calculat
ion.
I have done several such measurements on different landing gear sets and th
e
right and left are usually not the same.- I have found on occasion that t
he
total discrepancy is on one gear leg alone.
Regarding your question, I think I would go on the feel of the airplane on
landing - if it doesn't feel squirrely to you, I would ignore it.- If you
are concerned with tire wear, you might consider tweaking it, but that
procedure can be a challenge.- What you might do is remount the tires so
you
will wear the opposite side.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malcolm Brubaker" <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
i did back the plane in the hanger then took of the tires and rime and used
the wheel hubs for the straight edge. should I put the wheels back on and
push the plane into the hanger then take the wheels off to take the
measurements? and once again was your calculations 1.25 or 2.78deg off and
at 1.25 deg will the tires wear badly?
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
Noel,
I just drew a 72" line with approximately 2-5/16 offset and had the program
calculate the angle. My guess was that original measurements were eyeballed
and and that is what I did on the computer. It has been over 50 years since
I had trig, so the cosine stuff was way out of my league.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>
> Just out of curiosity Lowell did you use the straight forward distance as
> the 72"or the hypotenuse as 72"?
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
> Sent: February 19, 2010 12:27 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>
>
> I put the 3-5/16" over 72" in my drawing program and it comes out to be
> 2.79=B0
>
> Lowell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>
>
>> Whether you want toe in or toe out depends on whether you have
>> conventional
>> gear or tricycle gear.
>>
>>
>>
>> On conventional gear toe in will make the plane very squirrely while
>> landing. If the tail goes one side or other on landing the main gear
>> will
>> swerve the opposite direction this can lead to a ground loop.
>>
>>
>>
>> On tricycle gear toe in is not really necessary as the CG of the plane
>> tends
>> to keep things straight. However some planes do have a little toe in to
>> help assist in keeping the plane straight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Either way toe in or toe out the shift from straight is usually about 1
>> degree max.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are worried about your bungee gear not being able to handle a
>> little
>> toe out then you better stay away from grass strips where it will get fa
r
>> more workout. These are very light planes and if your tires are wearing
>> on
>> the outside it sounds to me like you have way too much toe in.
>>
>>
>>
>> My plane a model III-A ( That is what it was sold as by Denney) The toe
>> in
>> can only be changes by de-tempering the welds of the legs, using brute
>> force, then re-tempering the joints. If your axel stub is bolted to the
>> leg/s then I assume you do have a spring leg.
>>
>>
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PMorel
>> Sent: February 18, 2010 12:45 PM
>> To: brubakermal@yahoo.com; kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
>>
>>
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
>>
>>
>> Before you consider attempting to change the tracking of your wheels,
>> consider this. What I'm talking about is the gear leg that uses bungee
>> cords and not the grove gear. With bungee cords, the gear is toe in to
>> keep
>> the bungee cords from extending and wheels spreading outward during taxi
>> and
>> take-off. Naturally, if the wheels were toe out, then the gears would
>> want
>> to spread out and the bungee cords would stretch. The perfect scenario
>> would be to have a straight track, but even with that, I think you may b
e
>> looking for a potential problem. You need to decide if replacement of
>> the
>> tires and expense outweighs the possibility of bungee cord breaking and
>> more
>> expensive damage and repairs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Morel
>>
>> Model IV Speedster
>>
>> Locust Grove GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax spark plugs) |
Thanks for that info, Mike....I hadn't heard of that before.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 857.5 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~143 to go(153 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Perkins, Mike wrote:
> Better than silicon grease for you might be silver grease. Its
> used on the CPU coolers of PCs, is twice as effective as silicone
> grease, and you dont have to worry about silicone contamination
> with the silver grease. Local PC shops sell small tubes of it and
> its available by googling silver thermal paste. Just a thought.
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| Subject: | re: wheel tracking |
Guys,
Not trying to be controversial or say I know better than anyone else how to
setup gear legs, just my 2 cents worth on what I did on my last model 4 with
bungee gear and I was pleased with the handling results. I set my wheels so
they were between straight and slightly toed out. My reasoning was based off
some experience I had racing snowmobile ovals. The reason being as you
entered a corner and if your weight got shifted hard to the outside of the
sled for whatever reason (which sometimes would happen hitting ruts and
holes) you did not want that outside ski to dart the sled back to the inside
since your weight was already headed in the other direction, it would
jettison you from the sled for sure. My thoughts were to apply the same
thinking to the tail dragger, if you get a little squirrelly on landing and
the plane rocks to the outside and loads that gear, I did not want it
darting the plane back the other way. So that is why I set up my gear as
such. It worked great for me. I have landed my 4 at a variety of paved
strips in cross winds of 15 gusting to 20 (that's another story) and have
never had a problem with ground handling or the plane getting squirrely on
me. But as has been stated here before, in the end it is all about what
works for you and experimenting with what is not working to get results you
are happy with, so with that said, here is something else to consider /
ponder as you seek the perfect setup. Also, I have heard it said that
setting up the gear slightly toed out would cause your bungee gear to track
out and slightly collapse the gear, for me I did not find that to be the
case, however, my build was 537 pounds empty.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912uls IVO IFA
Northern mi. /
A work in progress
well it dos feel squirrelly on landing I will look into taking measurements
to decide if one is out of tow moor than the other. and i have already
turned the tires around thank you for youre input mal
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
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| Subject: | re: wheel tracking |
Guys,
Not trying to be controversial or say I know better than anyone else how to
setup gear legs, just my 2 cents worth on what I did on my last model 4 with
bungee gear and I was pleased with the handling results. I set my wheels so
they were between straight and slightly toed out. My reasoning was based off
some experience I had racing snowmobile ovals. The reason being as you
entered a corner and if your weight got shifted hard to the outside of the
sled for whatever reason (which sometimes would happen hitting ruts and
holes) you did not want that outside ski to dart the sled back to the inside
since your weight was already headed in the other direction, it would
jettison you from the sled for sure. My thoughts were to apply the same
thinking to the tail dragger, if you get a little squirrelly on landing and
the plane rocks to the outside and loads that gear, I did not want it
darting the plane back the other way. So that is why I set up my gear as
such. It worked great for me. I have landed my 4 at a variety of paved
strips in cross winds of 15 gusting to 20 (that's another story) and have
never had a problem with ground handling or the plane getting squirrely on
me. But as has been stated here before, in the end it is all about what
works for you and experimenting with what is not working to get results you
are happy with, so with that said, here is something else to consider /
ponder as you seek the perfect setup. Also, I have heard it said that
setting up the gear slightly toed out would cause your bungee gear to track
out and slightly collapse the gear, for me I did not find that to be the
case, however, my build was 537 pounds empty.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912uls IVO IFA
Northern mi. /
A work in progress
well it dos feel squirrelly on landing I will look into taking measurements
to decide if one is out of tow moor than the other. and i have already
turned the tires around thank you for youre input mal
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
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| Subject: | Re: Clear tubing |
I decided to go with Tygon clear and just figure on changing it out
every couple of years. Might be best that was anyhow. I found 25 feet
of 1/4" ID online for $30 including shipping so I figure that it will
last me for a lot of annuals.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
Previously Model 2 400 hours #606
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
Found it, Dick. Thanks. However, the price has gone up a bit to
$3.29 a foot. Is this the same stuff you're talking about?
http://www.mcmaster.com/#5046k13/=5wxi8w
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@aol.com
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clear tubing
Deke
I found the Tygon SE-200 tubing at McMaster-Carr. Go online and you
will find it for about $2.56 per ft (plus shipping of course)
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: re: wheel tracking |
As long as you brought it up. I Agree! I flew an Aeronca Chief for a
while that had one main a bit toed in. Every time the weight shifted to
that side the wheel wanted to track right under the nose and th opposite
wing tip would head for the sky. Was fine in a crosswind as long as it
was from the correct side. ;o) Larry Huntley 4-1200 Soob 500hrs+
----- Original Message -----
From: Cudnohufsky's
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
Guys,
Not trying to be controversial or say I know better than anyone else
how to setup gear legs, just my 2 cents worth on what I did on my last
model 4 with bungee gear and I was pleased with the handling results. I
set my wheels so they were between straight and slightly toed out. My
reasoning was based off some experience I had racing snowmobile ovals.
The reason being as you entered a corner and if your weight got shifted
hard to the outside of the sled for whatever reason (which sometimes
would happen hitting ruts and holes) you did not want that outside ski
to dart the sled back to the inside since your weight was already headed
in the other direction, it would jettison you from the sled for sure. My
thoughts were to apply the same thinking to the tail dragger, if you get
a little squirrelly on landing and the plane rocks to the outside and
loads that gear, I did not want it darting the plane back the other way.
So that is why I set up my gear as such. It worked great for me. I have
landed my 4 at a variety of paved strips in cross winds of 15 gusting to
20 (that's another story) and have never had a problem with ground
handling or the plane getting squirrely on me. But as has been stated
here before, in the end it is all about what works for you and
experimenting with what is not working to get results you are happy
with, so with that said, here is something else to consider / ponder as
you seek the perfect setup. Also, I have heard it said that setting up
the gear slightly toed out would cause your bungee gear to track out and
slightly collapse the gear, for me I did not find that to be the case,
however, my build was 537 pounds empty.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912uls IVO IFA
Northern mi. /
A work in progress
well it dos feel squirrelly on landing I will look into taking
measurements to decide if one is out of tow moor than the other. and i
have already turned the tires around thank you for youre input mal
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
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| Subject: | Re: re: wheel tracking |
Nice airplane Lloyd. I agree with your assessment 100 percent and you
explained it very well. I personally wouldn't recommend that anyone
with a taildragger have any toe-in at all. Zero. Neutral to a little
toe-out is best, in my opinion.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: Cudnohufsky's
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
Guys,
Not trying to be controversial or say I know better than anyone else
how to setup gear legs, just my 2 cents worth on what I did on my last
model 4 with bungee gear and I was pleased with the handling results. I
set my wheels so they were between straight and slightly toed out. My
reasoning was based off some experience I had racing snowmobile ovals.
The reason being as you entered a corner and if your weight got shifted
hard to the outside of the sled for whatever reason (which sometimes
would happen hitting ruts and holes) you did not want that outside ski
to dart the sled back to the inside since your weight was already headed
in the other direction, it would jettison you from the sled for sure. My
thoughts were to apply the same thinking to the tail dragger, if you get
a little squirrelly on landing and the plane rocks to the outside and
loads that gear, I did not want it darting the plane back the other way.
So that is why I set up my gear as such. It worked great for me. I have
landed my 4 at a variety of paved strips in cross winds of 15 gusting to
20 (that's another story) and have never had a problem with ground
handling or the plane getting squirrely on me. But as has been stated
here before, in the end it is all about what works for you and
experimenting with what is not working to get results you are happy
with, so with that said, here is something else to consider / ponder as
you seek the perfect setup. Also, I have heard it said that setting up
the gear slightly toed out would cause your bungee gear to track out and
slightly collapse the gear, for me I did not find that to be the case,
however, my build was 537 pounds empty.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912uls IVO IFA
Northern mi. /
A work in progress
well it dos feel squirrelly on landing I will look into taking
measurements to decide if one is out of tow moor than the other. and i
have already turned the tires around thank you for youre input mal
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
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With the throttle all the way out it will idle a little below 2000 which is way
lower then I manually set idle, about 2600-3000. I may just have to look into
a primer. When one was not installed when I bought the plane I guess I just
figured it wasn't needed on this engine. Probably has more to do with the fact
that it was built in South Florida, huh?
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Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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| Subject: | Re: re: wheel tracking |
LLoyd,
I couildn't agree more. I also like the illustration with the snowmobiles -
a perfect example. And a very nice looking airplane - I like the scheme.
I am getting ready to paint and all bets are still on the table.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
> Guys,
>
> Not trying to be controversial or say I know better than anyone else how
> to
> setup gear legs, just my 2 cents worth on what I did on my last model 4
> with
> bungee gear and I was pleased with the handling results. I set my wheels
> so
> they were between straight and slightly toed out. My reasoning was based
> off
> some experience I had racing snowmobile ovals. The reason being as you
> entered a corner and if your weight got shifted hard to the outside of the
> sled for whatever reason (which sometimes would happen hitting ruts and
> holes) you did not want that outside ski to dart the sled back to the
> inside
> since your weight was already headed in the other direction, it would
> jettison you from the sled for sure. My thoughts were to apply the same
> thinking to the tail dragger, if you get a little squirrelly on landing
> and
> the plane rocks to the outside and loads that gear, I did not want it
> darting the plane back the other way. So that is why I set up my gear as
> such. It worked great for me. I have landed my 4 at a variety of paved
> strips in cross winds of 15 gusting to 20 (that's another story) and have
> never had a problem with ground handling or the plane getting squirrely on
> me. But as has been stated here before, in the end it is all about what
> works for you and experimenting with what is not working to get results
> you
> are happy with, so with that said, here is something else to consider /
> ponder as you seek the perfect setup. Also, I have heard it said that
> setting up the gear slightly toed out would cause your bungee gear to
> track
> out and slightly collapse the gear, for me I did not find that to be the
> case, however, my build was 537 pounds empty.
>
> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
>
> Model 5 912uls IVO IFA
> Northern mi. /
>
> A work in progress
>
>
> well it dos feel squirrelly on landing I will look into taking
> measurements
> to decide if one is out of tow moor than the other. and i have already
> turned the tires around thank you for youre input mal
>
> Malcolm Brubaker
> Michigan Sport
> Pilot Repair
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> (989)513-3022
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 01:34:00
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Start Up Procedures |
Exactly, James. The farther north the more you need a primer. Up here in
northern Michigan it's a must. If you're jetted right and get the hang of a
primer it'll start almost immediately each time no matter how cold. I've
often wondered why they aren't used on 912x , or are they.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New Start Up Procedures
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> With the throttle all the way out it will idle a little below 2000 which
> is way lower then I manually set idle, about 2600-3000. I may just have
> to look into a primer. When one was not installed when I bought the plane
> I guess I just figured it wasn't needed on this engine. Probably has more
> to do with the fact that it was built in South Florida, huh?
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
> The ink is still drying on my new certificate
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287552#287552
>
>
>
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| Subject: | re: wheel tracking |
Deke,
Thanks for the compliment. That was my Model 4 XL, attached is a pic of my
Model 5 I am working on. (Shooting to have it in the air this summer) It is
a little bit farther along than the picture. Tail feathers, wheel pants and
cowl are on and the cowl painted. I have one wing to finish repairs on and
paint and both wingtips to repair. I am currently installing the IVO IFA
Prop, I'm changing the brush location for the prop pitch motor so it is
transferred through the hollow gearbox main shaft to behind the gearbox.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912ul IVO IFA
Northern mi. /
A work in progress
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
Nice airplane Lloyd. I agree with your assessment 100 percent and you
explained it very well. I personally wouldn't recommend that anyone with a
taildragger have any toe-in at all. Zero. Neutral to a little toe-out is
best, in my opinion.
Deke
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Lowell,
Thanks for the compliments, I enjoyed the time I spent designing and
painting the plane and am enjoying designing and applying the paint scheme
to the model 5 I am building now as well. I look forward to seeing what you
come up with, I have seen allot of beautiful and creative designs come off
this list, (and to be honest I have borrowed and built on a few)
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Model 5 912ul IVO IFA
Northern Mi.
A work in Progress
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
LLoyd,
I couildn't agree more. I also like the illustration with the snowmobiles -
a perfect example. And a very nice looking airplane - I like the scheme.
I am getting ready to paint and all bets are still on the table.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: re: wheel tracking
> Guys,
>
> Not trying to be controversial or say I know better than anyone else how
> to
> setup gear legs, just my 2 cents worth on what I did on my last model 4
> with
> bungee gear and I was pleased with the handling results. I set my wheels
> so
> they were between straight and slightly toed out. My reasoning was based
> off
> some experience I had racing snowmobile ovals. The reason being as you
> entered a corner and if your weight got shifted hard to the outside of the
> sled for whatever reason (which sometimes would happen hitting ruts and
> holes) you did not want that outside ski to dart the sled back to the
> inside
> since your weight was already headed in the other direction, it would
> jettison you from the sled for sure. My thoughts were to apply the same
> thinking to the tail dragger, if you get a little squirrelly on landing
> and
> the plane rocks to the outside and loads that gear, I did not want it
> darting the plane back the other way. So that is why I set up my gear as
> such. It worked great for me. I have landed my 4 at a variety of paved
> strips in cross winds of 15 gusting to 20 (that's another story) and have
> never had a problem with ground handling or the plane getting squirrely on
> me. But as has been stated here before, in the end it is all about what
> works for you and experimenting with what is not working to get results
> you
> are happy with, so with that said, here is something else to consider /
> ponder as you seek the perfect setup. Also, I have heard it said that
> setting up the gear slightly toed out would cause your bungee gear to
> track
> out and slightly collapse the gear, for me I did not find that to be the
> case, however, my build was 537 pounds empty.
>
> Lloyd Cudnohufsky
>
> Model 5 912uls IVO IFA
> Northern mi. /
>
> A work in progress
>
>
> well it dos feel squirrelly on landing I will look into taking
> measurements
> to decide if one is out of tow moor than the other. and i have already
> turned the tires around thank you for youre input mal
>
> Malcolm Brubaker
> Michigan Sport
> Pilot Repair
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> (989)513-3022
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 01:34:00
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Start Up Procedures |
I don't have a primer on my 912. I haven't had a situation where I needed one
to start this winter. Having a good, fully charged, battery helps, too.
(I've put on over 20 hours of ski flying, so far this winter with many cold starts.)
--------
Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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| Subject: | 582 Start Up Procedure |
Full choke, about six squirts on the primer, crank and advance throttle abo
ut 1 inch. When she catches, immediately retard throttle and idle at-half
choke while it warms a bit. If she tries to quit, give a few more squirts
on the primer. For me this starts it right up every time regardless of weat
her. Oh ...-did I say-CDI's on? ;-)
-
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model 2 582-90 C-Box w/clutch
--- On Sun, 2/21/10, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: New Start Up Procedures
l>
Anyone have any great starting tips for a 582?- Mine can be a real pain i
f the temps get below about 60.
--------
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Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop
The ink is still drying on my new certificate
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