---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/22/10: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:22 AM - Re: Exhaust stud thread lock (Catz631@AOL.COM) 2. 05:34 AM - Re: Clear tubing (Catz631@aol.com) 3. 05:54 AM - Re: Re: New Start Up ProceduresNew Start Up Procedures (Catz631@aol.com) 4. 08:35 AM - Re: 582 Start Up Procedure (WurlyBird) 5. 10:22 AM - C-Box w/clutch. WAS 582 Start Up Procedure (Marco Menezes) 6. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: New Start Up Procedures (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:00 AM PST US From: Catz631@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Exhaust stud thread lock Pete, I just went thru the same thing and 4 of my studs came out. I ordered new studs and nuts from LEAF. The studs are supposed to be put back with Locktite 2701 and torqued to 70 inch lbs( I believe) Check the torque as specified in the parts manual. I called Fastenall,our local supplier of Locktite,and he did not have the 2701. He called Locktite and found out the 2701 was a special mixture and was very expensive. The Locktite guy told him that 271 was very close chemically so that is what I bought. Theoretically you are supposed to replace the exhaust nuts when you remove them. My exhaust nuts were stuck to the stud as yours were and I had thought about just applying the Locktite and screwing them back in but they were pretty grody so I decided to do the right thing with new studs and exhaust nuts. Be sure you follow the Rotax SB on torque's and exhaust flange clearances. I don't recall the number but you will find it @ _rotax-owner.com_ (rotax-owner.com) Dick Maddux Fox 4 912UL Milton,Fl ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:35 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Clear tubing Deke, That is the tubing I am using. Order enough so that if you snag the internal liner putting it over the barbed fitting, you can replace the piece of tubing. I snagged the liner on the first piece I used but was able to successfully get the others on by polishing the barb and using a silicone grease product (very sparingly) to lubricate the barb. Dick Maddux Milton,Fl ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:03 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New Start Up ProceduresNew Start Up Procedures Deke, Primers are used on 912's. I have one on mine and the starting carbs(choke) are wired in the off position. I bought the plane this way from a guy in Mass. I had thought about reactivating the choke system (in fact I bought the cables,etc) because I certainly wouldn't need the primer here in Florida...Right? However, the system works so well for start, I decided to keep it. The only disadvantage I can see is not having the choke available to troubleshoot possible carburetor problems. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Rotax 912 UL Milton,Fl ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:59 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Start Up Procedure From: "WurlyBird" Marco, I see you are using a clutch on the 582. I thought about this since it is supposed to make low RPM idle very nice but I decided against it since I would have no way to manually advance the engine for checking the cylinders, hand propping, etc. Have you found this to be an issue or does it not affect your flying? -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop The ink is still drying on my new certificate Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287645#287645 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:48 AM PST US From: Marco Menezes Subject: Kitfox-List: C-Box w/clutch. WAS 582 Start Up Procedure James, - I haven't had the occasion to need to-manually advance the engine for ins pection or otherwise. I just "bump" the starter. The clutch does make it st art easier and "idle" much smoother although I've had problems rejetting an d adjusting the idle low enough (below 2500 rpm) to keep the prop from enga ging. As soon as it's warmed up, it idles at about 2500 and the prop spins away. I've learned to live with it. - My main concern is the engine out situation, drag-and drastically increas ed sink-rate that I expect will result from a free-wheeling prop. One of th ese days I'll climb to-about 5000-agl (over the field), cut power and d iscover exactly what happens. Alot of people have speculated on this but I don't think we have any real data on it yet. - Marco Menezes N99KX Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch Hersey, MI --- On Mon, 2/22/10, WurlyBird wrote: From: WurlyBird Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 582 Start Up Procedure l> Marco, I see you are using a clutch on the 582.- I thought about this sin ce it is supposed to make low RPM idle very nice but I decided against it s ince I would have no way to manually advance the engine for checking the cy linders, hand propping, etc.- Have you found this to be an issue or does it not affect your flying? -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / GSC prop The ink is still drying on my new certificate Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287645#287645 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:31 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: New Start Up Procedures At 03:28 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: >With the throttle all the way out it will idle a little below 2000 >which is way lower then I manually set idle, about 2600-3000. I may >just have to look into a primer. You guys must not be running clutches. I idle at 1500 and have no problem starting at any temperature the battery will support. (Down to about 25F here in sunny SoCal.) I use the standard choke. Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.