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1. 02:50 AM - Re: Matco brakes (dave)
2. 05:25 AM - Re: Matco brakes (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 07:49 AM - Northstar problems (fox5flyer)
4. 11:47 AM - Re: Northstar problems (Lynn Matteson)
5. 02:33 PM - Re: Northstar problems (vetdrem)
6. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Northstar problems (Lynn Matteson)
7. 03:56 PM - Re: Northstar problems (vetdrem)
8. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Northstar problems (Lynn Matteson)
9. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Northstar problems (Noel Loveys)
10. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Northstar problems (larry huntley)
11. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: Northstar problems (Lynn Matteson)
12. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: Northstar problems (Lynn Matteson)
13. 08:46 PM - Re: Northstar problems (Zimmermans)
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| Subject: | Re: Matco brakes |
Dick,
Sounds to me that you have tailwheel issues if you brake hold on full power run
up.
Keep your tailwheel lubed well and take apart and make sure the notch is still
got square edges rr it will break way too easy. But you brakes should still be
able to turn you.
My Aerocet amphibs use to be hard to turn as well until I re-designed the nose
gear pivots and made them rotate freely from any position.
The tailwheel Kitfox should be very easy to turn once it breaks free and you should
be able to easily change direction with brakes.
ALso -if the calipers do not slide easily then braking diminishes.
MOre ski flying here and a search and rescue from a kitfox LOL for a busted ski doo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps7u_-LlEl4
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| Subject: | Re: Matco brakes |
Thanks for all the tips guys! I will work on my tailwheel and the brakes. I
have the 1/8 inch line that Roger was talking about but was not sure it
would really help. If it does, then I will proceed with that work and double
check my discs/pads which appeared to be OK during my recent annual.
Right now, I am taking advantage of the good weather (which doesn't last
long) to fly my airplane.
I just bought an MGL clock/timer/OAT to stick in the open hole left by my
Northstar F 210 that crapped out again a couple of months ago. I have gone
thru two transducers in less than 50 hrs flying time. I am somewhat tempted
to try it for a third time because I liked having it but I know it is totally
illogical as it would probably break again. I had it mounted above my
gascolater in the engine compartment. I think the heat got to it. I had it
wrapped with heat reflective cloth but it's home was about 4 inches from the
muffler. Other than the heat it was in a perfect spot and I really don't have
another place to put it without bugering up the nice fuel plumbing system I
have in my airplane. Has anyone run it in a horizontal position and have it
last? I could do that.
I know one thing, with the rotor jammed in the transducer, it still feeds
fuel fine. Both of my failed transponders had a jammed rotor.
HHmmmm..lets see, I have a 2 inch hole in my panel for the Northstar and
it will be a pain to enlarge it to 2 1/4 for the clock. Maybe I will cut a 2
1/4 inch hole next to it for the clock and try the Northstar again. Anyone
know where to get a Northstar transponder cheap? Just thinking.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
912 UL
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Northstar problems |
Dick, mine is Floscan, not a Northstar so this may not help much. The
transducers may or may not be the same, but I mounted mine horizontally
under the seat purposely to keep it away from heat, something Floscan
recommended. I replaced the transducer at the 4 year point because the
fuel additives rotted the rubber parts and it was replaced by Floscan
with a newer version that used different materials. That was six years
ago and still working fine. I suspect your location near the muffler
may be the main cause of your problems. Lots of heat there.
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
Previously Model 2 582 400 Hrs
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
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...snip...
I just bought an MGL clock/timer/OAT to stick in the open hole left
by my Northstar F 210 that crapped out again a couple of months ago. I
have gone thru two transducers in less than 50 hrs flying time. I am
somewhat tempted to try it for a third time because I liked having it
but I know it is totally illogical as it would probably break again. I
had it mounted above my gascolater in the engine compartment. I think
the heat got to it. I had it wrapped with heat reflective cloth but it's
home was about 4 inches from the muffler. Other than the heat it was in
a perfect spot and I really don't have another place to put it without
bugering up the nice fuel plumbing system I have in my airplane. Has
anyone run it in a horizontal position and have it last? I could do
that.
I know one thing, with the rotor jammed in the transducer, it still
feeds fuel fine. Both of my failed transponders had a jammed rotor.
HHmmmm..lets see, I have a 2 inch hole in my panel for the Northstar
and it will be a pain to enlarge it to 2 1/4 for the clock. Maybe I will
cut a 2 1/4 inch hole next to it for the clock and try the Northstar
again. Anyone know where to get a Northstar transponder cheap? Just
thinking.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
912 UL
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
In fact, don't the Northstar instructions specifically say to mount
away from heat? And if it's 4 inches away from the muffler, and above
the gascolator, it sounds like the gascolator is awfully close to the
muffler for whatever that's worth. Why a gascolator anyway in a
Kitfox? The header tank serves me well for that function, and has for
over 4 years. My Northstar transducer functions well inside the
cabin, under the console, but at about a 50-60 degree upward angle.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
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On Mar 9, 2010, at 10:48 AM, fox5flyer wrote:
> Dick, mine is Floscan, not a Northstar so this may not help much.
> The transducers may or may not be the same, but I mounted mine
> horizontally under the seat purposely to keep it away from heat,
> something Floscan recommended. I replaced the transducer at the 4
> year point because the fuel additives rotted the rubber parts and
> it was replaced by Floscan with a newer version that used different
> materials. That was six years ago and still working fine. I
> suspect your location near the muffler may be the main cause of
> your problems. Lots of heat there.
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> Previously Model 2 582 400 Hrs
> "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara
> Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
> -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> ...snip...
> I just bought an MGL clock/timer/OAT to stick in the open hole
> left by my Northstar F 210 that crapped out again a couple of
> months ago. I have gone thru two transducers in less than 50 hrs
> flying time. I am somewhat tempted to try it for a third time
> because I liked having it but I know it is totally illogical as it
> would probably break again. I had it mounted above my gascolater in
> the engine compartment. I think the heat got to it. I had it
> wrapped with heat reflective cloth but it's home was about 4 inches
> from the muffler. Other than the heat it was in a perfect spot and
> I really don't have another place to put it without bugering up the
> nice fuel plumbing system I have in my airplane. Has anyone run it
> in a horizontal position and have it last? I could do that.
> I know one thing, with the rotor jammed in the transducer, it still
> feeds fuel fine. Both of my failed transponders had a jammed rotor.
> HHmmmm..lets see, I have a 2 inch hole in my panel for the
> Northstar and it will be a pain to enlarge it to 2 1/4 for the
> clock. Maybe I will cut a 2 1/4 inch hole next to it for the clock
> and try the Northstar again. Anyone know where to get a Northstar
> transponder cheap? Just thinking.
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4
> 912 UL
> Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
Lynn, a header tank does not act at all like a gasolator. A gasolator is designed
to be a low spot in the system to collect water and other contamination that
gets into the fuel system. Fuel enters the from the center of the top, and
exits through a screen that is above the bowl and out the outlet fitting on
the top of the housing. During the pre-flight inspection, a small sample is drawn
off the bottom of the gasolator and examined for contamination.
The header tank is a reservoir for fuel to ensure that there is supply of fuel
to the engine at any (normal ) flight attitude. A steep turn can uncover the
outlet port of a wing tank, and cause fuel starvation. But because there is
a header tank, the engine has a gallon or so to use until the wings get leveled
again. The outlet of the header tank is on the bottom of the tank, so any contamination
that enters just passes right on through.
Both components are a good idea.
Louie
Model 3 912ul
Houghton Lake, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
On the contrary, Louie, the fuel outlet is NOT on the bottom of my
Kitfox (circa 1994) header tank. My fuel outlet, and I suspect that
many other Kitfox header tanks are the same, is about one inch...at
least...up from the bottom. This location insures that any
contamination will drop to the bottom of the header tank, and will
empty out into the sumping collection device. It works just like you
described for the gascolator, except that its holding capacity is
much larger. One good header tank and a couple of Purolator see-
through fuel filters placed before the header tank and you've just
saved the under-the-cowl "good idea." Everything you mentioned about
the gascolator....."designed to be a low spot in the system to
collect water and other contamination"....."During the pre-flight
inspection, a small sample is drawn off the bottom".....exactly
describes the function of MY header tank in MY installation.
You did a good job of describing everything except for the fact that
the header tank....MY stock header tank from the old Skystar
company....does NOT have its outlet "on the bottom."
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:32 PM, vetdrem wrote:
>
> Lynn, a header tank does not act at all like a gasolator. A
> gasolator is designed to be a low spot in the system to collect
> water and other contamination that gets into the fuel system. Fuel
> enters the from the center of the top, and exits through a screen
> that is above the bowl and out the outlet fitting on the top of the
> housing. During the pre-flight inspection, a small sample is drawn
> off the bottom of the gasolator and examined for contamination.
> The header tank is a reservoir for fuel to ensure that there is
> supply of fuel to the engine at any (normal ) flight attitude. A
> steep turn can uncover the outlet port of a wing tank, and cause
> fuel starvation. But because there is a header tank, the engine
> has a gallon or so to use until the wings get leveled again. The
> outlet of the header tank is on the bottom of the tank, so any
> contamination that enters just passes right on through.
> Both components are a good idea.
>
> Louie
> Model 3 912ul
> Houghton Lake, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289835#289835
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
Cool. Glad you're comfortable with it. My header tank outlet is also about an
inch off the bottom, but I don't have a sample point there, so the gasolator
in my plane is the place for trying to ensure clean fuel to the engine.
Louie
Model 3
912ul
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
Your header tank doesn't have a drain port / sampling point in the
very bottom? Boy, the inspector must've been asleep the day that one
left the factory. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Mar 9, 2010, at 6:56 PM, vetdrem wrote:
>
> Cool. Glad you're comfortable with it. My header tank outlet is
> also about an inch off the bottom, but I don't have a sample point
> there, so the gasolator in my plane is the place for trying to
> ensure clean fuel to the engine.
>
> Louie
> Model 3
> 912ul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289848#289848
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
Lynn:
Your header, with larger plumbing, could be a gascolator for an A380. ;-)
Just reverse the in and out lines.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: March 9, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Northstar problems
On the contrary, Louie, the fuel outlet is NOT on the bottom of my
Kitfox (circa 1994) header tank. My fuel outlet, and I suspect that
many other Kitfox header tanks are the same, is about one inch...at
least...up from the bottom. This location insures that any
contamination will drop to the bottom of the header tank, and will
empty out into the sumping collection device. It works just like you
described for the gascolator, except that its holding capacity is
much larger. One good header tank and a couple of Purolator see-
through fuel filters placed before the header tank and you've just
saved the under-the-cowl "good idea." Everything you mentioned about
the gascolator....."designed to be a low spot in the system to
collect water and other contamination"....."During the pre-flight
inspection, a small sample is drawn off the bottom".....exactly
describes the function of MY header tank in MY installation.
You did a good job of describing everything except for the fact that
the header tank....MY stock header tank from the old Skystar
company....does NOT have its outlet "on the bottom."
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:32 PM, vetdrem wrote:
>
> Lynn, a header tank does not act at all like a gasolator. A
> gasolator is designed to be a low spot in the system to collect
> water and other contamination that gets into the fuel system. Fuel
> enters the from the center of the top, and exits through a screen
> that is above the bowl and out the outlet fitting on the top of the
> housing. During the pre-flight inspection, a small sample is drawn
> off the bottom of the gasolator and examined for contamination.
> The header tank is a reservoir for fuel to ensure that there is
> supply of fuel to the engine at any (normal ) flight attitude. A
> steep turn can uncover the outlet port of a wing tank, and cause
> fuel starvation. But because there is a header tank, the engine
> has a gallon or so to use until the wings get leveled again. The
> outlet of the header tank is on the bottom of the tank, so any
> contamination that enters just passes right on through.
> Both components are a good idea.
>
> Louie
> Model 3 912ul
> Houghton Lake, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289835#289835
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
None on my 4-1200. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Northstar problems
>
> Your header tank doesn't have a drain port / sampling point in the
> very bottom? Boy, the inspector must've been asleep the day that one
> left the factory. : )
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go)
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2010, at 6:56 PM, vetdrem wrote:
>
>>
>> Cool. Glad you're comfortable with it. My header tank outlet is
>> also about an inch off the bottom, but I don't have a sample point
>> there, so the gasolator in my plane is the place for trying to
>> ensure clean fuel to the engine.
>>
>> Louie
>> Model 3
>> 912ul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289848#289848
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
I'll have to have a look at the one that came with my kit to see if
it has a bottom drain port. After I got my kit and started building
it, I found that the later kits moved the header tank from a more
rearward position (behind the baggage sack) and higher, to a (lower)
point right behind the seat, right-hand side of the plane. They also
sloped the upper one-third of the tank, so that it would fit the
slope of the seat. I had mentioned in this group that I would like to
get one of these sloped tanks, and good buddy Deke came through with
one, and that's the one I used. I'd almost forgotten about the change
of position that I made, and I've forgotten whether the original tank
had a bottom drain or not.
Well, if anybody's still building, and wants to move their header
tank, think about the convenience of having it low enough that it
acts like the world's largest "gascolator." But I would think about
getting the one with the drain port already in the bottom, because it
might be a leaking nightmare to try and install a port in that
slippery plastic stuff that they're made from.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:04 PM, larry huntley wrote:
> <asq@roadrunner.com>
>
> None on my 4-1200. Larry
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Northstar problems
>
>
>>
>> Your header tank doesn't have a drain port / sampling point in the
>> very bottom? Boy, the inspector must've been asleep the day that one
>> left the factory. : )
>>
>> Lynn Matteson
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
Looks like I'll have to sit up nights guarding my header tank from
those thievin' A380 drivers. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> Lynn:
>
> Your header, with larger plumbing, could be a gascolator for an
> A380. ;-)
> Just reverse the in and out lines.
>
> Noel
>
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| Subject: | Re: Northstar problems |
Here you can see the outlet on the front and the drain in the bottom.
Jim Series 5 0-200
21D MN
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