---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/10/10: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:00 AM - Re: Re: Northstar problems (Lynn Matteson) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: Matco brakes (Catz631@aol.com) 3. 05:45 AM - Gascolator (Catz631@aol.com) 4. 08:45 AM - Re: Northstar problems (mikeperkins) 5. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Northstar problems (Lynn Matteson) 6. 11:57 AM - Re: Gascolator (Lynn Matteson) 7. 12:11 PM - Re: Northstar problems (mikeperkins) 8. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Northstar problems (Lynn Matteson) 9. 06:23 PM - Fw: help--how to mount wingtips. (Dave G) 10. 09:04 PM - Re: Fw: help--how to mount wingtips. (Guy Buchanan) 11. 09:07 PM - 912ul Oil and Filter (Cudnohufsky's) 12. 09:57 PM - Re: 912ul Oil and Filter (paul perry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:09 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Northstar problems And on my installation, I used a plastic (PVC) floor flange of a suitable diameter cemented to the fabric below the quick drain to reinforce said fabric, and allow for sumping the header tank through a hole cut in the fabric. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006) Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go) Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer) Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) On Mar 9, 2010, at 11:45 PM, Zimmermans wrote: > Here you can see the outlet on the front and the drain in the bottom. > Jim Series 5 0-200 > 21D MN > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:54 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Matco brakes Dave, Thanks for the good info! I will get to work on that tailwheel and see if I can get the break away issue taken care of. I too think that is my major problem. Dick Maddux Milton,Fl Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:14 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Gascolator Lynn, I bought my aircraft and did not build it. It came with the gascolator. Its position on the firewall is similar to most early production aircraft (albeit in a smaller area) My header tank has the fuel outlet at the very bottom. The fuel line to the engine then T's off the short stub out of the bottom of the tank. The sampling drain is at the bottom of the T. I guess I could remove the gascolator on my firewall but don't see any reason to. It contains one more filter prior to the fuel pump. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton,Fl ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:40 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Northstar problems From: "mikeperkins" A gascolator has a fine-mesh screen, the function of which should be obvious. A header tank does not. - Mike Perkins Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289915#289915 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:11 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Northstar problems I'll bet my two Purolator glass in-line filters (before the header tank) do exactly what that fine-mesh screen does.....and if they don't, the one Purolator glass in-line filter *after* the header tank does. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006) Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go) Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer) Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:45 AM, mikeperkins wrote: > > > A gascolator has a fine-mesh screen, the function of which should > be obvious. > A header tank does not. > - Mike Perkins > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:15 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gascolator You wouldn't have any reason to remove it, but it sounded like it was awfully close to the muffler. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006) Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(137 days to go) Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer) Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) do not archive On Mar 10, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote: > Lynn, > I bought my aircraft and did not build it. It came with the > gascolator. Its position on the firewall is similar to most early > production aircraft (albeit in a smaller area) > My header tank has the fuel outlet at the very bottom. The fuel > line to the engine then T's off the short stub out of the bottom of > the tank. The sampling drain is at the bottom of the T. > I guess I could remove the gascolator on my firewall but don't see > any reason to. It contains one more filter prior to the fuel pump. > Dick Maddux > Fox 4 > Milton,Fl > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:09 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Northstar problems From: "mikeperkins" Lynn, thank you for providing me an opportunity to clarify. I wasn't comparing the use of gascolators to filters, but rather making a distinction between header tanks and gascolators - a header tank will not prevent stirred-up debris from going on downstream whereas a gascolator will. - Mike Perkins Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289944#289944 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:54 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Northstar problems Roger that, Mike. If I didn't have the header tank (to hopefully allow the debris to settle), I'd probably need the gascolator for the very purpose you describe. The reason that I have the third glass filter in-line is to capture any junk that could be going for a ride just before it goes into that seemingly pesky Northstar transducer. And, as fate would have it, my TBI contains a very fine mesh screen that Rotec calls the "last chance filter." Maybe I'm lucky, but in going on 4 years of flying this one plane, I've only had to change those Purolator filter elements once....and that was because I was embarrassed to have bought so many of the filter elements, and never saw the need to change them. They have always been so clean and clear that there didn't seem to be a point to change the elements....and all this having run 3500-4000 gallons or so through the system....100 LL, that is. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062, 875 hrs (since 3-27-2006) Countdown to 1000 hrs~125 to go(136 days to go) Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer) Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection Status: flying (and learning) On Mar 10, 2010, at 3:10 PM, mikeperkins wrote: > > > Lynn, thank you for providing me an opportunity to clarify. I > wasn't comparing the use of gascolators to filters, but rather > making a distinction between header tanks and gascolators - a > header tank will not prevent stirred-up debris from going on > downstream whereas a gascolator will. > - Mike Perkins > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289944#289944 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:25 PM PST US From: "Dave G" Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: help--how to mount wingtips. My new wingtips have arrived and I'm very pleased. Unfortunately I need someone to forward mounting instructions. On my 1991-2 Model IV 1050 the original wingtip instructions showed them pop riveted to the last rib, and a fabric finish tape over the joint. The new hit came with aluminum strips and from pictures posted here the other day I guess they are riveted (and glued) to the outer side of the rib on the inside of the capstrip. Then the wingtip is screwed to nutplates mounted on the strips? This is what I have guessed but a set of real instructions and pictures would help with rivets/bolt pitches etc. Hoping for help, thanks. Dave Goddard KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:41 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: help--how to mount wingtips. At 06:19 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: >The new hit came with aluminum strips and from pictures posted here >the other day I guess they are riveted (and glued) to the outer side >of the rib on the inside of the capstrip. Then the wingtip is >screwed to nutplates mounted on the strips? That's what I did, but I think the sexy mount is to use mini aluminum hinge. Rivet one side to the wing and the other to the wing tip and use hinge pin to hold them together. A tab welded to the hinge pin is screwed to the trailing edge. The RV and Lancair guys use this method for cowls all the time and it's really clean. There are no visible fasteners (if you do the rivets right) and there's no scalloping between the fasteners. And yes, amazingly enough they go around fairly tight corners. You couldn't do the leading edge, but you could get close enough. (My forward two fasteners are probably 3" back from the leading edge anyway.) Guy Buchanan San Diego, CA K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:01 PM PST US From: "Cudnohufsky's" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: Kitfox-List: 912ul Oil and Filter Guys, Just wondering what people are using for Oil and Filters on their 912ul engines and why you like it whether that be the Rotax Oil and filters or aftermarket alternatives. Lloyd Cudnohufsky Northern Mi. Mod 5 912ul IV IFA A work in progress Do not Archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:59 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: 912ul Oil and Filter From: "paul perry" Lloyd, there are extensive posts in the rotax forum on the subject of oil and filters , but the last post by Roger Lee about filters at http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=14122&highlight=oil+filter seems to sum up the situation best (at least for me) Since the rotax filters cost so much more than the automotive filters that are available, each owner will have to make a decision if they are really worth it, especially since many have the opinion that the rotax is really not as good as the purolator or mobil-1. I have used the rotax and the mobil-1, while the previous owner/builder used a napa-gold. I haven't had any problems with any of them, but I have only about 70hrs experience with the engine since purchasing the plane in June 2008. I use valvoline 10w-40 4 cycle motorcycle oil since I burn 100LL. If I was using no-lead gas, then I would probably go with one of the synthetic oils per rotax guidelines. If I had a warranty on my engine still in effect, then I would stick with the rotax filters, but my engine is not under warranty so I plan on using the purolator or mobil 1 filters next time because of availability and price. Paul Perry KV IV Speedster/912UL (mfg 2001 and 152hrsTT) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289994#289994 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.