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1. 07:06 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa (Noel Loveys)
2. 07:53 AM - Re: Message from Grandpa (akflyer)
3. 03:56 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa (larry huntley)
4. 05:58 PM - Fuel situation (Lynn Matteson)
5. 05:58 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa (larry huntley)
6. 06:55 PM - Re: Painting Question (Vic Baker)
7. 06:57 PM - Re: Fuel situation (fox5flyer)
8. 07:03 PM - Fw: Painting Question (Vic Baker)
9. 09:07 PM - Re: Painting Question (Patrick Reilly)
10. 09:08 PM - Re: Painting Question (Patrick Reilly)
11. 09:08 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa (larry huntley)
12. 11:56 PM - Re: Painting Question (Patrick Reilly)
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| Subject: | Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa |
Anyone can make a mistake.... I do it all the time ;-)
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Horne
Sent: March 17, 2010 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa
I have only done this two times and both were by mistake. I have been on the
kitfox
list for around five or six years and I know what to post
and what not to post. I very seldom post anything. So Dave G. don't you
worry this will not happen again.
GLENN HORNE
Kitfox Model II
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G <mailto:occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa
Glenn, I guess you have your own reasons for posting partisan political
foolishness to this list but I wish you would refrain. It's irelevent to
what this list is about. I'm sure there are lists of other republicans upset
at losing power you can lament with somewhere on the internet. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Message from Grandpa |
I like the letter, however that is not the issue :-)
One more reason to log on to the forum and post that way. If your logged on and
post through the forum format, you wont be sending out joke emails on accident
when you get a good one and forward it to your entire contacts list.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa |
Thank you Dave. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa
Glenn, I guess you have your own reasons for posting partisan
political foolishness to this list but I wish you would refrain. It's
irelevent to what this list is about. I'm sure there are lists of other
republicans upset at losing power you can lament with somewhere on the
internet. Thanks.
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Yesterday, when flying with 5 gallons (plus) of fuel in each
tank....just added the fuel before the flight....I noticed that the
clear tygon vent hose up to the right wing-tank was void of fuel.
This has happened to me before, and it usually means I haven't been
paying attention and I ran low on fuel. I usually just bank to the
left a bit, and pull back on the stick a bit, and head for the
nearest fuel supply. But this time it was different.....the fuel
wasn't filling the clear vent line like I have seen on *numerous*
occasions. And I couldn't see a high fuel reading in the sight gauge
on the right tank, which I should be able to see given that I was
banking left. When I looked at the left tank sight gauge, it showed a
very high fuel reading, which was strange because banking left should
cause that side to read low. Well, I was only 13 minutes from home,
and the low fuel warning light hadn't come on yet, so I knew I had
enough fuel to make it home even if it did....the header tank holding
at least 15 minutes worth of fuel after that light comes on in my
system. I first thought that I had forgotten to replace the cap on
the right tank, but trying to pull myself up by the "grab bars" in
the cabin wouldn't allow me to see the caps, so I gave up on that idea.
Well, I made it with room to spare, and got out and saw the LEFT tank
cap was gone....I found it on the take-off point on the runway. I had
become distracted talking to a farmer who was visiting, and forgot
that cap when I had added the fuel. What I surmised happened was that
the air being forced into the right cap pressure tube/vent had forced
the fuel out of the fuel outlet, down and through the header tank,
and up into the left-side fuel tank, which, with no gas cap, had no
air pressure acting on it from above, ( and in fact probably had a
partial vacuum acting on it) so it was an easy matter for the fuel
from the right-side tank to be pushed into it. I also imagined that
if I had filled both tanks, and left the cap off one, that for a
while air passing over the open tank might siphon fuel out,
especially with a constant feed from the other tank. Probably the
fuel would siphon only for a short time, because eventually the fuel
level would drop to a point where the siphon would be broken and fuel
would no longer be lifted by the air passing over the big hole.
After pushing the plane back into the hangar, to its' level resting
spot, I closed both down valves, and looked into the tanks. The left
tank showed full within about 1-1/2" from the top, and the right one
showed nearly bone empty. About an hour later, after opening both
down valves, the tank levels had evened out, and the sight gauges
showed about 5 gallons in each tank. These sight gauges are only
accurate at flight level, so the actual reading was not accurate, but
the comparison between the tank levels was.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 880.5 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~120 to go(128 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa |
Thank you Dave. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa
Glenn, I guess you have your own reasons for posting partisan
political foolishness to this list but I wish you would refrain. It's
irelevent to what this list is about. I'm sure there are lists of other
republicans upset at losing power you can lament with somewhere on the
internet. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
Lowell,
Using Polytone here. The blush retarder I use to slow drying (improve
gloss) makes paint prone to run unless great care is used. I shot almost
all paint (trim and main) onto horizontal surfaces. (rotate part being
painted) The spinner was especially interesting to paint. After twice
getting runs I built a little fixture to slowly rotate while drying. For
the trim I used propylene masking tape from ACS, I pulled the tape shortly
after one cross coat (perhaps no longer than 5 minutes). Again -
horizontal surfaces only - had no runs.
On the paint booth, I spent quite a bit of time trying to get it right.
Lighting, sealed motor exhaust fan, incoming air filters from a "paint
booth" supplier. I used a bunch of Lowes air filters (home heating return
duct filters) to filter to overspray out of the exhaust.
Finally, although I used a quality breathing mask, I discovered when
painting the blue trim that my beard was blue around where the mask fit. It
had been leaking all through the building process and I did not notice it.
Now, two years later, I still cannot smell MEK. You are shooting
Aerothane so I know you have a forced air supply for breathing.
Hope this helps.
Vic
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:42 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Painting Question
>
> Tomorrow or Friday latest, I plan on painting the trim colors on my
> fuselage. It has been ten years since I did the deed and want to ask for
> advice from those that have painted more recently and can remember. I am
> using Aerothane in a home made paint booth.
>
> 1. Did you rotate the fuselage and only paint horizontal surfaces?
>
> 2 when did you pull the masking tape?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lowell
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel situation |
Good report, Lynn. Similar situation happened to me, however I replaced the
cap, but didn't get both tangs locked under the lip which caused what
happened to you. Don't feel bad though. It's happened to many others here
on this list. Some have actually lost their cap in flight, never to be
found again.
It became one of my "check it twice" items.
Thanks for sharing.
Deke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel situation
>
> Yesterday, when flying with 5 gallons (plus) of fuel in each tank....just
> added the fuel before the flight....I noticed that the clear tygon vent
> hose up to the right wing-tank was void of fuel. This has happened to me
> before, and it usually means I haven't been paying attention and I ran
> low on fuel. I usually just bank to the left a bit, and pull back on the
> stick a bit, and head for the nearest fuel supply. But this time it was
> different.....the fuel wasn't filling the clear vent line like I have
> seen on *numerous* occasions. And I couldn't see a high fuel reading in
> the sight gauge on the right tank, which I should be able to see given
> that I was banking left. When I looked at the left tank sight gauge, it
> showed a very high fuel reading, which was strange because banking left
> should cause that side to read low. Well, I was only 13 minutes from
> home, and the low fuel warning light hadn't come on yet, so I knew I had
> enough fuel to make it home even if it did....the header tank holding at
> least 15 minutes worth of fuel after that light comes on in my system. I
> first thought that I had forgotten to replace the cap on the right tank,
> but trying to pull myself up by the "grab bars" in the cabin wouldn't
> allow me to see the caps, so I gave up on that idea.
>
> Well, I made it with room to spare, and got out and saw the LEFT tank cap
> was gone....I found it on the take-off point on the runway. I had become
> distracted talking to a farmer who was visiting, and forgot that cap when
> I had added the fuel. What I surmised happened was that the air being
> forced into the right cap pressure tube/vent had forced the fuel out of
> the fuel outlet, down and through the header tank, and up into the
> left-side fuel tank, which, with no gas cap, had no air pressure acting
> on it from above, ( and in fact probably had a partial vacuum acting on
> it) so it was an easy matter for the fuel from the right-side tank to be
> pushed into it. I also imagined that if I had filled both tanks, and left
> the cap off one, that for a while air passing over the open tank might
> siphon fuel out, especially with a constant feed from the other tank.
> Probably the fuel would siphon only for a short time, because eventually
> the fuel level would drop to a point where the siphon would be broken and
> fuel would no longer be lifted by the air passing over the big hole.
>
> After pushing the plane back into the hangar, to its' level resting spot,
> I closed both down valves, and looked into the tanks. The left tank
> showed full within about 1-1/2" from the top, and the right one showed
> nearly bone empty. About an hour later, after opening both down valves,
> the tank levels had evened out, and the sight gauges showed about 5
> gallons in each tank. These sight gauges are only accurate at flight
> level, so the actual reading was not accurate, but the comparison between
> the tank levels was.
>
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062, 880.5 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
> Countdown to 1000 hrs~120 to go(128 days to go)
> Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
> Sensenich 55.5" x 46" Wood (winter)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection
> Status: flying (and learning)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Painting Question |
> Lowell,
>
> Using Polytone here. The blush retarder I use to slow drying (improve
> gloss) makes paint prone to run unless great care is used. I shot almost
> all paint (trim and main) onto horizontal surfaces. (rotate part being
> painted) The spinner was especially interesting to paint. After twice
> getting runs I built a little fixture to slowly rotate while drying. For
> the trim I used propylene masking tape from ACS, I pulled the tape
> shortly after one cross coat (perhaps no longer than 5 minutes).
> Again - horizontal surfaces only - had no runs.
>
> On the paint booth, I spent quite a bit of time trying to get it right.
> Lighting, sealed motor exhaust fan, incoming air filters from a "paint
> booth" supplier. I used a bunch of Lowes air filters (home heating
> return duct filters) to filter to overspray out of the exhaust.
>
> Finally, although I used a quality breathing mask, I discovered when
> painting the blue trim that my beard was blue around where the mask fit.
> It had been leaking all through the building process and I did not notice
> it. Now, two years later, I still cannot smell MEK. You are shooting
> Aerothane so I know you have a forced air supply for breathing.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Vic
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp
> Carson City, Nv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:42 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Painting Question
>
>
>>
>> Tomorrow or Friday latest, I plan on painting the trim colors on my
>> fuselage. It has been ten years since I did the deed and want to ask for
>> advice from those that have painted more recently and can remember. I am
>> using Aerothane in a home made paint booth.
>>
>> 1. Did you rotate the fuselage and only paint horizontal surfaces?
>>
>> 2 when did you pull the masking tape?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
Vic, Did you like that propylene tape? I tried it and went back to the std
masking tape. The plastic tape streched and didn't stick as well.
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Vic Baker <vr_baker@nvbell.net> wrote:
>
> Lowell,
>
> Using Polytone here. The blush retarder I use to slow drying (improve
> gloss) makes paint prone to run unless great care is used. I shot almost
> all paint (trim and main) onto horizontal surfaces. (rotate part being
> painted) The spinner was especially interesting to paint. After twice
> getting runs I built a little fixture to slowly rotate while drying. For
> the trim I used propylene masking tape from ACS, I pulled the tape shortly
> after one cross coat (perhaps no longer than 5 minutes). Again -
> horizontal surfaces only - had no runs.
>
> On the paint booth, I spent quite a bit of time trying to get it right.
> Lighting, sealed motor exhaust fan, incoming air filters from a "paint
> booth" supplier. I used a bunch of Lowes air filters (home heating return
> duct filters) to filter to overspray out of the exhaust.
>
> Finally, although I used a quality breathing mask, I discovered when
> painting the blue trim that my beard was blue around where the mask fit. It
> had been leaking all through the building process and I did not notice it.
> Now, two years later, I still cannot smell MEK. You are shooting
> Aerothane so I know you have a forced air supply for breathing.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Vic
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp
> Carson City, Nv
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:42 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Painting Question
>
>
>>
>> Tomorrow or Friday latest, I plan on painting the trim colors on my
>> fuselage. It has been ten years since I did the deed and want to ask for
>> advice from those that have painted more recently and can remember. I am
>> using Aerothane in a home made paint booth.
>>
>> 1. Did you rotate the fuselage and only paint horizontal surfaces?
>>
>> 2 when did you pull the masking tape?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
Lowell and Vic, I used an outside air supply I built from a $40 shopvac that
you can reverse the hose to blow air. The vac was hooked to a garden hose
that fed a $30 hood that I bought on line from a safety equip supplier,
Cole-Parmer. I would recommend outside air for all painting. I didn't use an
air supply when Polybrushing and even with the garage doors open, it was
still a strong respritory and eye irritant. I won't paint without an outside
air supply. Vic that spinner paint job reminds me of painting aerodynamic
car mirrors with an elongated body. No flat spots to put horiz., Had to keep
turning them. I wound up with runs too. I can imagine wheel pants would
present the same problem. I had almost no overspray using a HVLP gun from
Harbor Freight Tool. Not the turbine air feed but the standard compressor
feed type. It was awesome dirt cheap paint equipment. I didn't need a booth.
The only thing I would change is my lighting system. It was totally
inadequate.
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Vic Baker <vr_baker@nvbell.net> wrote:
>
> Lowell,
>
> Using Polytone here. The blush retarder I use to slow drying (improve
> gloss) makes paint prone to run unless great care is used. I shot almost
> all paint (trim and main) onto horizontal surfaces. (rotate part being
> painted) The spinner was especially interesting to paint. After twice
> getting runs I built a little fixture to slowly rotate while drying. For
> the trim I used propylene masking tape from ACS, I pulled the tape shortly
> after one cross coat (perhaps no longer than 5 minutes). Again -
> horizontal surfaces only - had no runs.
>
> On the paint booth, I spent quite a bit of time trying to get it right.
> Lighting, sealed motor exhaust fan, incoming air filters from a "paint
> booth" supplier. I used a bunch of Lowes air filters (home heating return
> duct filters) to filter to overspray out of the exhaust.
>
> Finally, although I used a quality breathing mask, I discovered when
> painting the blue trim that my beard was blue around where the mask fit. It
> had been leaking all through the building process and I did not notice it.
> Now, two years later, I still cannot smell MEK. You are shooting
> Aerothane so I know you have a forced air supply for breathing.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Vic
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp
> Carson City, Nv
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:42 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Painting Question
>
>
>>
>> Tomorrow or Friday latest, I plan on painting the trim colors on my
>> fuselage. It has been ten years since I did the deed and want to ask for
>> advice from those that have painted more recently and can remember. I am
>> using Aerothane in a home made paint booth.
>>
>> 1. Did you rotate the fuselage and only paint horizontal surfaces?
>>
>> 2 when did you pull the masking tape?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa |
Made a mistake folks. Meant to thank the sender of this post. I enjoyed
it . So, I guess that would be, "Thank you, Glenn". Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Horne
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:13 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Fw: Message from Grandpa
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| Subject: | Re: Painting Question |
Lowell, If your able to rotate and paint in the flat, it sure is easier. I
did everything horizontal to avoid runs on vertical surfaces. The guys that
paint everyday can paint vertical surfaces, but it is definitely harder. You
might want to get The EAA "How to Paint Your Own Airplane" book. I used it
as reference. It states to pull tape after about 2 hours. Pull the tape
"into" the fresh paint. Also, do you know the proceedure of painting at the
tape line with the underlying base color to seal the tape to prevent
any bleed under the tape?
Pat Reilly
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Tomorrow or Friday latest, I plan on painting the trim colors on my
> fuselage. It has been ten years since I did the deed and want to ask for
> advice from those that have painted more recently and can remember. I am
> using Aerothane in a home made paint booth.
>
> 1. Did you rotate the fuselage and only paint horizontal surfaces?
>
> 2 when did you pull the masking tape?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lowell
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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