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1. 05:52 AM - Re: dent in LE (Tom Jones)
2. 07:00 AM - Re: dent in LE (dave)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Changing fuel pump (Roger Lee)
4. 09:58 AM - Re: dent in LE (jdmcbean)
5. 12:25 PM - Re: dent in LE (Noel Loveys)
6. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Changing fuel pump (Pete Christensen)
7. 02:01 PM - Re: dent in LE (egp8111)
8. 02:12 PM - Re: dent in LE (dave)
9. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: dent in LE (Marwynne Kuhn)
10. 03:54 PM - eurofox projects (Malcolm Brubaker)
11. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: dent in LE (larry huntley)
12. 04:51 PM - Re: dent in LE (Tom Jones)
13. 05:29 PM - Tail Wheel (jareds)
14. 06:14 PM - Re: Tail Wheel (369PL)
15. 06:40 PM - Re: Tail Wheel (Pete Christensen)
16. 06:44 PM - Insurance (Patrick Reilly)
17. 07:23 PM - Re: Insurance (Tom Jones)
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There is an aluminum I beam insert inside the spar. You should be able to see
the heads of the rivets that secure it under the fabric. It is about four feet
long...just going on memory...and is centered about at the strut attach bracket.
The I beam probably goes a ways out past the dent.
You can bet a look at it and have access for a bore scope by folding the wing back
and/or taking a wing tip off.
If it was I considering buying I would be concerned about there being any cracks
in the spar or damage to the I beam insert. I would also want to know how the
dent was caused.
I would find an AI and pay them to do a condition inspection. They could start
at the dent and stop right there if it is not airworthy. Then inspect the rest
of the wing paying close attention to the spar to fuselage attach reinforcements,
bolts, and fuselage lugs.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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I have to agree with Tom.
this is a structural component that is likely been compromised to some degree.
I should reduce the price of the plane at least the cost of that repair alone.
A dent 1/4 " deep would take quite sudden impact and that leaves to question
what else got bent, broken or comprised.
I would make sure that a qualified person checked it over prior to purchase. I
don't think a AME would sign off with damage like that. It is a huge repair
job.
Post a picture or email me one if you got one.
KF 3 used price can range 10 to 20 k with used 582
with 912 20 to 25 K approx
I would take off at least 5 k for wing damage if that is all there is . There
are plenty of used kitfoxes around so don't feel to pressured
Hope that helps,
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| Subject: | Re: Changing fuel pump |
Hi Pete,
I take it your talking about the mechanical pump on the right side of the gearbox.
If it is only the gasket just replace it. If it is coming out of the weep
hole the you need to replace the pump which comes with a new gasket. Nothing special
to do just use a crows foot to help torque the nuts and apply a little
anti seize to the pump plunger for that first start up so it is not dry on the
gearbox lobe. Don't glob it on, a little will due. You should be using band clamps
and not screw clamps on the hoses to secure them. The fuel line should be
fire sleeved.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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Technically speaking the spar is no longer airworthy.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of egp8111
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: dent in LE
I'm considering the purchase of a model III. It has a dent in the LE tube
located about 9in. outboard of the strut attach point. The dent itself is
about 4in. long and approx. .25in. in depth. What are the limits or
concerns on this type of damage.
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Technically speaking, nothing on an amateur built airplane is "airworthy"
but I agree with you, John, that it's definitely not safe and should be
replaced.
Noel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdmcbean
Sent: March 28, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: dent in LE
Technically speaking the spar is no longer airworthy.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of egp8111
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: dent in LE
I'm considering the purchase of a model III. It has a dent in the LE tube
located about 9in. outboard of the strut attach point. The dent itself is
about 4in. long and approx. .25in. in depth. What are the limits or
concerns on this type of damage.
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| Subject: | Re: Changing fuel pump |
Thanks Roger. It is probably leaking out of the weep hole. Looks dry
around the gasket.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Changing fuel pump
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> Hi Pete,
>
> I take it your talking about the mechanical pump on the right side of the
> gearbox. If it is only the gasket just replace it. If it is coming out of
> the weep hole the you need to replace the pump which comes with a new
> gasket. Nothing special to do just use a crows foot to help torque the
> nuts and apply a little anti seize to the pump plunger for that first
> start up so it is not dry on the gearbox lobe. Don't glob it on, a little
> will due. You should be using band clamps and not screw clamps on the
> hoses to secure them. The fuel line should be fire sleeved.
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> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
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> Read this topic online here:
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thanks everyone for the information. Is replacing the spar feasible ? If its
a really time consuming thing, maybe your time might be better spent on building
a new set of model IV wings.
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Huge job,
Un cover leading edge -- might be able salvage --likely not
maybe more damages.
I would open up and see.
to replace spar and have to remove each rib and riblet
huge job.
I would me more than 2 thousand $ labour easily from me . Total bill could see
4 to 5 $ easily.
Model IV a faster wing, some say a model 3 will out lift a IV but look at my videos
............ you tell me
model 3 have no aileron differential -- in my opinion a IV flys better.
Bette flapperon control and more useful than the model 1,2 and 3 flapperons.
Like i said --good prang like that -- might not be the only damage.
Lots for sale out there and without damage.
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I am in the process of replacing the front spar on my Model IV. It is very time
consuming . One heck of a lot of work. Knowing what I know now, I think I would
start from scratch ......... lots and lots of slow work removing the ribs
with out damaging them.
MY 2 cents
Marwynne
----- Original Message -----
From: "egp8111" <egp8111@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
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a really time consuming thing, maybe your time might be better spent on building
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| Subject: | eurofox projects |
i saw a pair of eurofox projects for sale on barnstormers anyone know anyth
ing about them?---- mal
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
--- On Sun, 3/28/10, Marwynne Kuhn <marwynne@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Marwynne Kuhn <marwynne@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
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I am in the process of replacing the front spar on my Model IV.- It is ve
ry time consuming .- One heck of a lot of work. Knowing what I know now,
I think I would start from scratch ......... lots and lots of slow work rem
oving the ribs with out damaging them.
MY 2 cents
Marwynne
----- Original Message -----
From: "egp8111" <egp8111@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
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> thanks everyone for the information.- Is replacing the spar feasible ?
- If its a really time consuming thing, maybe your time might be better s
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I have thought that sawing out the sections between the ribs and then
heating the remaining metal hot enough to release the structural epoxy would
work. ???? Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
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> I am in the process of replacing the front spar on my Model IV. It is
> very time consuming . One heck of a lot of work. Knowing what I know now,
> I think I would start from scratch ......... lots and lots of slow work
> removing the ribs with out damaging them.
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> MY 2 cents
> Marwynne
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> From: "egp8111" <egp8111@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 4:00 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
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I salvaged all the usable hardware and wood parts off a wing and built a new one
with two new spars.
A person may be able to replace just the front spar without disassembling the entire
wing.
My opinion, if a person does not already have experience building a Kitfox wing
or something similar...avoid attempting to replace a spar like the plague.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Anyone know the inner workings of a tail wheel.
Mine no longer locks into place to allow steering with rudders.
Fixable or replacable parts?
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I had the same problem. the spring for the lock had become weak. I stretched the
spring then reinstalled it. The next time I ordered parts I ordered a new one.
When I park my plane I make sure to lock the tail wheel so the spring is not
compressed so much.I think Aircraft&spruce had a parts breakdown of my tail
wheel.
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I can send you a pdf of a maul tailwheel assy.
Pete
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From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel
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> Anyone know the inner workings of a tail wheel.
> Mine no longer locks into place to allow steering with rudders.
> Fixable or replacable parts?
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KFer"s, I'm ready for 1st flight. I am fortunate in that an EAA Flight
Advisor test pilot that has 1st flighted 10 KF's lives here in Rockford. My
question is what's best way to insure. I talked to EAA they gave me a quote
from Falcon. The problem is the rep at EAA seems so short of time he isn't
helpful in communicating exactly the extent of coverage. I spoke with Avemco
and the girl there would have talked to me all day as long as I had valid
questions. Avemco cost a little more which I am willing to pay for the level
of service I got via phone. But their deductible is $1000 and Falcon's
appears to be $100. I have less than 200 hrs total and less than 20 hrs
taildragger logged so I don't qualify for an EAA discount from Falcon.
Anybody have suggestions?
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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Pat, I talked directly with Falcon. They are an insurance agent and will shop
for the best price for you. I had only 20 hrs tail wheel...all dual including
7hrs. Kitfox dual...and they got the best quote from AIG.
It was about $1300 before a 5% discount for AOPA members. That was for $20,000
hull value, $100 deductible, and one Million with 100,000 per person liability.
Coverage from 1st flight.
It had a an exclusion to 10% of agreed value deductible and a liability during
phase 1 limited to $500,000 and no liability for death or injury to passengers.
Good incentive to not bend the rules by having a passenger during phase 1.
That was three years ago. The premiums have gone down each year to $1124 this year.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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