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1. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: rotax 582 idle RPM setting (Tom Jones)
3. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Wing repair (Lowell Fitt)
4. 09:49 AM - Re: wing repair (Ed Gray)
5. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (larry huntley)
6. 06:47 PM - Re: Wing repair (Patrick Reilly)
7. 07:16 PM - Re: rotax 582 idle RPM setting (jridgway)
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Pat,
You will need a tailwheel endorsement from a CFI in your log book to be
legal to fly your aircraft as PIC.(if you don't already have it) I am assuming
your airplane is an experimental amateur built or ELSA.
I have over 15000 hours flying time and at least 2000 taildragger and
still the first few hours I am on my own until I have time in that exact type
aircraft.(at least that is what many insurance companies have told me in the
past) You can't win.
As I recall,AVEMCO was the most helpful. I took their insurance until I
had about 5 hours in the aircraft and then dropped them and went to a much
cheaper policy from an outfit in Washington State (they also use AGI) Don't
know whether it was the right thing to do until I, and I hope not, have to
collect. I had AVEMCO for my Piper Pacer (death ship.. right Leonard ?) which
was destroyed by hurricane Ivan. They paid off right away so I was very
satisfied with them!
At least you have that fine "bush gear" which will make ground handling a
much easier task.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 582 idle RPM setting |
jridgway wrote:
> I am currently idling about 2000 rpm on a cold engine. It works it way up to
2400/2500 after the engine warms up. This is really more than I want on the landing
flare. How hard is it to reduce the idle setting on the dual carbs without
messing with the jets or getting the carbs out of sync. Engine is running perfect
otherwise and I hate to screw things up.
> Jack
It's easy. On each carb make a mental note or pencil or sharpy mark on the carb
next to where the screw driver slot on the idle screw is now. Then turn the
idle screw out a quarter turn on each carb and try it.
You probably don't need to go more than one turn to get where you want. just remember
if you do so you can get the adjustments back to where they are now if
it gets screwed up.
The gear box may chatter at a lower idle when it is cold so always increase the
throttle to where it smooths out. Also increase the throttle to where it smooths
out after you touch down with it at the new lower idle setting.
Only way to learn is jump in and try it. Good to know how to adjust the carbs.
Hrere's a link to the bing carb tuning instructions.
http://www.800-airwolf.com/pdffiles/ARTICLES/part10.pdf
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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I guess it is OK to agree and disagree. I liked Brian's method of removing
the front spar. Cutting the spar into sections and then adressing each rib
individually seems to be a great idea. Doing the repair without having wing
building experience would eliminate most of us that built after about 1995
or so when the quick build wing came out. I don't see any more challenge
with the repair than building a wing, and the wing building was formerly
done many times with only an instruction manual as help. I would say,
however, if the repair guy doesn't have much experience with tools, then
look for some help somewhere. Removing the fabric? I think that would be
necessary simply from the sake of fabric integrity. It would also be good
experience for understanding and maintaining the airplane down the road.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Leach" <leach@infogen.net.nz>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing repair
>
> Dave
> I think it goes without saying that with any damage like this the fabric
> must be torn off, the entire wing inspected and the spar replaced. The
> point that I was making is that if you can carefully cut the old spar out
> without damaging the ribs, and carefully support everything so you don't
> change the washout, then you should be able to make a perfect repair that
> would be a lot less time and money than building a complete new wing.
> This
> is assuming there is no other damage except for the dented spar. But as
> somebody else said, if you haven't already built one of these wings, don't
> even think about doing it. Anybody thinking about buying this aeroplane
> would certainly want to see inside the wing before making a decision to
> buy
> it.
>
> Brian.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dave <dave@cfisher.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:59 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing repair
>
>
>>
>> Brian, Yes replace the entire front spar. But who knows what lurks
> inside. It is a huge job regardless. I just hope that the fellow that
> was
> looking at buying this plane knows that the plane is not structurally as
> sound as it should be.
>>
>> Plenty of Kitfox for sale< why fix a bent one when you can buy one that
>> is
> airworthy now unless is it cost effective. ?
>>
>
>
>
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Lots of interesting ideas on the bent wing spar. I will clarify what I had
in mind. I don't think splitting the old spar would harm the ribs, but if
so, that could be avoided by putting a kerf near the attach point for each
rib. If you totally detach all ribs from the spar, the wing will lose its
shape and require some sort of jig. If you lay it out flat and shim for the
washout, you could leave only a skeleton of the old spar, not necessarily
half of it, but avoid detaching all the ribs and basically starting all
over. You could preserve the dimensions and washout and attach a new tube
with cement and rivets, no big mess that I can foresee. I certainly would
not just "go fly it and hope its ok". That's my 2 sense worth, but I aint
no enjunear.
Do not archive
Ed Gray K2 and K4 building Dallas
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1. 06:14 AM - Re: Tail Wheel (jareds)
2. 07:02 AM - Re: Tail Wheel (Lynn Matteson)
3. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (Patrick Reilly)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: Insurance (Tom Jones)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (Patrick Reilly)
6. 09:00 AM - Wing repair (Ed Gray)
7. 09:42 AM - who sells the rubber motormounts 582? (wildirishtime)
8. 09:58 AM - Re: who sells the rubber motormounts 582? (jdmcbean)
9. 11:53 AM - Re: Insurance (Guy Buchanan)
10. 12:03 PM - Re: Insurance (Tom Jones)
11. 01:10 PM - Re: Wing repair (Brian Leach)
12. 03:19 PM - Re: Wing repair (Marwynne Kuhn)
13. 03:34 PM - Re: Insurance (Lynn Matteson)
14. 03:59 PM - Re: Wing repair (dave)
15. 04:34 PM - Re: Wing repair (Patrick Reilly)
16. 04:44 PM - rotax 582 idle RPM setting (jridgway)
17. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: Insurance (Patrick Reilly)
18. 05:49 PM - Re: Wing repair (Brian Leach)
19. 06:01 PM - Re: Wing repair (dave)
20. 06:03 PM - Re: Wing repair (dave)
21. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Insurance (kirk hull)
22. 09:28 PM - Re: Re: Wing repair (Brian Leach)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 06:14:15 AM PST US
From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel
Hey guys thanks for the quick response.
Pete a pdf would be great!! Nice to know what i'm digging into first.
Jareds@verizon.net
On 3/28/2010 8:36 PM, Pete Christensen wrote:
> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>
> I can send you a pdf of a maul tailwheel assy.
>
> Pete
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:24 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel
>
>
>>
>> Anyone know the inner workings of a tail wheel.
>> Mine no longer locks into place to allow steering with rudders.
>> Fixable or replacable parts?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 07:02:35 AM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel
There was a guy who did a rather thorough rebuild of the Maule
tailwheel, complete with pictures.....Google 'til you find it....the
guy's name was Drew Fidoe.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 891 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~109 to go(119 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
On Mar 29, 2010, at 9:08 AM, jareds wrote:
>
> Hey guys thanks for the quick response.
> Pete a pdf would be great!! Nice to know what i'm digging into first.
> Jareds@verizon.net
>
>
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Time: 07:44:21 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Insurance
From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Tom, Thanks for info. I tried calling Falcon direct in ST Louis as the rep
at the EAA # was always busy. They refered me back to EAA. I see Falcon is
in Kerrville TX. Did you talk with rep at EAA # or someone else? I have a
quote the EAA rep faxed to me. It looks as if Falcon is the underwriting
Co. I will try again to get answers about 1st flight and phase 1 testing
coverage.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
>
> Pat, I talked directly with Falcon. They are an insurance agent and will
> shop for the best price for you. I had only 20 hrs tail wheel...all dual
> including 7hrs. Kitfox dual...and they got the best quote from AIG.
>
> It was about $1300 before a 5% discount for AOPA members. That was for
> $20,000 hull value, $100 deductible, and one Million with 100,000 per
person
> liability. Coverage from 1st flight.
>
> It had a an exclusion to 10% of agreed value deductible and a liability
> during phase 1 limited to $500,000 and no liability for death or injury to
> passengers. Good incentive to not bend the rules by having a passenger
> during phase 1.
>
> That was three years ago. The premiums have gone down each year to $1124
> this year.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292161#292161
>
>
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 08:11:19 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Insurance
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Pat Reilly asked:
> Tom, Thanks for info. I tried calling Falcon direct in ST Louis as the rep
at
theEAA # was always busy. They refered me back to EAA. I see Falcon is in
Kerrville
TX. Did you talk with rep at EAA # or someone else?
>
Pat, I talked with the Kerrville, TX office. The person that I deal with is
Kyle
Atchison. Phone 830-257-1000.
I also could not get the EAA discount due to not enough tail wheel time.
The 5%
discount for AOPA members I got with my original policy more that paid for
the
AOPA membership.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
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Time: 08:55:08 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Insurance
From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Tom, Just hung up with EAA Falcon rep. Sounds like same coverage you have
with AIG but it is with another Co. right down to the 5% AOPA discount. Th
e
pilot has to have 10 hrs dual in a KF to be covered. My test pilot qualifie
s
but the policy would be void if there was an accident with the 2 of us in
the plane, and for him to give me lessons, and be insured, the plane has to
have completed 1st phase, 40 Hrs. What I had hoped for was a combination of
,
after 1st flight, 1st phase and dual lessons I have to talk to my test
pilot and see what we can do. I wanted to avoid paying someone to fly 1st
phase or flying uninsured liability wise. Nothing is ever easy when it come
s
to insurance.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
>
> Pat Reilly asked:
>
> > Tom, Thanks for info. I tried calling Falcon direct in ST Louis as the
> rep at the=EF=BDEAA # was always busy. They refered me back to EAA. I
see Falcon
> is in Kerrville TX. Did you talk with rep at EAA # or someone else?
> >
>
> Pat, I talked with the Kerrville, TX office. The person that I deal with
> is Kyle Atchison. Phone 830-257-1000.
>
> I also could not get the EAA discount due to not enough tail wheel time.
> The 5% discount for AOPA members I got with my original policy more that
> paid for the AOPA membership.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292216#292216
>
>
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Rockford,IL
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 09:00:55 AM PST US
From: "Ed Gray" <egraylaw@swbell.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing repair
My 2 cents worth on the wing repair. Building new Model 4 wings is a good
idea if financially feasible. I would want to uncover the damaged wing to
inspect for other damage. If replacing the spar, how about sawing of the
front half of the old spar, leaving the ribs in place, then attaching a new
spar with rivets and cement. It would only add the thickness of the spar
material (.035 inches ?) to the chord of the wing, and would save lots of
time and add only a pound or two.
Before covering my model 4 wings, I have decided to make the "quick tip"
mod, making the outer bay of the wing removable for conversion to
"Speedster" wing. Who has done this and who has any comments/advice.
Please post here or email me - don't be shy.
Ed Gray Dallas KF2 582 and Model 4 building and looking for 100 hp engine
and fwf
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1. 05:52 AM - Re: dent in LE (Tom Jones)
2. 07:00 AM - Re: dent in LE (dave)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Changing fuel pump (Roger Lee)
4. 09:58 AM - Re: dent in LE (jdmcbean)
5. 12:25 PM - Re: dent in LE (Noel Loveys)
6. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: Changing fuel pump (Pete Christensen)
7. 02:01 PM - Re: dent in LE (egp8111)
8. 02:12 PM - Re: dent in LE (dave)
9. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: dent in LE (Marwynne Kuhn)
10. 03:54 PM - eurofox projects (Malcolm Brubaker)
11. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: dent in LE (larry huntley)
12. 04:51 PM - Re: dent in LE (Tom Jones)
13. 05:29 PM - Tail Wheel (jareds)
14. 06:14 PM - Re: Tail Wheel (369PL)
15. 06:40 PM - Re: Tail Wheel (Pete Christensen)
16. 06:44 PM - Insurance (Patrick Reilly)
17. 07:23 PM - Re: Insurance (Tom Jones)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 05:52:32 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
There is an aluminum I beam insert inside the spar. You should be able to
see
the heads of the rivets that secure it under the fabric. It is about four
feet
long...just going on memory...and is centered about at the strut attach
bracket.
The I beam probably goes a ways out past the dent.
You can bet a look at it and have access for a bore scope by folding the
wing back
and/or taking a wing tip off.
If it was I considering buying I would be concerned about there being any
cracks
in the spar or damage to the I beam insert. I would also want to know how
the
dent was caused.
I would find an AI and pay them to do a condition inspection. They could
start
at the dent and stop right there if it is not airworthy. Then inspect the
rest
of the wing paying close attention to the spar to fuselage attach
reinforcements,
bolts, and fuselage lugs.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Time: 07:00:29 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
I have to agree with Tom.
this is a structural component that is likely been compromised to some
degree.
I should reduce the price of the plane at least the cost of that repair
alone.
A dent 1/4 " deep would take quite sudden impact and that leaves to
question
what else got bent, broken or comprised.
I would make sure that a qualified person checked it over prior to purchase.
I
don't think a AME would sign off with damage like that. It is a huge
repair
job.
Post a picture or email me one if you got one.
KF 3 used price can range 10 to 20 k with used 582
with 912 20 to 25 K approx
I would take off at least 5 k for wing damage if that is all there is .
There
are plenty of used kitfoxes around so don't feel to pressured
Hope that helps,
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
http://www.cfisher.com/
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Time: 07:12:07 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Changing fuel pump
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Hi Pete,
I take it your talking about the mechanical pump on the right side of the
gearbox.
If it is only the gasket just replace it. If it is coming out of the weep
hole the you need to replace the pump which comes with a new gasket. Nothing
special
to do just use a crows foot to help torque the nuts and apply a little
anti seize to the pump plunger for that first start up so it is not dry on
the
gearbox lobe. Don't glob it on, a little will due. You should be using band
clamps
and not screw clamps on the hoses to secure them. The fuel line should be
fire sleeved.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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Time: 09:58:43 AM PST US
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: dent in LE
Technically speaking the spar is no longer airworthy.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: dent in LE
I'm considering the purchase of a model III. It has a dent in the LE tube
located about 9in. outboard of the strut attach point. The dent itself is
about 4in. long and approx. .25in. in depth. What are the limits or
concerns on this type of damage.
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01:32:00
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Time: 12:25:24 PM PST US
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: dent in LE
Technically speaking, nothing on an amateur built airplane is "airworthy"
but I agree with you, John, that it's definitely not safe and should be
replaced.
Noel
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Sent: March 28, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: dent in LE
Technically speaking the spar is no longer airworthy.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: dent in LE
I'm considering the purchase of a model III. It has a dent in the LE tube
located about 9in. outboard of the strut attach point. The dent itself is
about 4in. long and approx. .25in. in depth. What are the limits or
concerns on this type of damage.
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Time: 01:19:53 PM PST US
From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Changing fuel pump
Thanks Roger. It is probably leaking out of the weep hole. Looks dry
around the gasket.
Pete
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From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Changing fuel pump
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I take it your talking about the mechanical pump on the right side of the
> gearbox. If it is only the gasket just replace it. If it is coming out of
> the weep hole the you need to replace the pump which comes with a new
> gasket. Nothing special to do just use a crows foot to help torque the
> nuts and apply a little anti seize to the pump plunger for that first
> start up so it is not dry on the gearbox lobe. Don't glob it on, a little
> will due. You should be using band clamps and not screw clamps on the
> hoses to secure them. The fuel line should be fire sleeved.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292063#292063
>
>
>
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Time: 02:01:01 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
From: "egp8111" <egp8111@aol.com>
thanks everyone for the information. Is replacing the spar feasible ? If
its
a really time consuming thing, maybe your time might be better spent on
building
a new set of model IV wings.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292124#292124
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 02:12:59 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Huge job,
Un cover leading edge -- might be able salvage --likely not
maybe more damages.
I would open up and see.
to replace spar and have to remove each rib and riblet
huge job.
I would me more than 2 thousand $ labour easily from me . Total bill could
see
4 to 5 $ easily.
Model IV a faster wing, some say a model 3 will out lift a IV but look at my
videos
............ you tell me
model 3 have no aileron differential -- in my opinion a IV flys better.
Bette flapperon control and more useful than the model 1,2 and 3
flapperons.
Like i said --good prang like that -- might not be the only damage.
Lots for sale out there and without damage.
--------
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Time: 03:20:23 PM PST US
From: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
I am in the process of replacing the front spar on my Model IV. It is very
time
consuming . One heck of a lot of work. Knowing what I know now, I think I
would
start from scratch ......... lots and lots of slow work removing the ribs
with out damaging them.
MY 2 cents
Marwynne
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From: "egp8111" <egp8111@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
>
> thanks everyone for the information. Is replacing the spar feasible ? If
its
a really time consuming thing, maybe your time might be better spent on
building
a new set of model IV wings.
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Time: 03:54:15 PM PST US
From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: eurofox projects
i saw a pair of eurofox projects for sale on barnstormers anyone know anyth
ing about them?---- mal
Malcolm Brubaker
Michigan Sport
Pilot Repair
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
(989)513-3022
--- On Sun, 3/28/10, Marwynne Kuhn <marwynne@windstream.net> wrote:
From: Marwynne Kuhn <marwynne@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
>
I am in the process of replacing the front spar on my Model IV.- It is ve
ry time consuming .- One heck of a lot of work. Knowing what I know now,
I think I would start from scratch ......... lots and lots of slow work rem
oving the ribs with out damaging them.
MY 2 cents
Marwynne
----- Original Message -----
From: "egp8111" <egp8111@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
>
> thanks everyone for the information.- Is replacing the spar feasible ?
- If its a really time consuming thing, maybe your time might be better s
pent on building a new set of model IV wings.
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________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 04:23:28 PM PST US
From: "larry huntley" <asq@roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
I have thought that sawing out the sections between the ribs and then
heating the remaining metal hot enough to release the structural epoxy would
work. ???? Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@windstream.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
> <marwynne@windstream.net>
>
> I am in the process of replacing the front spar on my Model IV. It is
> very time consuming . One heck of a lot of work. Knowing what I know now,
> I think I would start from scratch ......... lots and lots of slow work
> removing the ribs with out damaging them.
>
> MY 2 cents
> Marwynne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "egp8111" <egp8111@aol.com>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 4:00 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
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>> thanks everyone for the information. Is replacing the spar feasible ?
>> If its a really time consuming thing, maybe your time might be better
>> spent on building a new set of model IV wings.
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________________________________ Message 12
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Time: 04:51:05 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: dent in LE
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
I salvaged all the usable hardware and wood parts off a wing and built a new
one
with two new spars.
A person may be able to replace just the front spar without disassembling
the entire
wing.
My opinion, if a person does not already have experience building a Kitfox
wing
or something similar...avoid attempting to replace a spar like the plague.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 05:29:13 PM PST US
From: jareds <jareds@verizon.net>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel
Anyone know the inner workings of a tail wheel.
Mine no longer locks into place to allow steering with rudders.
Fixable or replacable parts?
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Time: 06:14:00 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tail Wheel
From: "369PL" <n3pupnc@aol.com>
I had the same problem. the spring for the lock had become weak. I stretched
the
spring then reinstalled it. The next time I ordered parts I ordered a new
one.
When I park my plane I make sure to lock the tail wheel so the spring is not
compressed so much.I think Aircraft&spruce had a parts breakdown of my tail
wheel.
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Time: 06:40:14 PM PST US
From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel
I can send you a pdf of a maul tailwheel assy.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: "jareds" <jareds@verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Tail Wheel
>
> Anyone know the inner workings of a tail wheel.
> Mine no longer locks into place to allow steering with rudders.
> Fixable or replacable parts?
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________________________________ Message 16
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Time: 06:44:12 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Insurance
From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
KFer"s, I'm ready for 1st flight. I am fortunate in that an EAA Flight
Advisor test pilot that has 1st flighted 10 KF's lives here in Rockford. My
question is what's best way to insure. I talked to EAA they gave me a quote
from Falcon. The problem is the rep at EAA seems so short of time he isn't
helpful in communicating exactly the extent of coverage. I spoke with Avemco
and the girl there would have talked to me all day as long as I had valid
questions. Avemco cost a little more which I am willing to pay for the level
of service I got via phone. But their deductible is $1000 and Falcon's
appears to be $100. I have less than 200 hrs total and less than 20 hrs
taildragger logged so I don't qualify for an EAA discount from Falcon.
Anybody have suggestions?
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
________________________________ Message 17
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Time: 07:23:03 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Insurance
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Pat, I talked directly with Falcon. They are an insurance agent and will
shop
for the best price for you. I had only 20 hrs tail wheel...all dual
including
7hrs. Kitfox dual...and they got the best quote from AIG.
It was about $1300 before a 5% discount for AOPA members. That was for
$20,000
hull value, $100 deductible, and one Million with 100,000 per person
liability.
Coverage from 1st flight.
It had a an exclusion to 10% of agreed value deductible and a liability
during
phase 1 limited to $500,000 and no liability for death or injury to
passengers.
Good incentive to not bend the rules by having a passenger during phase 1.
That was three years ago. The premiums have gone down each year to $1124
this year.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Time: 09:42:26 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: who sells the rubber motormounts 582?
From: "wildirishtime" <brendan@structuredinc.com>
I want to replace the rubber portion of the mounts, where
can I get just the rubber part? It measures up very close
to the ones in the CPS catalog with 4 mount holes instead
of two, but theirs has an AN4 bolt hole while this one is an AN5 right?
Where do I get these????
~Wild
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Time: 09:58:18 AM PST US
From: "jdmcbean" <jdmcbean@kitfoxaircraft.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: who sells the rubber motormounts 582?
We keep those mounts in stock. The hole is opened per the installation
manual.
Fly Safe !!
John & Debra McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wildirishtime
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:42 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: who sells the rubber motormounts 582?
<brendan@structuredinc.com>
I want to replace the rubber portion of the mounts, where
can I get just the rubber part? It measures up very close
to the ones in the CPS catalog with 4 mount holes instead
of two, but theirs has an AN4 bolt hole while this one is an AN5 right?
Where do I get these????
~Wild
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________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 11:53:39 AM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan <bnn@nethere.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance
At 06:36 PM 3/28/2010, you wrote:
>Avemco cost a little more which I am willing to pay for the level of
>service I got via phone. But their deductible is $1000 and Falcon's
>appears to be $100. I have less than 200 hrs total and less than 20
>hrs taildragger logged so I don't qualify for an EAA discount from
>Falcon. Anybody have suggestions?
Pat,
Interesting. My experience when I started was that I
couldn't get Avemco because they required something like 25 hours
time-in-type. I bought AIG through AOPA because they only required 1
hour time-in-type which I was able to beg from another kind Kitfox
owner. The next year I priced everybody and Avemco was much cheaper
so I switched. Then the following year Avemco dropped my premiums
about 15%. Note that I have liability only.
Guy Buchanan
San Diego, CA
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
________________________________ Message 10
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Time: 12:03:19 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Insurance
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Pat, yes, no passengers...or dual instruction...during phase 1. You don't
want
to ever try that. Some people will tell you it's okay but believe me if
there
is a problem the FAA will make your life hell.
The only option for a new tail wheel pilot with a plane in phase one to get
training
is find another Kitfox to get the training in. I traveled 800 miles and
spent a week to do it.
I see there will be a Kitfox SLSA available for training in Boise soon. As
a new
tail wheel pilot, 10 hrs dual will be well worth the cost if you plan to do
the phase one testing.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Time: 01:10:14 PM PST US
From: "Brian Leach" <leach@infogen.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing repair
My 2 cents worth also. I have built an Avid but have never tried to repair
a wing. I would try what Ed Gray suggested and cut the spar in half
lengthwise with an angle grinder and cutting disc. Aluminium cuts very
easily with these discs. But don't try and fit the new spar inside what is
left of the old one. This would be very messy and they wont fit neatly
together anyway. Use a grinding disc and grind the aluminium away from the
inside of the spar at each rib. The heat generated will help release the
glue and the whole operation would be completely stress free on the delicate
wing structure. It would be a lot of work, but a lot less than building
another wing. As I said, I have never tried doing this but it might work.
Brian.
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Time: 03:19:27 PM PST US
From: "Marwynne Kuhn" <marwynne@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing repair
Splitting the spar will cause the spar to spring open wider . I bet you
will damage
the ribs doing that
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Leach" <leach@infogen.net.nz>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing repair
>
> My 2 cents worth also. I have built an Avid but have never tried to
repair
> a wing. I would try what Ed Gray suggested and cut the spar in half
> lengthwise with an angle grinder and cutting disc. Aluminium cuts very
> easily with these discs. But don't try and fit the new spar inside what
is
> left of the old one. This would be very messy and they wont fit neatly
> together anyway. Use a grinding disc and grind the aluminium away from
the
> inside of the spar at each rib. The heat generated will help release the
> glue and the whole operation would be completely stress free on the
delicate
> wing structure. It would be a lot of work, but a lot less than building
> another wing. As I said, I have never tried doing this but it might work.
>
> Brian.
>
>
>
>
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>
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Time: 03:34:37 PM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Insurance
I needed insurance to be able to fly in the Homebuilders' Review (the
next morning) at Oshkosh in 2007, so I went to the EAA Insurance
booth. After all the negotiations, they told me that I couldn't have
it by the next day because they "weren't hooked up to a computer,
here at the show", so I visited Avemco, and they signed me up right
then and there, and the liability-only insurance went into effect at
midnight that night......sold.....been with 'em ever since. At that
point in time, I had about 290 hours solo, all in my taildragger Kitfox.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 891.5 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Countdown to 1000 hrs~109 to go(117 days to go)
Sensenich 62"x46" Wood (summer)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying (and learning)
do not archive
On Mar 29, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:
>
> At 06:36 PM 3/28/2010, you wrote:
>> Avemco cost a little more which I am willing to pay for the level
>> of service I got via phone. But their deductible is $1000 and
>> Falcon's appears to be $100. I have less than 200 hrs total and
>> less than 20 hrs taildragger logged so I don't qualify for an EAA
>> discount from Falcon. Anybody have suggestions?
>
> Pat,
> Interesting. My experience when I started was that I
> couldn't get Avemco because they required something like 25 hours
> time-in-type. I bought AIG through AOPA because they only required
> 1 hour time-in-type which I was able to beg from another kind
> Kitfox owner. The next year I priced everybody and Avemco was much
> cheaper so I switched. Then the following year Avemco dropped my
> premiums about 15%. Note that I have liability only.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
> San Diego, CA
> K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting
>
>
________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 03:59:13 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing repair
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Guys , Get a grip here.
You want to take a bent un- airworthy spar and dissect it and epoxy and
rivet
another tube to it ?
Fix it properly or the plane will become a lawn ornament.
Hard to believe that anyone would try to re-engineer a damaged part instead
of
doing a proper repair.
--------
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Time: 04:34:33 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing repair
From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sounds to me like it would be safer to just ignore the dent than attempt
to fix it with the patch work methods I've seen here.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Brian Leach <leach@infogen.net.nz> wrote:
>
> My 2 cents worth also. I have built an Avid but have never tried to
repair
> a wing. I would try what Ed Gray suggested and cut the spar in half
> lengthwise with an angle grinder and cutting disc. Aluminium cuts very
> easily with these discs. But don't try and fit the new spar inside what
is
> left of the old one. This would be very messy and they wont fit neatly
> together anyway. Use a grinding disc and grind the aluminium away from
the
> inside of the spar at each rib. The heat generated will help release the
> glue and the whole operation would be completely stress free on the
> delicate
> wing structure. It would be a lot of work, but a lot less than building
> another wing. As I said, I have never tried doing this but it might work.
>
> Brian.
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
________________________________ Message 16
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Time: 04:44:08 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: rotax 582 idle RPM setting
From: "jridgway" <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
I am currently idling about 2000 rpm on a cold engine. It works it way up to
2400/2500
after the engine warms up. This is really more than I want on the landing
flare. How hard is it to reduce the idle setting on the dual carbs without
messing with the jets or getting the carbs out of sync. Engine is running
perfect
otherwise and I hate to screw things up.
Jack
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Time: 04:49:33 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Insurance
From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Tom, I have only 17 hours tailwheel experience in an Aeronica Champ about 3
years ago. I don't know where I could get 10 hours dual in a KF other than
my own. I am sure most KF owner's policy would not include
instruction coverage for other pilots. Techniquicaly I am qualified to fly
off the 40 hours as I am licensed. Would the FAA be happier if I just jumped
in and started flying? I'm crazy, not stupid. I taught myself to fly a
tailwheel ultralight 25 years ago, but everything happened alot slower with
a stall speed of 19 mph and top speed on 39 mph. I have to talk to my test
pilot.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
>
> Pat, yes, no passengers...or dual instruction...during phase 1. You don't
> want to ever try that. Some people will tell you it's okay but believe me
> if there is a problem the FAA will make your life hell.
>
> The only option for a new tail wheel pilot with a plane in phase one to
get
> training is find another Kitfox to get the training in. I traveled 800
> miles and spent a week to do it.
>
> I see there will be a Kitfox SLSA available for training in Boise soon.
As
> a new tail wheel pilot, 10 hrs dual will be well worth the cost if you
plan
> to do the phase one testing.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292263#292263
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
________________________________ Message 18
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Time: 05:49:40 PM PST US
From: "Brian Leach" <leach@infogen.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing repair
Pat Reilly and Dave. I think you have both misunderstood my post. I
was suggesting a way of completely removing the old spar without
stressing the rest of the wing structure, so that the new spar could be
glued in. If the old spar could be successfully removed without
damaging the ribs the end result would be the same as a new wing.
Brian.
From: Patrick Reilly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing repair
Sounds to me like it would be safer to just ignore the dent than
attempt to fix it with the patch work methods I've seen here.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Brian Leach <leach@infogen.net.nz>
wrote:
<leach@infogen.net.nz>
My 2 cents worth also. I have built an Avid but have never tried to
repair
a wing. I would try what Ed Gray suggested and cut the spar in half
lengthwise with an angle grinder and cutting disc. Aluminium cuts
very
easily with these discs. But don't try and fit the new spar inside
what is
left of the old one. This would be very messy and they wont fit
neatly
together anyway. Use a grinding disc and grind the aluminium away
from the
inside of the spar at each rib. The heat generated will help
release the
glue and the whole operation would be completely stress free on the
delicate
wing structure. It would be a lot of work, but a lot less than
building
another wing. As I said, I have never tried doing this but it might
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________________________________ Message 19
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Time: 06:01:59 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing repair
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Brian, Yes replace the entire front spar. But who knows what lurks inside.
It is a huge job regardless. I just hope that the fellow that was looking
at
buying this plane knows that the plane is not structurally as sound as it
should
be.
Plenty of Kitfox for sale< why fix a bent one when you can buy one that is
airworthy
now unless is it cost effective. ?
--------
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Time: 06:03:16 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing repair
From: "dave" <dave@cfisher.com>
Pat - what are you saying here? Ignore the damage?
>>Sounds to me like it would be safer to just ignore the dent than attempt
tofix
it with the patch workmethods I've seenhere.
Pat Reilly
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
http://www.cfisher.com/
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Time: 06:24:04 PM PST US
From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Insurance
When I first got N205AK flying I had to have someone else fly off the first
40 hours as I had only 5 hours of tail wheel in a Cessna 140. Insurance was
just not avail. After that falcon just required 5 hours dual and 5 solo but
covered the plane for both.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Reilly
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Insurance
Tom, I have only 17 hours tailwheel experience in an Aeronica Champ about 3
years ago. I don't know where I could get 10 hours dual in a KF other than
my own. I am sure most KF owner's policy would not include instruction
coverage for other pilots. Techniquicaly I am qualified to fly off the 40
hours as I am licensed. Would the FAA be happier if I just jumped in and
started flying? I'm crazy, not stupid. I taught myself to fly a tailwheel
ultralight 25 years ago, but everything happened alot slower with a stall
speed of 19 mph and top speed on 39 mph. I have to talk to my test pilot.
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Pat Reilly
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
Pat, yes, no passengers...or dual instruction...during phase 1. You don't
want to ever try that. Some people will tell you it's okay but believe me
if there is a problem the FAA will make your life hell.
The only option for a new tail wheel pilot with a plane in phase one to get
training is find another Kitfox to get the training in. I traveled 800
miles and spent a week to do it.
I see there will be a Kitfox SLSA available for training in Boise soon. As
a new tail wheel pilot, 10 hrs dual will be well worth the cost if you plan
to do the phase one testing.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Time: 09:28:04 PM PST US
From: "Brian Leach" <leach@infogen.net.nz>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing repair
Dave
I think it goes without saying that with any damage like this the fabric
must be torn off, the entire wing inspected and the spar replaced. The
point that I was making is that if you can carefully cut the old spar out
without damaging the ribs, and carefully support everything so you don't
change the washout, then you should be able to make a perfect repair that
would be a lot less time and money than building a complete new wing. This
is assuming there is no other damage except for the dented spar. But as
somebody else said, if you haven't already built one of these wings, don't
even think about doing it. Anybody thinking about buying this aeroplane
would certainly want to see inside the wing before making a decision to buy
it.
Brian.
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From: dave <dave@cfisher.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:59 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing repair
>
> Brian, Yes replace the entire front spar. But who knows what lurks
inside. It is a huge job regardless. I just hope that the fellow that was
looking at buying this plane knows that the plane is not structurally as
sound as it should be.
>
> Plenty of Kitfox for sale< why fix a bent one when you can buy one that is
airworthy now unless is it cost effective. ?
>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Insurance
Piper Pacer (death ship.. right Leonard ?) which was destroyed by
hurricane Ivan.
See! They are dangerous. Suppose you had been in it! Larry
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Brian, Now that makes sense.
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Pat Reilly
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Brian Leach <leach@infogen.net.nz> wrote:
> Pat Reilly and Dave. I think you have both misunderstood my post. I
> was suggesting a way of completely removing the old spar without stressing
> the rest of the wing structure, so that the new spar could be glued in. If
> the old spar could be successfully removed without damaging the ribs the end
> result would be the same as a new wing.
>
> Brian.
>
> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Wing repair
>
> Sounds to me like it would be safer to just ignore the dent than attempt
> to fix it with the patch work methods I've seen here.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Brian Leach <leach@infogen.net.nz>wrote:
>
>>
>> My 2 cents worth also. I have built an Avid but have never tried to
>> repair
>> a wing. I would try what Ed Gray suggested and cut the spar in half
>> lengthwise with an angle grinder and cutting disc. Aluminium cuts very
>> easily with these discs. But don't try and fit the new spar inside what
>> is
>> left of the old one. This would be very messy and they wont fit neatly
>> together anyway. Use a grinding disc and grind the aluminium away from
>> the
>> inside of the spar at each rib. The heat generated will help release the
>> glue and the whole operation would be completely stress free on the
>> delicate
>> wing structure. It would be a lot of work, but a lot less than building
>> another wing. As I said, I have never tried doing this but it might
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thanks...
try it in the morning...
Jack
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