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1. 04:46 AM - warp propeller bolts (bob noffs)
2. 06:22 AM - Re: warp propeller bolts (Patrick Reilly)
3. 06:59 AM - Re: warp propeller bolts (Roger Lee)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: warp propeller bolts (Vic Baker)
5. 07:47 AM - Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) (Tom Jones)
6. 08:55 AM - Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) (mikeperkins)
7. 11:36 AM - Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) (carlisle)
8. 12:44 PM - Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) (mikeperkins)
9. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) (Patrick Reilly)
10. 05:54 PM - Re: warp propeller bolts (kirk hull)
11. 06:07 PM - Re: warp propeller bolts (bob noffs)
12. 06:07 PM - Re: warp propeller bolts (bob noffs)
13. 06:23 PM - Re: Cabin cover (Ken Potter)
14. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Cabin cover (Marco Menezes)
15. 09:08 PM - Re: Emailing: Tweety Bird finished 001, Tweety Bird finished 003 (jridgway)
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| Subject: | warp propeller bolts |
hi all,
warp suggests using lock nuts on their attachment of their hub to the
engine. has anyone run into a faa inspecter that wants to see a drilled
bolt and a cotter key? maybe i should go that route from the start?
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: warp propeller bolts |
Bob, I have a Warp Drive. No problem with the FAA inspection and Nyloc nuts.
There was no comment made so I can't really say the nuts were noticed. The
spinner was off for the inspection though. The AP I had do the condition
inspection asked about them. I commented that's what the mfg specified.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:45 AM, bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi all,
> warp suggests using lock nuts on their attachment of their hub to the
> engine. has anyone run into a faa inspecter that wants to see a drilled
> bolt and a cotter key? maybe i should go that route from the start?
> bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: warp propeller bolts |
no problem with Nylocs. I think most of the warp folks use Nylocs.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: warp propeller bolts |
Bob, same as Pat here, FAA inspector asked about the torque check
schedule only.
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Reilly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: warp propeller bolts
Bob, I have a Warp Drive. No problem with the FAA inspection and Nyloc
nuts. There was no comment made so I can't really say the nuts were
noticed. The spinner was off for the inspection though. The AP I had do
the condition inspection asked about them. I commented that's what the
mfg specified.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:45 AM, bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all,
warp suggests using lock nuts on their attachment of their hub to
the engine. has anyone run into a faa inspecter that wants to see a
drilled bolt and a cotter key? maybe i should go that route from the
start?
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) |
carlisle wrote:
> Finished spring inspection and cleanup on my Model II. Took it up for first
flight and the ASI reads 40 mph too low. This is the second time it's failed.
First one was replaced last year and had only 150 hrs on it. New one has less
than 25.
>
> Wonder if the extreme cold here in Sioux Falls has anything to do with it? Plane
is hangared.
>
> Chris
Maybe a leaking pitot line? To check it slip a length of about 10 inches of surgical
tubing over the pitot tube. Slowly roll the tubing up until the airspeed
indicator reads about 60 mph or so. Hold it there and the needle should remain
steady for at least a minute.
Do you have a static port installed. Maybe a bug or water in the static line?
If the static side of the ASI ever sees pressure higher than the pitot side that
can damage the ASI.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) |
Hi Chris,
I agree with everything Tom said about examining your pilot/static system before
you replace your ASI. I've never heard of ASIs being damaged by cold temperatures,
but I suppose it's possible. Mine sat outside for two years in Illinois
and then moved into a hanger, surviving year after year without any problems.
Some years ago, I made a water-column manometer calibrated in MPH for testing my
ASI. I'd suspected that my original "Denny Aerocraft" ASI with the little fox
on it wasn't reading right. After testing it on the manometer, I began joking
with people that its scale was calibrated in Dennys per Hour: 10 MPH high on
the high end and 5 MPH low on the low end. I'm sure it was that way from the
day I installed it. Soon after finding this out, I bought a fast-acting 0-100
helicopter ASI, a purchase that I've never regretted. It responds to gusts immediately
and is quite accurate.
There's not a lot to making a manometer, but it took me an entire afternoon. It
would not be hard for me to box it up and mail it to you as a loaner. Let me
know.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) |
Thanks guys. Feel kind of silly. Started tracing back the pitot line and found
the 3/8 in hole I'd drilled in it when drilling out the pop rivets for the windshield
that I replaced last week. Oops. Embarassing.
Mike. I built one of those manometers last year when I was messing around with
my prior broken ASI. It probably wasn't the most accurate example in the world
but taught me a lot about the sensitivity and potential fragility of these
instruments. Rather than re-assemble that this year, I tested this one against
a known accurate one with a simpler method. Attach a 6 in or so piece of 1/8
in Tygon tubing or similar to the nipple on the back of the instrument and a
1cc insulin syringe to the other. Inject a little air, usually about 1cc, and
see what it reads. If the two instruments are close, say withing 5mph of each
other, it's probably ok. As a measure of how sensitive the thing is, when
you plug the syringe onto the tubing, the pressure created just by that minuscule
volume change gives you about 10 mph so you have to subtract that from the
final reading after injecting. 1cc of air is about 80 mph using that system.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) |
Well, Chris, at least you didn't make up some big story. Glad you found it. . .
. Duct tape? (smile)
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed indicator fail (again) |
Mike, How did you build your manometer and calibrate and use it with your
pitot system?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 482 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, mikeperkins <michael.perkins@rauland.com>wrote:
> michael.perkins@rauland.com>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I agree with everything Tom said about examining your pilot/static system
> before you replace your ASI. I've never heard of ASIs being damaged by cold
> temperatures, but I suppose it's possible. Mine sat outside for two years in
> Illinois and then moved into a hanger, surviving year after year without any
> problems.
> Some years ago, I made a water-column manometer calibrated in MPH for
> testing my ASI. I'd suspected that my original "Denny Aerocraft" ASI with
> the little fox on it wasn't reading right. After testing it on the
> manometer, I began joking with people that its scale was calibrated in
> Dennys per Hour: 10 MPH high on the high end and 5 MPH low on the low end.
> I'm sure it was that way from the day I installed it. Soon after finding
> this out, I bought a fast-acting 0-100 helicopter ASI, a purchase that I've
> never regretted. It responds to gusts immediately and is quite accurate.
> There's not a lot to making a manometer, but it took me an entire
> afternoon. It would not be hard for me to box it up and mail it to you as a
> loaner. Let me know.
> Mike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293654#293654
>
>
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | warp propeller bolts |
If the FAA questions it just tell him that is the manufacturers
recommendation. But proper torque is very important on these as the parts
are not drilled to a close tolerance so they will really bang around if they
are not kept tight.
_____
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic Baker
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: warp propeller bolts
Bob, same as Pat here, FAA inspector asked about the torque check schedule
only.
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick <mailto:patreilly43@gmail.com> Reilly
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: warp propeller bolts
Bob, I have a Warp Drive. No problem with the FAA inspection and Nyloc nuts.
There was no comment made so I can't really say the nuts were noticed. The
spinner was off for the inspection though. The AP I had do the condition
inspection asked about them. I commented that's what the mfg specified.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:45 AM, bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all,
warp suggests using lock nuts on their attachment of their hub to the
engine. has anyone run into a faa inspecter that wants to see a drilled
bolt and a cotter key? maybe i should go that route from the start?
bob noffs
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: warp propeller bolts |
thanks to all for the input. sounds like i dont need castellated nuts and
cotter keys. one more question for the self locking nuts....how frequently
should they be retorqued? how often should the nuts be replaced?
bob noffs
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:53 PM, kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> If the FAA questions it just tell him that is the manufacturers
> recommendation. But proper torque is very important on these as the parts
> are not drilled to a close tolerance so they will really bang around if they
> are not kept tight.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Vic Baker
> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 8:53 AM
>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: warp propeller bolts
>
>
> Bob, same as Pat here, FAA inspector asked about the torque check
> schedule only.
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp
> Carson City, Nv
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 6:16 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: warp propeller bolts
>
>
> Bob, I have a Warp Drive. No problem with the FAA inspection and Nyloc
> nuts. There was no comment made so I can't really say the nuts were noticed.
> The spinner was off for the inspection though. The AP I had do the condition
> inspection asked about them. I commented that's what the mfg specified.
>
>
> Pat Reilly
>
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:45 AM, bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> warp suggests using lock nuts on their attachment of their hub to the
> engine. has anyone run into a faa inspecter that wants to see a drilled
> bolt and a cotter key? maybe i should go that route from the start?
>
> bob noffs
>
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>
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> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: warp propeller bolts |
yea, i know. i meant cotter pins.
bob noffs
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:06 PM, bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com> wrote:
> thanks to all for the input. sounds like i dont need castellated nuts and
> cotter keys. one more question for the self locking nuts....how frequently
> should they be retorqued? how often should the nuts be replaced?
> bob noffs
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:53 PM, kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> If the FAA questions it just tell him that is the manufacturers
>> recommendation. But proper torque is very important on these as the parts
>> are not drilled to a close tolerance so they will really bang around if they
>> are not kept tight.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Vic Baker
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 8:53 AM
>>
>> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: warp propeller bolts
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob, same as Pat here, FAA inspector asked about the torque check
>> schedule only.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Vic Baker
>> S7 912S Warp
>> Carson City, Nv
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>>
>> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 6:16 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: warp propeller bolts
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob, I have a Warp Drive. No problem with the FAA inspection and Nyloc
>> nuts. There was no comment made so I can't really say the nuts were noticed.
>> The spinner was off for the inspection though. The AP I had do the condition
>> inspection asked about them. I commented that's what the mfg specified.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>>
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>>
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:45 AM, bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> warp suggests using lock nuts on their attachment of their hub to the
>> engine. has anyone run into a faa inspecter that wants to see a drilled
>> bolt and a cotter key? maybe i should go that route from the start?
>>
>> bob noffs
>>
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>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford,IL
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Hi Marco,
I'm just finishing off my Model II this month. I phoned Kitfox a few weeks ago
to order a clear turtledeck for the plane and inquired about the cockpit cover
for a Model II. I think it was Deborah I was speaking to who told me that they
only made a cover for a Model III and that it's fit on the Model II was questionable
due to the difference in cabin width. She indicated that it might be
to loose and flap around in the wind, chafing paint and such.. Anyways, I'm
still in the market for one that will fit my Model II.
Cheers
Ken
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Ken Potter
Model II, No. 483
Rotax 582, C-Box,
98% Complete
C-FJKP (marks reserved)
Lanark, Ontario
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Ken,=0A=0AThere was someone on the list a year or more ago who was contempl
ating making and selling cabin covers for the M2. Don't recall who it was b
ut if that someone's still out there, please-post and let us know if you'
re still into it. Otherwise it'll have to be-custom made covers all aroun
d. =0A=0AMarco Menezes N99KX=0AModel 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ken Potter <kjpotter@sympati
co.ca>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, April 9, 2010 9:23:27 P
M=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cabin cover=0A=0A--> Kitfox-List message post
ed by: "Ken Potter" <kjpotter@sympatico.ca>=0A=0AHi Marco,=0A=0AI'm just fi
nishing off my Model II this month.- I phoned Kitfox a few weeks ago to o
rder a clear turtledeck for the plane and inquired about the cockpit cover
for a Model II.- I think it was Deborah I was speaking to who told me tha
t they only made a cover for a Model III and that it's fit on the Model II
was questionable due to the difference in cabin width. She indicated that i
t might be to loose and flap around in the wind, chafing paint and such.. A
nyways,- I'm still in the market for one that will fit my Model II.=0AChe
ers=0AKen=0A=0A--------=0AKen Potter=0AModel II, No. 483=0ARotax 582, C-Box
, =0A98% Complete=0AC-FJKP (marks reserved)=0ALanark, Ontario=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
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look at the PS ENGINEERING 1200 INTERCOM AND OREGON MODIFIED HEADSETS. MADE MY
AIRCRAFT BEARABLE.
JACK
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