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1. 06:55 AM - Re: Fuel pump rebuild (Catz631@AOL.COM)
2. 07:44 AM - Re: Air speed Indicator (Vic Baker)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: Gas fitting sealant (mikeperkins)
4. 07:59 AM - Re: Fuel pump rebuild (Roger Standley)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: Rotax fuel pressure (Heinz Lang)
6. 12:15 PM - Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (Roger Lee)
7. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: Gas fitting sealant (Patrick Reilly)
8. 02:55 PM - Re: Air speed Indicator (Patrick Reilly)
9. 07:25 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 04/21/10 (James Missler)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump rebuild |
Jack,
You will have to buy a new pump. They come with or without the hoses.As
you are going to have to buy a new pump anyway check out the new "billet pump"
It is a far better quality pump made for the 912/914. I saw them at
Sun-n-Fun. There is no doubt that this is the pump I will get when mine craps out
!
It is made in the USA,smaller than the original pump. It has no
diaphragm,valves,rocker arm,or gaskets. It is made of hardcoated 6061-T6 aluminimun
with stainless steel internal parts. It only flows as much fuel as the engine
requires. The 912 pump is $368.00 and the 914 $396.00 If interested the
outfit is: Corbi Air INC, Salem ,Ohio 877-267-2424.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Air speed Indicator |
Pat, I used this method. Results agree with GPS.
http://chrusion.com/BJ7/ASICalc.html
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Reilly
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:16 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Air speed Indicator
KFer's, What is the best way to test the ASI system? Mine registered
stall at 27 and cruise at 47. I tried rolling up surgical tube on the
pitot tube to get a reading to no avail. Is there a way to test the ASI
seperately?
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Gas fitting sealant |
Pat, I've never used Dow 730 on anything with worn threads. It's not a structural
material, so it wouldn't add strength. I suppose it would depend on how worn
the threads are. If the fitting doesn't stay put on its own without some kind
of goop, I might recommend drilling and tapping to the next larger size. Another
possibility is to glue on a fiberglass or aluminum doubler plate drilled
and tapped for your fitting. I'd use fiberglass resin for the fiberglass doubler.
However, if you decided on an aluminum doubler plate, I'd use 3M structural
adhesive. It so happens I've used this structural adhesive to attach aluminum
fuel-gauge bosses to fiberglass tanks and it's worked well. Either way, I don't
see any reason a doubler plate wouldn't work.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295273#295273
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump rebuild |
"... when mine craps out !..." Do these fail all at once or gradually?
Are there any warning symptoms that the pump is about to fail?
----- Original Message -----
From: Catz631@aol.com<mailto:Catz631@aol.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com<mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fuel pump rebuild
Jack,
You will have to buy a new pump. They come with or without the
hoses.As you are going to have to buy a new pump anyway check out the
new "billet pump" It is a far better quality pump made for the 912/914.
I saw them at Sun-n-Fun. There is no doubt that this is the pump I will
get when mine craps out ! It is made in the USA,smaller than the
original pump. It has no diaphragm,valves,rocker arm,or gaskets. It is
made of hardcoated 6061-T6 aluminimun with stainless steel internal
parts. It only flows as much fuel as the engine requires. The 912 pump
is $368.00 and the 914 $396.00 If interested the outfit is: Corbi Air
INC, Salem ,Ohio 877-267-2424.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax fuel pressure |
Please stay on the low side with regard to fuel pressure. There has been an
bad accident here (just after take-off) because of a fuel pump with too high
pressure. This may block the floaters in the carburettors. I have flown
close to 500h without auxiliary pump.
Heinz Lang
HB-YFS
Kitfox 4-1200
R582
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| Subject: | Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? |
Hi Guys,
I talked to Rotax today and you early engine owners are absolutely right that back
in the 90's the 912 engine did not have that cover. They did however say that
you need one on there now. The cover is $75.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Gas fitting sealant |
Mike, Thanks for the info. I guess the next size bigger would be the best
way. The threads stilll hold and are tight. I used Permatex non hardening.
Filled the tank today and no leaks. guess I'm OK. Just makes you wonder when
the stuff is still barely tacky after a day to set up.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 REBUILT
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:57 AM, mikeperkins <michael.perkins@rauland.com>wrote:
> michael.perkins@rauland.com>
>
> Pat, I've never used Dow 730 on anything with worn threads. It's not a
> structural material, so it wouldn't add strength. I suppose it would depend
> on how worn the threads are. If the fitting doesn't stay put on its own
> without some kind of goop, I might recommend drilling and tapping to the
> next larger size. Another possibility is to glue on a fiberglass or aluminum
> doubler plate drilled and tapped for your fitting. I'd use fiberglass resin
> for the fiberglass doubler. However, if you decided on an aluminum doubler
> plate, I'd use 3M structural adhesive. It so happens I've used this
> structural adhesive to attach aluminum fuel-gauge bosses to fiberglass tanks
> and it's worked well. Either way, I don't see any reason a doubler plate
> wouldn't work.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295273#295273
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Air speed Indicator |
Vic, Thanks. I am printing out the manometer info page. I found there was a
piece of surgical tubing that connected the pitot to the black plastic tube
in the wing that rotted out causing a major leak. It was a bear to replace
even with my small hands, but at least there was an access plate at that
point. I will now see how accurate the ASI readings are. I did do the rollup
of a surgical tube on the pitot tube that held pressure on the ASI.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 REBUILT
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Vic Baker <vr_baker@nvbell.net> wrote:
> Pat, I used this method. Results agree with GPS.
>
> http://chrusion.com/BJ7/ASICalc.html
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp
> Carson City, Nv
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:16 PM
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Air speed Indicator
>
> KFer's, What is the best way to test the ASI system? Mine registered stall
> at 27 and cruise at 47. I tried rolling up surgical tube on the pitot tube
> to get a reading to no avail. Is there a way to test the ASI seperately?
>
> --
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford,IL
>
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 04/21/10 |
ASI problems=3B
I had simular problems on my first flight in my mod 3. Mud Dobers got into
the pitot tube of which I thought I had removed all the dibris only to hav
e some of the loose sand which they use flow into the asi and then plug the
screne at the exit port of the indicator. I removed the indicator and all
tubing conectors on the back side and was able to see the pluged screan. Ho
lding the unit with the ports down I carefully brushed the screan with a so
ft fine wire probe and watched the dirt fall out. This worked for me and ha
s been fine ever since. Your indicator may be different and I don' know why
there is a screan at the exit port only except for possibly some backpress
ure to make it work right. I hope this will help you out too.
Jim Missler
Kitfox Mod 3
Jabiru 2200 Ser.# 976
Prince 64-28 Prop
Just Plane Fun To Fly
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> 1. 06:41 AM - Fuel pump rebuild (rosane beaule)
> 2. 08:04 AM - Re: Brake pedal ergonomics (jridgway)
> 3. 01:20 PM - Re: Gas fitting sealant (Perkins=2C Mike)
> 4. 02:07 PM - Re: Gas fitting sealant (Patrick Reilly)
> 5. 03:49 PM - Rotax fuel pressure (jridgway)
> 6. 05:42 PM - Re: Rotax fuel pressure (Roger Lee)
> 7. 05:43 PM - Re: Fuel pump rebuild (Roger Lee)
> 8. 05:47 PM - Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (Roger Lee)
> 9. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (sourdostan@aol.com)
> 10. 07:20 PM - Air speed Indicator (Patrick Reilly)
> 11. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (paul wilson)
> 12. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (Lowell Fitt)
> 13. 09:07 PM - Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (Roger Lee)
>
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>
> ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
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>
>
> Time: 06:41:05 AM PST US
> From: "rosane beaule" <rob10@tlb.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel pump rebuild
>
> Hi all=2C anyone knows the part number for a rebuild kit for the fuel pum
p
> on a 912 and a good place to buy it?
> thanks
> Jack
>
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>
> Time: 08:04:52 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake pedal ergonomics
> From: "jridgway" <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
>
>
> raising the brake arm up 1.5 inch solved my problem. makes all the differ
ence in
> the world. however=2C they are no longer true 'toe-brakes'. You do have t
o lift
> you feet some to get on them.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295098#295098
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>
> Time: 01:20:37 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gas fitting sealant
> From: "Perkins=2C Mike" <Michael.Perkins@rauland.com>
>
> The best fuel sealant that I've found for threaded fittings is Dow 730
> Solvent Resistant Sealant. It was specifically designed by Dow for use
> with fuel and other solvents. It's been on my airplane for 16 years now.
> It doesn't harden=2C so it doesn't crack. Also=2C it really doesn't have
to
> cure before you let gasoline at it - the fittings are ready to use right
> away. But it's not cheap. Sit down for this - it costs $99.50 for a 3-oz
> tube from Aircraft Spruce. Years ago I convinced Phil to start stocking
> it. At first he thought I was crazy. Maybe you all will=2C too. But no
> fitting has ever leaked with it. A tube will probably do 10 airplanes=2C
> which is why I loan it to my friends. We have all had good experience
> with it. I've kept mine in a frig since I bought it and it's still good.
>
>
> - Mike
>
>
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>
> Time: 02:07:49 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gas fitting sealant
> From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>
> Mike=2C Thanks for the recommendation. I put mine back together today wit
h th
> e
> Permatex non hardening that I already had and that Lynn says he uses. I'l
l
> put gas in it tomorrow. If it leaks again=2C I will bite the bullet and t
ry
> the stuff you recommend. Did you use it on fittings going into plastic ta
nk
> s
> with worn threads?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 REBUILT
> Rockford=2C IL
>
> On Wed=2C Apr 21=2C 2010 at 3:18 PM=2C Perkins=2C Mike
> <Michael.Perkins@rauland.com>wrote:
>
> > The best fuel sealant that I=92ve found for threaded fittings is Dow
730
> > Solvent Resistant Sealant. It was specifically designed by Dow for use
wi
> th
> > fuel and other solvents. It=92s been on my airplane for 16 years now.
It
> > doesn=92t harden=2C so it doesn=92t crack. Also=2C it really doesn
=92t have t
> o cure
> > before you let gasoline at it ' the fittings are ready to use right awa
> y.
> > But it=92s not cheap. Sit down for this ' it costs $99.50 for a 3-oz
tu
> be from
> > Aircraft Spruce. Years ago I convinced Phil to start stocking it. At fi
rs
> t
> > he thought I was crazy. Maybe you all will=2C too. But no fitting has e
ver
> > leaked with it. A tube will probably do 10 airplanes=2C which is why I
loan
> it
> > to my friends. We have all had good experience with it. I=92ve kept m
ine
> in a
> > frig since I bought it and it=92s still good.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > *
> >
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> --
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford=2CIL
>
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>
> Time: 03:49:56 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax fuel pressure
> From: "jridgway" <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
>
>
> I am in the process of adding a electric fuel pump in parallel to my Rota
x 582
> (DCDI) single pressure pump. what pressure should I set the pressure regu
lator
> at?
> I have a pressure gauge on the plane now and it usually reads between 4-6
PSI with
> the mechanical pump only.
> thanks..Jack
> Is 5 PSI to high or to low?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295166#295166
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>
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>
> Time: 05:42:05 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax fuel pressure
> From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
>
> The max is 5.8 psi=2C but no real reason to set it up there. 5.0-5.5 woul
d do just
> fine. Normal for most engines while running is 3.1 - 4.6 psi
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson=2C Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295181#295181
>
>
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>
> Time: 05:43:28 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel pump rebuild
> From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
>
> No rebuild kit for the mechanical 912 pump. It is sealed. You have to buy
the pump.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson=2C Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295187#295187
>
>
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>
> Time: 05:47:12 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
> From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi Clem=2C
>
> If your electrical system is exposed you absolutely should cover it. Leav
ing it
> exposed is too risky for your safety and for the engine. If something get
s into
> this it will be very costly. I would consider this as an important issue
to
> take care of.
> I would be asking the question of where it went? They come with the cover
on all
> 912's.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson=2C Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295188#295188
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 ______________________________
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>
>
> Time: 06:27:01 PM PST US
> From: sourdostan@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
>
>
> Earler ones didn't.
>
> Stan Specht
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 21=2C 2010=2C at 8:44 PM=2C "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrot
e:
>
> >
> > Hi Clem=2C
> >
> > If your electrical system is exposed you absolutely should cover it.
> > Leaving it exposed is too risky for your safety and for the engine.
> > If something gets into this it will be very costly. I would consider
> > this as an important issue to take care of.
> > I would be asking the question of where it went? They come with the
> > cover on all 912's.
> >
> > --------
> > Roger Lee
> > Tucson=2C Az.
> > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> > Rotax Repair Center
> > 520-574-1080
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295188#295188
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 07:20:47 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Air speed Indicator
> From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>
> KFer's=2C What is the best way to test the ASI system? Mine registered st
all
> at 27 and cruise at 47. I tried rolling up surgical tube on the pitot tub
e
> to get a reading to no avail. Is there a way to test the ASI seperately?
>
> --
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford=2CIL
>
> ________________________________ Message 11 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 07:36:13 PM PST US
> From: paul wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
>
>
> Right=2C that cover came with the new and improved pricing on the
> 912UL. It was about a $2k item.
> Paul
> =====
> At 07:15 PM 4/21/2010=2C you wrote:
> >
> >Earler ones didn't.
> >
> >Stan Specht
> >
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On Apr 21=2C 2010=2C at 8:44 PM=2C "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wro
te:
> >
> >>
> >>Hi Clem=2C
> >>
> >>If your electrical system is exposed you absolutely should cover it.
> >>Leaving it exposed is too risky for your safety and for the engine.
> >>If something gets into this it will be very costly. I would consider
> >>this as an important issue to take care of.
> >>I would be asking the question of where it went? They come with the
> >>cover on all 912's.
> >>
> >>--------
> >>Roger Lee
> >>Tucson=2C Az.
> >>Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> >>Rotax Repair Center
> >>520-574-1080
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295188#295188
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 08:07:42 PM PST US
> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
>
>
> Not true=2C Roger. My 1996 R-912 did not come with one. They were introdu
ced
> later to keep stuff from being dropped into the area and sticking to the
> magnets. I don't think I ever had one=2C but I was extremely careful in t
hat
> area. I do=2C though agree that they are a good idea. I have one on my ne
w
> (second hand) engine.
>
> Lowell
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C April 21=2C 2010 5:44 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
>
> >
> > Hi Clem=2C
> >
> > If your electrical system is exposed you absolutely should cover it.
> > Leaving it exposed is too risky for your safety and for the engine. If
> > something gets into this it will be very costly. I would consider this
as
> > an important issue to take care of.
> > I would be asking the question of where it went? They come with the cov
er
> > on all 912's.
> >
> > --------
> > Roger Lee
> > Tucson=2C Az.
> > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> > Rotax Repair Center
> > 520-574-1080
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295188#295188
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 09:07:48 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
> From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi Lowell=2C
>
> If they didn't come that way back then=2C I stand corrected (Thanks)=2C b
ut I'd certainly
> get one on there now. I don't think I have ever had an engine come throug
h
> here without one. I know how much those parts cost and how much labor cos
t
> are to fix some of those things in that area. That cover cost $75. The pa
rts
> and labor could easily make it ten+ times that to fix broken items depend
ing on
> the damage.
>
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> Roger Lee
> Tucson=2C Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295220#295220
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