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1. 04:31 AM - Re: Fuel pump rebuild (vetdrem)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: Fuel pump rebuild (bjones@dmv.com)
3. 02:39 PM - Re: Rotax fuel pressure (jridgway)
4. 02:44 PM - Old Jab - thoughts (Paul Folbrecht)
5. 03:41 PM - Re: Rotax fuel pressure (dave)
6. 06:44 PM - Re: Old Jab - thoughts (Malcolm Brubaker)
7. 10:13 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 04/21/10 (Patrick Reilly)
8. 10:16 PM - Re: Old Jab - thoughts (Paul Folbrecht)
9. 10:28 PM - Re: Re: Old Jab - thoughts (Patrick Reilly)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump rebuild |
I just installed the second new pump on my 912. At about 120 hr. run time, I noticed
a small amount of gas at the vent hole on the bottom side of the diaphragm.
Nothing to do except write a check for $182 (includes shipping) to get a
new one. I wasn't flying the Kitfox much at the time, and after about 75 hrs
and over a years time on that pump, it started leaking again. I called Pam at
Leading Edge Air Foils to order a new one and to complain loudly. She sold
me a new one and had me fill out the paperwork for a warranty claim. It was well
beyond the warranty period, but she was able to get the factory to cover it.
The two points that I learned from this is, 1) a pump is good for about 100 hours
on my airplane, and 2) buy from Pam at LEAF, she will do what ever she can
to make things right.
Louie
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel pump rebuild |
A friend who works with one of the light sport factories mentioned that
Rotax has been seeing failures of fuel pumps on new engines recently. My
bet is Rotax will get it sorted out fairly quickly, in the mean time there
may be some failure prone units within the delivery system.
As an aside, the fuel pump on my senior citizen 912 lasted over 15 years
when it developed a small oil leak which the folks at Lockwood picked up
on instantly.
B Jones
Kitfox IV
N154K
Kitfox-List message posted by: "vetdrem" <vetdrem@hotmail.com>
>
> I just installed the second new pump on my 912. At about 120 hr. run
> time, I noticed a small amount of gas at the vent hole on the bottom side
> of the diaphragm. Nothing to do except write a check for $182 (includes
> shipping) to get a new one. I wasn't flying the Kitfox much at the time,
> and after about 75 hrs and over a years time on that pump, it started
> leaking again. I called Pam at Leading Edge Air Foils to order a new one
> and to complain loudly. She sold me a new one and had me fill out the
> paperwork for a warranty claim. It was well beyond the warranty period,
> but she was able to get the factory to cover it.
>
> The two points that I learned from this is, 1) a pump is good for about
> 100 hours on my airplane, and 2) buy from Pam at LEAF, she will do what
> ever she can to make things right.
>
> Louie
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295379#295379
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax fuel pressure |
thanks..
I think I will try 4.99 PSI and see if that works...
Appreciate all the feedback...
Jack
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| Subject: | Old Jab - thoughts |
How would you react to a Jabiru 2200 with these characteristics:
- Build in 95 (sn #60)
- 125h TT
- NEW cylinders & pistons in 2004 (larger fins)
- NEW conrods in 2008, including replacement of all seals & gaskets in the low
end
Such an engine is past the time-based TBO. Is it equivalent (value-wise) to a
run-out core?? Or is it closer to a 2004 engine with 125 TT??
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax fuel pressure |
Jack,
The Kitfox should gravity feed ok. I have over 1600 hours on my current Kitfox
and only have a mikuni. I have 3 other kitfox at my strip that have one pump only
and no troubles ........ yet.
If you cannot gravity feed I would feel like some redundancy might be needed but
not on the Kitfox as much.
eg Challlenger or Beaver RX , Chinook. etc
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| Subject: | Re: Old Jab - thoughts |
how much are they asking?-- what would you exoect to do to it before yo
u flew it? and would you do it your self?=0A-Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan
Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___
_____________________________=0AFrom: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribo
x.net>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, April 23, 2010 5:43:50
PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Old Jab - thoughts=0A=0A--> Kitfox-List message
posted by: "Paul Folbrecht" <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>=0A=0AHow would you
react to a Jabiru 2200 with these characteristics:=0A=0A- Build in 95 (sn
#60)=0A- 125h TT=0A- NEW cylinders & pistons in 2004 (larger fins)=0A- NEW
conrods in 2008, including replacement of all seals & gaskets in the low en
d=0A=0ASuch an engine is past the time-based TBO.- Is it equivalent (valu
e-wise) to a run-out core??- Or is it closer to a 2004 engine with 125 TT
??=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 04/21/10 |
Jim, Thanks. My problem was easier to diagnose and fix. A piece of surgical
tubing connecting the pitot tube and the plastic tube in the wing had rotted
and was leaking. An access port was at that point and despite the aluminum
diagonal brace in the way, I was able to replace it.
Pat Reilly
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:24 PM, James Missler <misslerfarms@msn.com> wrote:
> ASI problems;
>
> I had simular problems on my first flight in my mod 3. Mud Dobers got into
> the pitot tube of which I thought I had removed all the dibris only to have
> some of the loose sand which they use flow into the asi and then plug the
> screne at the exit port of the indicator. I removed the indicator and all
> tubing conectors on the back side and was able to see the pluged screan.
> Holding the unit with the ports down I carefully brushed the screan with a
> soft fine wire probe and watched the dirt fall out. This worked for me and
> has been fine ever since. Your indicator may be different and I don' know
> why there is a screan at the exit port only except for possibly some
> backpressure to make it work right. I hope this will help you out too.
>
> Jim Missler
> Kitfox Mod 3
> Jabiru 2200 Ser.# 976
> Prince 64-28 Prop
> Just Plane Fun To Fly
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:59:43 -0700
> > From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> > To: kitfox-list-digest@matronics.com
> > Subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 04/21/10
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> >
> > 1. 06:41 AM - Fuel pump rebuild (rosane beaule)
> > 2. 08:04 AM - Re: Brake pedal ergonomics (jridgway)
> > 3. 01:20 PM - Re: Gas fitting sealant (Perkins, Mike)
> > 4. 02:07 PM - Re: Gas fitting sealant (Patrick Reilly)
> > 5. 03:49 PM - Rotax fuel pressure (jridgway)
> > 6. 05:42 PM - Re: Rotax fuel pressure (Roger Lee)
> > 7. 05:43 PM - Re: Fuel pump rebuild (Roger Lee)
> > 8. 05:47 PM - Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (Roger Lee)
> > 9. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (sourdostan@aol.com)
> > 10. 07:20 PM - Air speed Indicator (Patrick Reilly)
> > 11. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (paul wilson)
> > 12. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (Lowell Fitt)
> > 13. 09:07 PM - Re: Using a 912 alternator cover? (Roger Lee)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:41:05 AM PST US
> > From: "rosane beaule" <rob10@tlb.sympatico.ca>
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Fuel pump rebuild
> >
> > Hi all, anyone knows the part number for a rebuild kit for the fuel pump
> > on a 912 and a good place to buy it?
> > thanks
> > Jack
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:04:52 AM PST US
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Brake pedal ergonomics
> > From: "jridgway" <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
> >
> >
> > raising the brake arm up 1.5 inch solved my problem. makes all the
> difference in
> > the world. however, they are no longer true 'toe-brakes'. You do have to
> lift
> > you feet some to get on them.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295098#295098
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 01:20:37 PM PST US
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gas fitting sealant
> > From: "Perkins, Mike" <Michael.Perkins@rauland.com>
> >
> > The best fuel sealant that I've found for threaded fittings is Dow 730
> > Solvent Resistant Sealant. It was specifically designed by Dow for use
> > with fuel and other solvents. It's been on my airplane for 16 years now.
> > It doesn't harden, so it doesn't crack. Also, it really doesn't have to
> > cure before you let gasoline at it - the fittings are ready to use right
> > away. But it's not cheap. Sit down for this - it costs $99.50 for a 3-oz
> > tube from Aircraft Spruce. Years ago I convinced Phil to start stocking
> > it. At first he thought I was crazy. Maybe you all will, too. But no
> > fitting has ever leaked with it. A tube will probably do 10 airplanes,
> > which is why I loan it to my friends. We have all had good experience
> > with it. I've kept mine in a frig since I bought it and it's still good.
> >
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:07:49 PM PST US
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gas fitting sealant
> > From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> >
> > Mike, Thanks for the recommendation. I put mine back together today with
> th
> > e
> > Permatex non hardening that I already had and that Lynn says he uses.
> I'll
> > put gas in it tomorrow. If it leaks again, I will bite the bullet and try
> > the stuff you recommend. Did you use it on fittings going into plastic
> tank
> > s
> > with worn threads?
> >
> > Pat Reilly
> > Mod 3 582 REBUILT
> > Rockford, IL
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Perkins, Mike
> > <Michael.Perkins@rauland.com>wrote:
> >
> > > The best fuel sealant that I=92ve found for threaded fittings is Dow
> 730
> > > Solvent Resistant Sealant. It was specifically designed by Dow for use
> wi
> > th
> > > fuel and other solvents. It=92s been on my airplane for 16 years now.
> It
> > > doesn=92t harden, so it doesn=92t crack. Also, it really doesn=92t have
> t
> > o cure
> > > before you let gasoline at it ' the fittings are ready to use right awa
> > y.
> > > But it=92s not cheap. Sit down for this ' it costs $99.50 for a 3-oz tu
> > be from
> > > Aircraft Spruce. Years ago I convinced Phil to start stocking it. At
> firs
> > t
> > > he thought I was crazy. Maybe you all will, too. But no fitting has
> ever
> > > leaked with it. A tube will probably do 10 airplanes, which is why I
> loan
> > it
> > > to my friends. We have all had good experience with it. I=92ve kept
> mine
> > in a
> > > frig since I bought it and it=92s still good.
> > >
> > > - Mike
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > ==========
> > ==========
> > ==========
> > ==========
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pat Reilly
> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > Rockford,IL
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 03:49:56 PM PST US
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Rotax fuel pressure
> > From: "jridgway" <jridgway@academicplanet.com>
> >
> >
> > I am in the process of adding a electric fuel pump in parallel to my
> Rotax 582
> > (DCDI) single pressure pump. what pressure should I set the pressure
> regulator
> > at?
> > I have a pressure gauge on the plane now and it usually reads between 4-6
> PSI with
> > the mechanical pump only.
> > thanks..Jack
> > Is 5 PSI to high or to low?
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295166#295166
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:42:05 PM PST US
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Rotax fuel pressure
> > From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > The max is 5.8 psi, but no real reason to set it up there. 5.0-5.5 would
> do just
> > fine. Normal for most engines while running is 3.1 - 4.6 psi
> >
> > --------
> > Roger Lee
> > Tucson, Az.
> > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> > Rotax Repair Center
> > 520-574-1080
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295181#295181
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:43:28 PM PST US
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Fuel pump rebuild
> > From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > No rebuild kit for the mechanical 912 pump. It is sealed. You have to buy
> the pump.
> >
> > --------
> > Roger Lee
> > Tucson, Az.
> > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> > Rotax Repair Center
> > 520-574-1080
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295187#295187
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:47:12 PM PST US
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
> > From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Hi Clem,
> >
> > If your electrical system is exposed you absolutely should cover it.
> Leaving it
> > exposed is too risky for your safety and for the engine. If something
> gets into
> > this it will be very costly. I would consider this as an important issue
> to
> > take care of.
> > I would be asking the question of where it went? They come with the cover
> on all
> > 912's.
> >
> > --------
> > Roger Lee
> > Tucson, Az.
> > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> > Rotax Repair Center
> > 520-574-1080
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295188#295188
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:27:01 PM PST US
> > From: sourdostan@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
> >
> >
> > Earler ones didn't.
> >
> > Stan Specht
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:44 PM, "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Clem,
> > >
> > > If your electrical system is exposed you absolutely should cover it.
> > > Leaving it exposed is too risky for your safety and for the engine.
> > > If something gets into this it will be very costly. I would consider
> > > this as an important issue to take care of.
> > > I would be asking the question of where it went? They come with the
> > > cover on all 912's.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Roger Lee
> > > Tucson, Az.
> > > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> > > Rotax Repair Center
> > > 520-574-1080
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295188#295188
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:20:47 PM PST US
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Air speed Indicator
> > From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> >
> > KFer's, What is the best way to test the ASI system? Mine registered
> stall
> > at 27 and cruise at 47. I tried rolling up surgical tube on the pitot
> tube
> > to get a reading to no avail. Is there a way to test the ASI seperately?
> >
> > --
> > Pat Reilly
> > Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> > Rockford,IL
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:36:13 PM PST US
> > From: paul wilson <pwmac@sisna.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
> >
> >
> > Right, that cover came with the new and improved pricing on the
> > 912UL. It was about a $2k item.
> > Paul
> > =====
> > At 07:15 PM 4/21/2010, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Earler ones didn't.
> > >
> > >Stan Specht
> > >
> > >
> > >Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:44 PM, "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Hi Clem,
> > >>
> > >>If your electrical system is exposed you absolutely should cover it.
> > >>Leaving it exposed is too risky for your safety and for the engine.
> > >>If something gets into this it will be very costly. I would consider
> > >>this as an important issue to take care of.
> > >>I would be asking the question of where it went? They come with the
> > >>cover on all 912's.
> > >>
> > >>--------
> > >>Roger Lee
> > >>Tucson, Az.
> > >>Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> > >>Rotax Repair Center
> > >>520-574-1080
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Read this topic online here:
> > >>
> > >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295188#295188
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:07:42 PM PST US
> > From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
> >
> >
> > Not true, Roger. My 1996 R-912 did not come with one. They were
> introduced
> > later to keep stuff from being dropped into the area and sticking to the
> > magnets. I don't think I ever had one, but I was extremely careful in
> that
> > area. I do, though agree that they are a good idea. I have one on my new
> > (second hand) engine.
> >
> > Lowell
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:44 PM
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Clem,
> > >
> > > If your electrical system is exposed you absolutely should cover it.
> > > Leaving it exposed is too risky for your safety and for the engine. If
> > > something gets into this it will be very costly. I would consider this
> as
> > > an important issue to take care of.
> > > I would be asking the question of where it went? They come with the
> cover
> > > on all 912's.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Roger Lee
> > > Tucson, Az.
> > > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> > > Rotax Repair Center
> > > 520-574-1080
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295188#295188
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:07:48 PM PST US
> > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Using a 912 alternator cover?
> > From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Hi Lowell,
> >
> > If they didn't come that way back then, I stand corrected (Thanks), but
> I'd certainly
> > get one on there now. I don't think I have ever had an engine come
> through
> > here without one. I know how much those parts cost and how much labor
> cost
> > are to fix some of those things in that area. That cover cost $75. The
> parts
> > and labor could easily make it ten+ times that to fix broken items
> depending on
> > the damage.
> >
> > --------
> > Roger Lee
> > Tucson, Az.
> > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> > Rotax Repair Center
> > 520-574-1080
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295220#295220
> >
> >
> > > _===============
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Old Jab - thoughts |
Engine's on a plane, actually. I would not plan on doing anything to it - it's
on a plane and flying. Just wondering if there is some metric or standard to
gauge engines that are beyond time TBO like this one. I don't think there is
- just a case by case thing.
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| Subject: | Re: Old Jab - thoughts |
Compression and leak down tests won't tell you everything but they are one
measure of ring and valve wear..
Pat Reilly
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net
> wrote:
> paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
>
> Engine's on a plane, actually. I would not plan on doing anything to it -
> it's on a plane and flying. Just wondering if there is some metric or
> standard to gauge engines that are beyond time TBO like this one. I don't
> think there is - just a case by case thing.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295524#295524
>
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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