---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/27/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:24 AM - Re: Old Jab - thoughts (Don McIntosh) 2. 10:57 AM - Windshield Replacement (rawheels) 3. 02:25 PM - Re: Windshield Replacement (Patrick Reilly) 4. 02:35 PM - Part number for Mercedes gasket. (Clint Bazzill) 5. 06:02 PM - Re: Windshield Replacement (Lowell FITT) 6. 07:05 PM - Re: Part number for Mercedes gasket. (Av8r3400) 7. 07:13 PM - Re: Windshield Replacement (Av8r3400) 8. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: Part number for Mercedes gasket. (Bill Hammond) 9. 09:30 PM - Re: Windshield Replacement (Clint Bazzill) 10. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: Part number for Mercedes gasket. (Clint Bazzill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:22 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Old Jab - thoughts From: "Don McIntosh" There is an interesting article in the January EAA Sport Aviation Magazine on TBO and how the airlines have gotten away from this as a basis for maintenance based on statistical data. -------- Don McIntosh Kitfox Series 7 Jabiru 3300 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295853#295853 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:45 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Windshield Replacement From: "rawheels" There is a pretty huge cost savings between the preformed acrylic windshields and the windshield kit (.090 lexan and a pattern) from Kitfox. Is forming a new windshield from flat stock something that a first timer can actually do? Or, am I going to end up buying multiple sheets of flat stock trying to accomplish an impossible task? Also, after doing a search on previous posts it looks like some have used .060" and some .090" lexan. Sounded like the .060" was a lot easier to use. If so, should I see about the possibility of just buying a pattern from Kitfox and try to figure out where I can get some of the thiner stuff locally (or ask the McBeans if the thiner is an option)? -------- Ryan Wheeler Kitfox IV-1200 Indianapolis, IN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295888#295888 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Windshield Replacement From: Patrick Reilly Ryan, I built my own using the old one as a pattern and used thicker than .060. I used something other than std Lexan or Plexi. I can't remember what it is. It is softer and more flexible than lexan or Plexi. I would look up what it is but I'd hesitate to recommend it as school isn't out yet on it. It did craze at the top corner bends. I actually built mine in 2 pieces. The top of the cabin is tinted Lexan, windshield clear what ever it is. Pat Reilly Mod 3 REBUILT Rockford, IL On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:56 PM, rawheels wrote: > > There is a pretty huge cost savings between the preformed acrylic > windshields and the windshield kit (.090 lexan and a pattern) from Kitfox. > Is forming a new windshield from flat stock something that a first timer > can actually do? Or, am I going to end up buying multiple sheets of flat > stock trying to accomplish an impossible task? > > Also, after doing a search on previous posts it looks like some have used > .060" and some .090" lexan. Sounded like the .060" was a lot easier to use. > If so, should I see about the possibility of just buying a pattern from > Kitfox and try to figure out where I can get some of the thiner stuff > locally (or ask the McBeans if the thiner is an option)? > > -------- > Ryan Wheeler > Kitfox IV-1200 > Indianapolis, IN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295888#295888 > > -- Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford,IL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:15 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: Kitfox-List: Part number for Mercedes gasket. Hi=2C What is the part number for the Mercedes gas tank gasket that we use on our fuel tanks? Thanks Clint ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:18 PM PST US From: Lowell FITT Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Windshield Replacement Ryan, There is no set pattern for the windshield. Every builder would set rivet/screw spacing, exact cowl placement, etc. They are essentially a one off design, but once made the pattern will work forever on that particular Kitfox. Yes anyone can fit one by following the instructions in the builders manual. John might be able to help there. Regarding thickness. The .060" was standard on all regular Model IVs and earlier models. The .093" was standard on the Speedster and allowed for the higher VNE. I understand it is the only limiting factor there. The .093 is a bit more able to withstand the speeds without caving in a bit in the front so many opted for that and I suspect that is where you read of the problems installing and also the greater tendency for crazing at the bend. I recently rechecked the spec sheets for the minimum recommended bend radius and it is 100 times the material thickness. Example, the .060 would have a minumum ideal bend of 6" radius. We are seriously over stressing this material in our application. For what it's worth, I plan on using the .060 on my new (old) model IV. Also there are a number of brands of Polycarbonate, Lexan is one. I plan on using the variety sold by a local supplier. I am presently out of town or would check the manual for more specific instructions. If you don't find help in that area before I get home, post again. Lowell --- On Tue, 4/27/10, rawheels wrote: > From: rawheels > Subject: Kitfox-List: Windshield Replacement > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 10:56 AM > "rawheels" > > There is a pretty huge cost savings between the preformed > acrylic windshields and the windshield kit (.090 lexan and a > pattern) from Kitfox. Is forming a new windshield from > flat stock something that a first timer can actually > do? Or, am I going to end up buying multiple sheets of > flat stock trying to accomplish an impossible task? > > Also, after doing a search on previous posts it looks like > some have used .060" and some .090" lexan. Sounded > like the .060" was a lot easier to use. If so, should > I see about the possibility of just buying a pattern from > Kitfox and try to figure out where I can get some of the > thiner stuff locally (or ask the McBeans if the thiner is an > option)? > > -------- > Ryan Wheeler > Kitfox IV-1200 > Indianapolis, IN > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:34 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Part number for Mercedes gasket. From: "Av8r3400" I used Cessna fuel cap gaskets. They worked perfectly and were $5 each from Wag-Aero at Sun 'n Fun. No more fuel stains... -------- Thanks, Av8r3400 Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295950#295950 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:49 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Windshield Replacement From: "Av8r3400" If you have ever seen or even better flown in a plane with the molded windshield/skylight, you will easily be able to justify the cost. There is no comparison. -------- Thanks, Av8r3400 Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295951#295951 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:17 PM PST US From: Bill Hammond Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Part number for Mercedes gasket. They are called SEAL RING part # is 140 471 00 79. William Hammond Series 6 Parker, CO Av8r3400 wrote: > > I used Cessna fuel cap gaskets. They worked perfectly and were $5 each from Wag-Aero at Sun 'n Fun. No more fuel stains... > > -------- > Thanks, > Av8r3400 > > Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO > Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295950#295950 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:02 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Windshield Replacement Lowell=2C I disagree about the thickness=2C the Model IV's were .093 inch and the Spe edster was .118. They had problems with cracking and changed the Speedster to .093. Its in the Service Bulleton #34. I replaced my windshield with the Tapp Plastic .118 inch (3m m). Annealed it with heat gun and it has held up for many years. If I hit a bird=2C would like the thicker windshield. The increase in airspeed Vne of 140 for the Speedster as compared to the IV's 125 was the extra windshie ld thickness. Check out link below. http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/support/service_bulletins/sb34.htm > Date: Tue=2C 27 Apr 2010 18:00:01 -0700 > From: lcfitt@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Windshield Replacement > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > Ryan=2C > > There is no set pattern for the windshield. Every builder would set rivet /screw spacing=2C exact cowl placement=2C etc. They are essentially a one o ff design=2C but once made the pattern will work forever on that particular Kitfox. > > Yes anyone can fit one by following the instructions in the builders manu al. John might be able to help there. > > Regarding thickness. The .060" was standard on all regular Model IVs and earlier models. The .093" was standard on the Speedster and allowed for th e higher VNE. I understand it is the only limiting factor there. The .093 is a bit more able to withstand the speeds without caving in a bit in the front so many opted for that and I suspect that is where you read of the p roblems installing and also the greater tendency for crazing at the bend. I recently rechecked the spec sheets for the minimum recommended bend radiu s and it is 100 times the material thickness. Example=2C the .060 would ha ve a minumum ideal bend of 6" radius. We are seriously over stressing this material in our application. For what it's worth=2C I plan on using the . 060 on my new (old) model IV. Also there are a number of brands of Polycar bonate=2C Lexan is one. I plan on using the variety sold by a local suppli er. > > I am presently out of town or would check the manual for more specific in structions. If you don't find help in that area before I get home=2C post again. > > Lowell > > --- On Tue=2C 4/27/10=2C rawheels wrote: > > > From: rawheels > > Subject: Kitfox-List: Windshield Replacement > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > Date: Tuesday=2C April 27=2C 2010=2C 10:56 AM > > "rawheels" > > > > There is a pretty huge cost savings between the preformed > > acrylic windshields and the windshield kit (.090 lexan and a > > pattern) from Kitfox. Is forming a new windshield from > > flat stock something that a first timer can actually > > do? Or=2C am I going to end up buying multiple sheets of > > flat stock trying to accomplish an impossible task? > > > > Also=2C after doing a search on previous posts it looks like > > some have used .060" and some .090" lexan. Sounded > > like the .060" was a lot easier to use. If so=2C should > > I see about the possibility of just buying a pattern from > > Kitfox and try to figure out where I can get some of the > > thiner stuff locally (or ask the McBeans if the thiner is an > > option)? > > > > -------- > > Ryan Wheeler > > Kitfox IV-1200 > > Indianapolis=2C IN > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:46 PM PST US From: Clint Bazzill Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Part number for Mercedes gasket. Thanks Bill. > Date: Tue=2C 27 Apr 2010 20:39:32 -0600 > From: kitfox@itsys3.com > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Part number for Mercedes gasket. > > > They are called SEAL RING part # is 140 471 00 79. > > William Hammond > Series 6 > Parker=2C CO > > Av8r3400 wrote: > > > > I used Cessna fuel cap gaskets. They worked perfectly and were $5 each from Wag-Aero at Sun 'n Fun. No more fuel stains... > > > > -------- > > Thanks=2C > > Av8r3400 > > > > Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL &=3B IVO > > Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL &=3B Warp > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295950#295950 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.