---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/02/10: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:16 AM - Re: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) (Michael Logan) 2. 07:39 AM - Re: Luggage/Cargo Bag FOR SALE (PICTURES ATTACHED) (FlyboyTR) 3. 09:55 AM - Re: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) (larry huntley) 4. 12:47 PM - Re: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler (fox5flyer) 5. 12:52 PM - Flap rivets folllowup. (Dave G) 6. 12:56 PM - Kitfox list (floran higgins) 7. 03:11 PM - Re: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler (Michael Logan) 8. 06:57 PM - Larger tail Wheel (Patrick Reilly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:44 AM PST US From: "Michael Logan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) Larry, Nice looking muffler system. Did you allow for expansion differences between the engine and the muffler? I had a similar system (NSI) on my Kitfox and it developed cracks at the pipe/muffler joint. I ended up putting a slip joint right at the muffler and no problems after that. It is a much quieter system with the muffler. Mike Logan Kitfox Series 5 RAM EA-81 From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of larry huntley Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) Subject: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) I don't know if these will come through,but I told you I would try to let you know about the results of my muffler for the Kitfox 4-1200 EA-81. I had 2 straight stacks on it for 550 hrs. It was awful after the 1st 2 hrs. ;o) I didn't know much about mufflers ,but with a lot of help from the group and particularily from Al Wick,I have an exhaust system that seems to work very well. If you check Al's posts and ideas you will find info for a system that works better than advertized. I made my first flight with it today. I flew over a friends house. He said a little later a C-172 flew over much higher and my plane was much quieter. My wife and I have never been able to converse in the Fox,but today I talked with her on a cell phone from the air. The difference is spectacular. The only change I made from Al's plans was to make it 10" long instead of 6". This was only because I had the material and the space. Tomorrow we fly to Breakfast about 20 mi away. We will get Mary's input. Larry Huntley,Dundee,NY kitfox muffler 014 (2) kitfox muffler 015 (2) kitfox muffler 016 (2) kitfox muffler 017 (2) kitfox muffler 018 (2) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:52 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Luggage/Cargo Bag FOR SALE (PICTURES ATTACHED) From: "FlyboyTR" PRICE DROP... $75 and actual shipping costs. Thanks. Travis :D -------- Travis Rayner Mobile, AL Skystar Vixen, N-789DF Continental IO-240, Prince P-Tip Prop ADI-II Autopilot AnyWhereMap Navigation with weather www.enotam.net (My Flying Info Website) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296466#296466 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:47 AM PST US From: "larry huntley" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) Hi Mike, The muffler and the pipes are separate pieces. I bolt on one side, slip on the muffler, slip on the other pipe and bolt it up. There are holes drilled through the stacks and muffler and pins in the clamps that live in those hole. It is like the system on a Piper. I was familiar with the NSI problem. My stepson used one and had the same problems. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Logan To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:11 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) Larry, Nice looking muffler system. Did you allow for expansion differences between the engine and the muffler? I had a similar system (NSI) on my Kitfox and it developed cracks at the pipe/muffler joint. I ended up putting a slip joint right at the muffler and no problems after that. It is a much quieter system with the muffler. Mike Logan Kitfox Series 5 RAM EA-81 From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of larry huntley Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:40 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) Subject: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) I don't know if these will come through,but I told you I would try to let you know about the results of my muffler for the Kitfox 4-1200 EA-81. I had 2 straight stacks on it for 550 hrs. It was awful after the 1st 2 hrs. ;o) I didn't know much about mufflers ,but with a lot of help from the group and particularily from Al Wick,I have an exhaust system that seems to work very well. If you check Al's posts and ideas you will find info for a system that works better than advertized. I made my first flight with it today. I flew over a friends house. He said a little later a C-172 flew over much higher and my plane was much quieter. My wife and I have never been able to converse in the Fox,but today I talked with her on a cell phone from the air. The difference is spectacular. The only change I made from Al's plans was to make it 10" long instead of 6". This was only because I had the material and the space. Tomorrow we fly to Breakfast about 20 mi away. We will get Mary's input. Larry Huntley,Dundee,NY The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: kitfox muffler 014 (2) kitfox muffler 015 (2) kitfox muffler 016 (2) kitfox muffler 017 (2) kitfox muffler 018 (2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05/01/10 06:27:00 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:15 PM PST US From: "fox5flyer" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler Mike, do you have any photos you can send of your slip joints? I have about 450 hours so far with no problems, but I suspect that one day I will. Thanks, Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Logan To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:11 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) Larry, Nice looking muffler system. Did you allow for expansion differences between the engine and the muffler? I had a similar system (NSI) on my Kitfox and it developed cracks at the pipe/muffler joint. I ended up putting a slip joint right at the muffler and no problems after that. It is a much quieter system with the muffler. Mike Logan Kitfox Series 5 RAM EA-81 From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of larry huntley Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:40 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) Subject: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) I don't know if these will come through,but I told you I would try to let you know about the results of my muffler for the Kitfox 4-1200 EA-81. I had 2 straight stacks on it for 550 hrs. It was awful after the 1st 2 hrs. ;o) I didn't know much about mufflers ,but with a lot of help from the group and particularily from Al Wick,I have an exhaust system that seems to work very well. If you check Al's posts and ideas you will find info for a system that works better than advertized. I made my first flight with it today. I flew over a friends house. He said a little later a C-172 flew over much higher and my plane was much quieter. My wife and I have never been able to converse in the Fox,but today I talked with her on a cell phone from the air. The difference is spectacular. The only change I made from Al's plans was to make it 10" long instead of 6". This was only because I had the material and the space. Tomorrow we fly to Breakfast about 20 mi away. We will get Mary's input. Larry Huntley,Dundee,NY The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: kitfox muffler 014 (2) kitfox muffler 015 (2) kitfox muffler 016 (2) kitfox muffler 017 (2) kitfox muffler 018 (2) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:07 PM PST US From: "Dave G" Subject: Kitfox-List: Flap rivets folllowup. A few weeks back I asked about using an470 instead of the flush rivets. I have finished with all this and wanted to follow up. On the flap I am re-using the original glue had failed, been repaired and failed again (not by me I have no info on why this happened) and on the new rivet there were a few places where the glue had failed, likely due to handling over the years. I riveted the new flap at 4" pitch with AN470D rivets and can report that it looks fine, so if the dimpling was to help the looks then I guess it's a personal issue as it looks quite fine to me without it. My personal standards of appearance may be quite low though as on the exiting flap that had originally been riveted with AN426 type rivets I elected to add a rivet between the exiting ones and I used the AN470 rivets for that job also. So I have one flush and one dimpled rivet alternating down the flap. To, no difference. I can see a line of shop heads on the bottom at 4" pitch and a line of factory heads on the top at 8" pitch. The flap is much more rigid with the new rivet pattern and I expect good service life. I would heartily endorse adding 1/2 an ounce to your aircraft and using 4" pitch on the flaps as my personal feeling is that the original glue bond is not all that strong. Others have fared quite well with the 8" pitch I am sure. Dave Goddard KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:02 PM PST US From: "floran higgins" Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox list I am going to be gone for a week and would like to be taken off of the Kitfox list from 4 May to May 11. I am so dumb on computers I am unable to figure out how to operate your subscribe/ unsubscribe menu. Floran Higgins cliffh@outdrs.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:33 PM PST US From: "Michael Logan" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler Deke, This is what it looks like before you install it; http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/hydroformslipjoinst.php I ordered the SPG-4 gearbox and have the engine off ready to install new pulleys on the other end of the engine. I had to use a different location for my ignition pickups. Mike From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of fox5flyer Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler Mike, do you have any photos you can send of your slip joints? I have about 450 hours so far with no problems, but I suspect that one day I will. Thanks, Deke ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Logan Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:11 AM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) Larry, Nice looking muffler system. Did you allow for expansion differences between the engine and the muffler? I had a similar system (NSI) on my Kitfox and it developed cracks at the pipe/muffler joint. I ended up putting a slip joint right at the muffler and no problems after that. It is a much quieter system with the muffler. Mike Logan Kitfox Series 5 RAM EA-81 From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of larry huntley Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Fw: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) Subject: Emailing: kitfox muffler 014 (2), kitfox muffler 015 (2), kitfox muffler 016 (2), kitfox muffler 017 (2), kitfox muffler 018 (2) I don't know if these will come through,but I told you I would try to let you know about the results of my muffler for the Kitfox 4-1200 EA-81. I had 2 straight stacks on it for 550 hrs. It was awful after the 1st 2 hrs. ;o) I didn't know much about mufflers ,but with a lot of help from the group and particularily from Al Wick,I have an exhaust system that seems to work very well. If you check Al's posts and ideas you will find info for a system that works better than advertized. I made my first flight with it today. I flew over a friends house. He said a little later a C-172 flew over much higher and my plane was much quieter. My wife and I have never been able to converse in the Fox,but today I talked with her on a cell phone from the air. The difference is spectacular. The only change I made from Al's plans was to make it 10" long instead of 6". This was only because I had the material and the space. Tomorrow we fly to Breakfast about 20 mi away. We will get Mary's input. Larry Huntley,Dundee,NY kitfox muffler 014 (2) kitfox muffler 015 (2) kitfox muffler 016 (2) kitfox muffler 017 (2) kitfox muffler 018 (2) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:14 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Larger tail Wheel From: Patrick Reilly Kitfoxers, My model 3 has a Maule tailwheel bracket with the ACS Home Builders small tailwheel. I have the 12" wide Tundra tires on the main gear. 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