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1. 10:24 AM - Flap counterbalance riveting question. (Dave G)
2. 12:51 PM - Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. (Lowell Fitt)
3. 01:35 PM - Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. (paul wilson)
4. 01:50 PM - Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. (Dave G)
5. 05:24 PM - Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. (Lowell Fitt)
6. 05:44 PM - Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. (Dave G)
7. 05:57 PM - Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. (Dave Fisher)
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| Subject: | Flap counterbalance riveting question. |
I have to remount the counterbalance and I do not have the 1/8 X 3/8 AS
rivet required, part number 95006 on the original plans. I have
misplaced the table of part numbers 9500X VS length/material that I made
up some time ago by looking through the plans. Is there another spec of
rivet that would not lead to any future looseness or corrosion issue? I
have most of the rivets just missing that one number. I am tempted to
use a SS rivet.
Dave Goddard
KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. |
Dave,
The rivets supplied in the kit are Stainless. I personally wouldn't be
comfortable with hardware store rivets, but for no really good reason.
If I were replacing rivets in that location, I would order the Cherry Q
stainless rivets of that dimension from Aircraft Spruce.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherrynrivet.php The Q
rivet has the higher tensile strength, which is what you are after.
Lowell
From: Dave G
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
I have to remount the counterbalance and I do not have the 1/8 X 3/8 AS
rivet required, part number 95006 on the original plans. I have
misplaced the table of part numbers 9500X VS length/material that I made
up some time ago by looking through the plans. Is there another spec of
rivet that would not lead to any future looseness or corrosion issue? I
have most of the rivets just missing that one number. I am tempted to
use a SS rivet.
Dave Goddard
KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. |
Dave & Lowell,
Did I miss something? Hard to belive that the factory could not
supply the specific parts via overnight mail? Probably at least as fast as ACS?
Contact info:
Via email: <mailto:info@kitfoxaircraft.com>info@kitfoxaircraft.com
* John McBean
* 208.337.5111 phone
* 208.337.5116 fax
* <mailto:john@kitfoxaircraft.com>john@kitfoxaircraft.com
PW
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At 01:50 PM 6/13/2010, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>The rivets supplied in the kit are Stainless. I personally wouldn't
>be comfortable with hardware store rivets, but for no really good
>reason. If I were replacing rivets in that location, I would order
>the Cherry Q stainless rivets of that dimension from Aircraft
>Spruce.
><http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherrynrivet.php>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherrynrivet.php
>The Q rivet has the higher tensile strength, which is what you are after.
>
>Lowell
>
>From: <mailto:occom@ns.sympatico.ca>Dave G
>Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:19 AM
>To: <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>kitfox-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
>
>I have to remount the counterbalance and I do not have the 1/8 X 3/8
>AS rivet required, part number 95006 on the original plans. I have
>misplaced the table of part numbers 9500X VS length/material that I
>made up some time ago by looking through the plans. Is there another
>spec of rivet that would not lead to any future looseness or
>corrosion issue? I have most of the rivets just missing that one
>number. I am tempted to use a SS rivet.
>
>
>Dave Goddard
>KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. |
Well, yes you are missing something. I am in Canada, and anything I do
not wish to pay an obscene amount of money for is three weeks away. The
spec from my 1992-ish plans is for a 1/8 X 3/8 AS rivet. Aluminum body,
steel mandrel. I have many leftover stainless rivets, much stronger and
I am contemplating using one of those. Aircraft spruce is in Toronto, an
economical and faster choice. I have always enjoyed great support from
Kitfox under the McBeans, but the time and cost to import from exotic
foreign countries is irritating.
----- Original Message -----
From: paul wilson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
Dave & Lowell,
Did I miss something? Hard to belive that the factory could not
supply the specific parts via overnight mail? Probably at least as fast
as ACS?
Contact info:
Via email: info@kitfoxaircraft.com
a.. John McBean
b.. 208.337.5111 phone
c.. 208.337.5116 fax
d.. john@kitfoxaircraft.com
PW
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At 01:50 PM 6/13/2010, you wrote:
Dave,
The rivets supplied in the kit are Stainless. I personally wouldn't
be comfortable with hardware store rivets, but for no really good
reason. If I were replacing rivets in that location, I would order the
Cherry Q stainless rivets of that dimension from Aircraft Spruce.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherrynrivet.php The Q
rivet has the higher tensile strength, which is what you are after.
Lowell
From: Dave G
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:19 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
I have to remount the counterbalance and I do not have the 1/8 X 3/8
AS rivet required, part number 95006 on the original plans. I have
misplaced the table of part numbers 9500X VS length/material that I made
up some time ago by looking through the plans. Is there another spec of
rivet that would not lead to any future looseness or corrosion issue? I
have most of the rivets just missing that one number. I am tempted to
use a SS rivet.
Dave Goddard
KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. |
I think I was wrong with the stainless rivet idea. Thanks for those
that responded. I was thinking that the rivets attached to the spar as
well as the skin. I guess not.
Lowell
From: paul wilson
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
Dave & Lowell,
Did I miss something? Hard to belive that the factory could not supply
the specific parts via overnight mail? Probably at least as fast as ACS?
Contact info:
Via email: info@kitfoxaircraft.com
a.. John McBean
b.. 208.337.5111 phone
c.. 208.337.5116 fax
d.. john@kitfoxaircraft.com
PW
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At 01:50 PM 6/13/2010, you wrote:
Dave,
The rivets supplied in the kit are Stainless. I personally wouldn't
be comfortable with hardware store rivets, but for no really good
reason. If I were replacing rivets in that location, I would order the
Cherry Q stainless rivets of that dimension from Aircraft Spruce.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherrynrivet.php The Q
rivet has the higher tensile strength, which is what you are after.
Lowell
From: Dave G
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:19 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
I have to remount the counterbalance and I do not have the 1/8 X 3/8
AS rivet required, part number 95006 on the original plans. I have
misplaced the table of part numbers 9500X VS length/material that I made
up some time ago by looking through the plans. Is there another spec of
rivet that would not lead to any future looseness or corrosion issue? I
have most of the rivets just missing that one number. I am tempted to
use a SS rivet.
Dave Goddard
KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. |
Hi Lowell, the rivets in question are the ones that extend into the spar
that runs down the flap and serves as the pivot. the biggest danger I
can immediately think of in using something as strong as a Q rivet is
that it may crush the foam rib in that area before it's mandrel breaks.
I have emailed to Kitfox and will wait for advice.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
I think I was wrong with the stainless rivet idea. Thanks for those
that responded. I was thinking that the rivets attached to the spar as
well as the skin. I guess not.
Lowell
From: paul wilson
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:11 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
Dave & Lowell,
Did I miss something? Hard to belive that the factory could not
supply the specific parts via overnight mail? Probably at least as fast
as ACS?
Contact info:
Via email: info@kitfoxaircraft.com
a.. John McBean
b.. 208.337.5111 phone
c.. 208.337.5116 fax
d.. john@kitfoxaircraft.com
PW
===========
At 01:50 PM 6/13/2010, you wrote:
Dave,
The rivets supplied in the kit are Stainless. I personally wouldn't
be comfortable with hardware store rivets, but for no really good
reason. If I were replacing rivets in that location, I would order the
Cherry Q stainless rivets of that dimension from Aircraft Spruce.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherrynrivet.php The Q
rivet has the higher tensile strength, which is what you are after.
Lowell
From: Dave G
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:19 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
I have to remount the counterbalance and I do not have the 1/8 X 3/8
AS rivet required, part number 95006 on the original plans. I have
misplaced the table of part numbers 9500X VS length/material that I made
up some time ago by looking through the plans. Is there another spec of
rivet that would not lead to any future looseness or corrosion issue? I
have most of the rivets just missing that one number. I am tempted to
use a SS rivet.
Dave Goddard
KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Flap counterbalance riveting question. |
Dave ,
Likely a Avex rivet will do you fine. I have lots of them.
Most supply house do as well. I buy them in bulk from Textron in
Toronto.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
Well, yes you are missing something. I am in Canada, and anything I do
not wish to pay an obscene amount of money for is three weeks away. The
spec from my 1992-ish plans is for a 1/8 X 3/8 AS rivet. Aluminum body,
steel mandrel. I have many leftover stainless rivets, much stronger and
I am contemplating using one of those. Aircraft spruce is in Toronto, an
economical and faster choice. I have always enjoyed great support from
Kitfox under the McBeans, but the time and cost to import from exotic
foreign countries is irritating.
----- Original Message -----
From: paul wilson
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
Dave & Lowell,
Did I miss something? Hard to belive that the factory could not
supply the specific parts via overnight mail? Probably at least as fast
as ACS?
Contact info:
Via email: info@kitfoxaircraft.com
a.. John McBean
b.. 208.337.5111 phone
c.. 208.337.5116 fax
d.. john@kitfoxaircraft.com
PW
===========
At 01:50 PM 6/13/2010, you wrote:
Dave,
The rivets supplied in the kit are Stainless. I personally
wouldn't be comfortable with hardware store rivets, but for no really
good reason. If I were replacing rivets in that location, I would order
the Cherry Q stainless rivets of that dimension from Aircraft Spruce.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/cherrynrivet.php The Q
rivet has the higher tensile strength, which is what you are after.
Lowell
From: Dave G
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:19 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Flap counterbalance riveting question.
I have to remount the counterbalance and I do not have the 1/8 X
3/8 AS rivet required, part number 95006 on the original plans. I have
misplaced the table of part numbers 9500X VS length/material that I made
up some time ago by looking through the plans. Is there another spec of
rivet that would not lead to any future looseness or corrosion issue? I
have most of the rivets just missing that one number. I am tempted to
use a SS rivet.
Dave Goddard
KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp
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