---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/13/10: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:17 AM - Re: Barefoot on the Brakes (Weiss Richard) 2. 01:05 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/12/10 (cygan@optusnet.com.au) 3. 03:23 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/12/10 (lane taylor) 4. 04:23 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/12/10 (John W. Hart) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Noel Loveys) 6. 03:24 PM - Re: Barefoot on the Brakes (Patrick Reilly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:00 AM PST US From: Weiss Richard Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Barefoot on the Brakes Chris, I had the same problem. I made some blocks from wood and duct taped them to the bottom of the pedal for testing. They're about 1" square and so far, they keep my size 13's off the top of the pedals. I still have some testing to do to be sure I'm not dragging a brake inadvertently. Once I'm sure they're the right size I plan to remake the blocks out of aluminum and bolt them in place. I know of another Kitfox builder who did the same thing and it did the trick. Rick Weiss N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS SkyStar S/N 1 Port Orange, FL On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:46 PM, carlisle wrote: > > Ever since I saw a friend's picture of him flying a Bell 47 helicopter, shot up through the glass bubble, with his bare toes wrapped around the anti-torque pedals, I've wanted to fly my Kitfox that way. > > Well, I did it today and learned a lesson. No matter how conscious you think you are of keeping your toes off the brakes during landing, they're not. So all that weaving around that I do, especially when landing on pavement (and a couple of ground loops) now makes more sense to me. I think I should adjust the brake pedals (standard Matco on my Model II) so that they are well clear of my toes unless I make a concerted effort 'enpointe' to actuate them. > > Anyone have any magic tricks? > > Chris > Model II, 582 > Sioux Falls, SD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304626#304626 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:43 AM PST US From: cygan@optusnet.com.au Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/12/10 Does anyone have a copy of a blank bill of sale to sell a Kitfox. Thanks -- cygan.cy@gmail.com > Kitfox-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chap > ter 10-07-12&Archive=Kitfox > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapt > er 10-07-12&Archive=Kitfox > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kitfox-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 07/12/10: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Noel Loveys) > 2. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > (ctmcdowell@comcast.net) > 3. 08:47 PM - Barefoot on the Brakes (carlisle) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:43:56 AM PST US > From: "Noel Loveys" > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Some guys want to be able to see the fuel in their lines and the > automotive hoses > don't allow that. Personally I agree with you. > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson > Sent: July 11, 2010 1:55 PM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Alky resistant hose is defined as automotive hose SAE R7 or R9. > Use the stuff and forget about changing hose > for many many years just like the auto people do. > Paul > ====== > > > >I also have a little beef with the word > >resistant No one has been able to give me > >any definition for it in this > >context. Changing the tubes every year sounds like a great idea. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:24:49 AM PST US > From: ctmcdowell@comcast.net > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Paul- If I were flying an automobile, I;d buy those hoses and keep them > for > years.=C2- 2 bucks a foot to change hoses ever year or two is very > cheap > insurance. I haven't yet found a curb to pull up next to on the skyway > if > I=C2-have a problem. I use the old Motorcycle adage, "if you got a cheap > > head-buy a cheap helmet".-Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Noel Loveys" > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:39:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Some guys want to be able to see the fuel in their lines and the > automotive > hoses don't allow that. =C2-Personally I agree with you. > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv > er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson > Sent: July 11, 2010 1:55 PM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Alky resistant hose is defined as automotive hose SAE R7 or R9. > =C2-=C2-Use the stuff and forget about changing hose > for many many years just like the auto people do. > Paul > ======== > > > >I also have a little beef with the word > >=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93resistant=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D No one has been able t > o give me > >any definition for it in this > >context.=C3=82 =C2-Changing the tubes every year sounds like a great > ide > a. > > > > > =========== > =========== > MS - > =========== > e - > =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. > =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:47:28 PM PST US > Subject: Kitfox-List: Barefoot on the Brakes > From: "carlisle" > > > Ever since I saw a friend's picture of him flying a Bell 47 helicopter, > shot up > through the glass bubble, with his bare toes wrapped around the > anti-torque pedals, > I've wanted to fly my Kitfox that way. > > Well, I did it today and learned a lesson. No matter how conscious you > think you > are of keeping your toes off the brakes during landing, they're not. So > all > that weaving around that I do, especially when landing on pavement (and > a couple > of ground loops) now makes more sense to me. I think I should adjust > the > brake pedals (standard Matco on my Model II) so that they are well clear > of my > toes unless I make a concerted effort 'enpointe' to actuate them. > > Anyone have any magic tricks? > > Chris > Model II, 582 > Sioux Falls, SD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304626#304626 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:10 AM PST US From: "lane taylor" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/12/10 Contact your FSDO or FAA. They'll send you one or more for free. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:47 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/12/10 > > Does anyone have a copy of a blank bill of sale to sell a Kitfox. > Thanks -- cygan.cy@gmail.com > > >> Kitfox-List Digest Server wrote: >> >> * >> >> ================================================= >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================= >> >> Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the >> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest >> formatted >> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >> of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >> such as Notepad or with a web browser. >> >> HTML Version: >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chap >> ter 10-07-12&Archive=Kitfox >> >> Text Version: >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapt >> er 10-07-12&Archive=Kitfox >> >> >> =============================================== >> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >> =============================================== >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Kitfox-List Digest Archive >> --- >> Total Messages Posted Mon 07/12/10: 3 >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Today's Message Index: >> ---------------------- >> >> 1. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Noel Loveys) >> 2. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline >> (ctmcdowell@comcast.net) >> 3. 08:47 PM - Barefoot on the Brakes (carlisle) >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 1 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 07:43:56 AM PST US >> From: "Noel Loveys" >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline >> >> >> Some guys want to be able to see the fuel in their lines and the >> automotive hoses >> don't allow that. Personally I agree with you. >> >> Noel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson >> Sent: July 11, 2010 1:55 PM >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline >> >> >> Alky resistant hose is defined as automotive hose SAE R7 or R9. >> Use the stuff and forget about changing hose >> for many many years just like the auto people do. >> Paul >> ====== >> > >> >I also have a little beef with the word >> >resistant No one has been able to give me >> >any definition for it in this >> >context. Changing the tubes every year sounds like a great idea. >> > >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 2 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 10:24:49 AM PST US >> From: ctmcdowell@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline >> >> >> Paul- If I were flying an automobile, I;d buy those hoses and keep them >> for >> years.=C2- 2 bucks a foot to change hoses ever year or two is very >> cheap >> insurance. I haven't yet found a curb to pull up next to on the skyway >> if >> I=C2-have a problem. I use the old Motorcycle adage, "if you got a cheap >> >> head-buy a cheap helmet".-Tom >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Noel Loveys" >> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:39:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline >> >> >> Some guys want to be able to see the fuel in their lines and the >> automotive >> hoses don't allow that. =C2-Personally I agree with you. >> >> Noel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv >> er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson >> Sent: July 11, 2010 1:55 PM >> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline >> >> >> Alky resistant hose is defined as automotive hose SAE R7 or R9. >> =C2-=C2-Use the stuff and forget about changing hose >> for many many years just like the auto people do. >> Paul >> ======= >> > >> >I also have a little beef with the word >> >=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93resistant=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D No one has been able t >> o give me >> >any definition for it in this >> >context.=C3=82 =C2-Changing the tubes every year sounds like a great >> ide >> a. >> > >> >> >> ========== >> ========== >> MS - >> ========== >> e - >> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ========== >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 3 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 08:47:28 PM PST US >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Barefoot on the Brakes >> From: "carlisle" >> >> >> Ever since I saw a friend's picture of him flying a Bell 47 helicopter, >> shot up >> through the glass bubble, with his bare toes wrapped around the >> anti-torque pedals, >> I've wanted to fly my Kitfox that way. >> >> Well, I did it today and learned a lesson. No matter how conscious you >> think you >> are of keeping your toes off the brakes during landing, they're not. So >> all >> that weaving around that I do, especially when landing on pavement (and >> a couple >> of ground loops) now makes more sense to me. I think I should adjust >> the >> brake pedals (standard Matco on my Model II) so that they are well clear >> of my >> toes unless I make a concerted effort 'enpointe' to actuate them. >> >> Anyone have any magic tricks? >> >> Chris >> Model II, 582 >> Sioux Falls, SD >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304626#304626 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:23 AM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/12/10 The form is available online at : http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/form/ac8050-2.pdf Copy in .pdf format attached. Don't know if it will go thru the server or not. John Hart -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cygan@optusnet.com.au Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:48 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/12/10 Does anyone have a copy of a blank bill of sale to sell a Kitfox. Thanks -- cygan.cy@gmail.com > Kitfox-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kitfox-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chap > ter 10-07-12&Archive=Kitfox > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapt > er 10-07-12&Archive=Kitfox > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kitfox-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 07/12/10: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline (Noel Loveys) > 2. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > (ctmcdowell@comcast.net) > 3. 08:47 PM - Barefoot on the Brakes (carlisle) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:43:56 AM PST US > From: "Noel Loveys" > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Some guys want to be able to see the fuel in their lines and the > automotive hoses > don't allow that. Personally I agree with you. > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson > Sent: July 11, 2010 1:55 PM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Alky resistant hose is defined as automotive hose SAE R7 or R9. > Use the stuff and forget about changing hose > for many many years just like the auto people do. > Paul > ====== > > > >I also have a little beef with the word > >resistant No one has been able to give me > >any definition for it in this > >context. Changing the tubes every year sounds like a great idea. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:24:49 AM PST US > From: ctmcdowell@comcast.net > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Paul- If I were flying an automobile, I;d buy those hoses and keep them > for > years.=C2- 2 bucks a foot to change hoses ever year or two is very > cheap > insurance. I haven't yet found a curb to pull up next to on the skyway > if > I=C2-have a problem. I use the old Motorcycle adage, "if you got a cheap > > head-buy a cheap helmet".-Tom > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Noel Loveys" > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:39:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Some guys want to be able to see the fuel in their lines and the > automotive > hoses don't allow that. =C2-Personally I agree with you. > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv > er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson > Sent: July 11, 2010 1:55 PM > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline > > > Alky resistant hose is defined as automotive hose SAE R7 or R9. > =C2-=C2-Use the stuff and forget about changing hose > for many many years just like the auto people do. > Paul > ======== > > > >I also have a little beef with the word > >=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93resistant=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D No one has been able t > o give me > >any definition for it in this > >context.=C3=82 =C2-Changing the tubes every year sounds like a great > ide > a. > > > > > =========== > =========== > MS - > =========== > e - > =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. > =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:47:28 PM PST US > Subject: Kitfox-List: Barefoot on the Brakes > From: "carlisle" > > > Ever since I saw a friend's picture of him flying a Bell 47 helicopter, > shot up > through the glass bubble, with his bare toes wrapped around the > anti-torque pedals, > I've wanted to fly my Kitfox that way. > > Well, I did it today and learned a lesson. No matter how conscious you > think you > are of keeping your toes off the brakes during landing, they're not. So > all > that weaving around that I do, especially when landing on pavement (and > a couple > of ground loops) now makes more sense to me. I think I should adjust > the > brake pedals (standard Matco on my Model II) so that they are well clear > of my > toes unless I make a concerted effort 'enpointe' to actuate them. > > Anyone have any magic tricks? > > Chris > Model II, 582 > Sioux Falls, SD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304626#304626 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:33 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline Just because you don=99t change the hose every year doesn=99t mean they don=99t get inspected every 25 hours or so of flight. Why is it certified planes don=99t use clear tubes? I agree with clear tubing in some cases like the impulse line a clear tube will show you if oil is getting up behind the pump... it will also let you see if there is any perforation in the diaphragm. I have it on my plane but mostly just because it was there and it=99s still not hard. Actually I only have tubing between aluminium tubes and in the engine compartment from the pump to the carbs. Noel From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ctmcdowell@comcast.net Sent: July 12, 2010 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline Paul- If I were flying an automobile, I;d buy those hoses and keep them for years. 2 bucks a foot to change hoses ever year or two is very cheap insurance. I haven't yet found a curb to pull up next to on the skyway if I have a problem. I use the old Motorcycle adage, "if you got a cheap head-buy a cheap helmet".-Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Loveys" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:39:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline Some guys want to be able to see the fuel in their lines and the automotive hoses don't allow that. Personally I agree with you. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of paul wilson Sent: July 11, 2010 1:55 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing ethanol from gasoline Alky resistant hose is defined as automotive hose SAE R7 or R9. Use the stuff and forget about changing hose for many many years just like the auto people do. Paul ======= > >I also have a little beef with the word >=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93resistant=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D No one has been able to give me >any definition for it in this >context.=C3=82 Changing the tubes every year sounds like a great ideabsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - === ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Barefoot on the Brakes From: Patrick Reilly Chris, I took my brake levers off, put a tourch on them and bent them forward at least an inch just above the rod tab. I still have trouble keeping my toes off of them! It would be easier if the rudder pedals were longer. I have a size 10 foot. I think a size 6 would be about right. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 REBUILT Rockford, IL On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM, carlisle wrote: > > Ever since I saw a friend's picture of him flying a Bell 47 helicopter, > shot up through the glass bubble, with his bare toes wrapped around the > anti-torque pedals, I've wanted to fly my Kitfox that way. > > Well, I did it today and learned a lesson. No matter how conscious you > think you are of keeping your toes off the brakes during landing, they're > not. So all that weaving around that I do, especially when landing on > pavement (and a couple of ground loops) now makes more sense to me. I think > I should adjust the brake pedals (standard Matco on my Model II) so that > they are well clear of my toes unless I make a concerted effort 'enpointe' > to actuate them. > > Anyone have any magic tricks? > > Chris > Model II, 582 > Sioux Falls, SD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304626#304626 > > -- Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford,IL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.