---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/05/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:02 AM - Re: Air speed indicator stuck (Catz631@aol.com) 2. 11:59 AM - Re: Air speed indicator stuck (Tom Jones) 3. 12:06 PM - Re: ground loop damage assessment (Tom Jones) 4. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: ground loop damage assessment (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 5. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: Air speed indicator stuck (bob noffs) 6. 03:28 PM - Re: Air speed indicator stuck (Lowell Fitt) 7. 04:13 PM - Key West Voltage Regulator (Tom Jones) 8. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: ground loop damage assessment (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 9. 09:20 PM - Re: Key West Voltage Regulator (Malcolm Brubaker) 10. 09:21 PM - flaperon hardware mod 3 (Malcolm Brubaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:34 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air speed indicator stuck Had a Piper Pacer once and gave it a bath. I stuck a cigarette butt in the pitot tube to keep water out of it and of course forgot about it. Flew it around the pattern with that butt blocking it but no big deal..stupid ...yes. And then there was that Pitts..but I won't go into that. I did have a failure on a P-3 Orion right after take off now that was a challenge as it is a little tough doing "seat of the pants' in that large of an airplane. I am sure that Lynn would have NO problem flying his airplane without an airspeed indicator as he has so much time in it. Just takes familiarity. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton,Fl ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:43 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Air speed indicator stuck From: "Tom Jones" During my tail wheel endorsement training I flew a J3 cub from the back seat. I kept chasing the air speed while doing touch and goes so my instructor put his hand over the ASI just after lift off. He told me to fly by attitude which I should have been doing anyway. He peeked at the ASI a couple times on approach then took his hand away as we crossed the fence so I could see it was right on 60 mph. I have a pretty good feel for speeds in my kitfox now but this was my first no ASI landing solo. I kept the speed up on approach to what felt to me like 70 mph. It probably was cause I floated a long way down the runway. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307672#307672 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:16 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ground loop damage assessment From: "Tom Jones" jlno7(at)aim.com wrote: > I have a Kitfox 1 and recently ground looped into a tree. The right > wing was badly damaged and will need replacing along with the flaperone > hinges and propeller damaged. the fusalage and left wing are good. I > want to know if anyone would have a ballpark guess of how much this > would cost to repair providing I do the wing fabric myself and purchase > the wing and have someone tare the engine apart. If this is too > costly, How much could I get if I sold it as is? (ballpark) > > Jerry Novak > Pulaski WI Jerry, that would be a big ball park. If you have to buy all new parts to build a new wing I would make an educated guess of $3500. if you can find a used wing and/or salvage parts from your damaged wing it could be considerably less. Having the engine torn down and inspected would't be too much if their is no damage. I guess about $300. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307675#307675 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:28 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: ground loop damage assessment Jerry=2C get ahold of Bret Mckinney at Avid/Airdale in Rhinelander=2C Wi. I traded him a set of Kitfox 1 wings a while back=2C he may still have them. His # is 1-715-369-1343 and email is sales@airdale.com take car e=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 (building) Mn > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ground loop damage assessment > From: nahsikhs@elltel.net > Date: Thu=2C 5 Aug 2010 12:05:57 -0700 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > jlno7(at)aim.com wrote: > > I have a Kitfox 1 and recently ground looped into a tree. The right > > wing was badly damaged and will need replacing along with the flaperone > > hinges and propeller damaged. the fusalage and left wing are good. I > > want to know if anyone would have a ballpark guess of how much this > > would cost to repair providing I do the wing fabric myself and purchase > > the wing and have someone tare the engine apart. If this is too > > costly=2C How much could I get if I sold it as is? (ballpark) > > > > Jerry Novak > > Pulaski WI > > > Jerry=2C that would be a big ball park. If you have to buy all new parts to build a new wing I would make an educated guess of $3500. if you can fin d a used wing and/or salvage parts from your damaged wing it could be consi derably less. > > Having the engine torn down and inspected would't be too much if their is no damage. I guess about $300. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax=2C 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg=2C WA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307675#307675 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Air speed indicator stuck From: bob noffs funny this came up. i haven't been pic in 25 yrs and never flown a taildragger, let alone even sat in a tandem seating. yesterday i started taking some ''lessons'' in a champ to pass my bfr as i hope my project [a taildragger] will fly this fall. instructor said it would want to fly at 40-45mph. at a constant 20mph the tail was up and it felt like it was ''time to go'' even though i had never felt that in a taildragger before i guess it feels the same in anything. climbing out felt solid and then the instructor finally said over the headphones ''i guess the airspeed isn't working, i washed the plane today.'' it all worked out fine. after 10 minutes the airstream must have dried out the water because we had airspeed again. thinking back i had never even taken off in a taildragger let alone tried to land one after doing a run fast enough to bring the tail up and i thought it much better to continue and get in the air. i would guess the instructor was so intent on taking the controls should i lose it he didn't notice the airspeed was inop. and everything felt good to him in the back seat. i did a dozen landings with no help and no bounces. i felt pretty good about that 10 more hours in his champ and i will be ready to fly mine! bob noffs his champ was restored 4 yrs. ago and was as beautiful as new. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Tom Jones wrote: > > During my tail wheel endorsement training I flew a J3 cub from the back > seat. I kept chasing the air speed while doing touch and goes so my > instructor put his hand over the ASI just after lift off. He told me to fly > by attitude which I should have been doing anyway. He peeked at the ASI a > couple times on approach then took his hand away as we crossed the fence so > I could see it was right on 60 mph. > > I have a pretty good feel for speeds in my kitfox now but this was my first > no ASI landing solo. I kept the speed up on approach to what felt to me > like 70 mph. It probably was cause I floated a long way down the runway. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg, WA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307672#307672 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:57 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air speed indicator stuck Dick, Did you do any hurricane chasing in the orion. The reason I ask is a good friend who built a Series V while fighting colon cancer flew them in the Navy - at least that is what I think he flew. We lost him in hospice but he was able to fly for a couple of years - Leo Rice. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: Catz631@aol.com To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Air speed indicator stuck Had a Piper Pacer once and gave it a bath. I stuck a cigarette butt in the pitot tube to keep water out of it and of course forgot about it. Flew it around the pattern with that butt blocking it but no big deal..stupid ...yes. And then there was that Pitts..but I won't go into that. I did have a failure on a P-3 Orion right after take off now that was a challenge as it is a little tough doing "seat of the pants' in that large of an airplane. I am sure that Lynn would have NO problem flying his airplane without an airspeed indicator as he has so much time in it. Just takes familiarity. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton,Fl ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:02 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Key West Voltage Regulator From: "Tom Jones" This is on a 503 rotax. My Tympanium voltage regulator went bad so I replaced it with a Key West regulator. I had the 12VDC output wire from the old tympanium regulator connected to the starter side of the master contactor so This is where I connected the Key West 12V DC output wire. My Hobbs meter is also connected to the same terminal on the starter side of the master contactor. I noticed my Hobbs kept running when the master is off. I disconnected all the wires on the Key west and checked for voltage. There is 4.3 volts DC between the key west ground terminal and 12V DC output terminal. Is it normal to have some residual voltage in the Key west? I guess I need to move the output wire from the key west regulator to the battery + terminal so that 4.3 volts doesn't touch the hobbs wire?? Am I on the right track? -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307710#307710 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:58 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: ground loop damage assessment Jerry=2C After I sent this message=2C I remembered about another set of Ki tfox 1 wings I heard about out in Idaho. It will take me a bit of digging to get then number in Idaho=2C so let me kinow if things don't work out wit h Bret's wings and I will track down the Idaho #. Take care=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 (building) Mn From: thesupe@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: ground loop damage assessment Jerry=2C get ahold of Bret Mckinney at Avid/Airdale in Rhinelander=2C Wi. I traded him a set of Kitfox 1 wings a while back=2C he may still have them. His # is 1-715-369-1343 and email is sales@airdale.com take car e=2C Jim Chuk Avids=2C Kitfox 4 (building) Mn > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ground loop damage assessment > From: nahsikhs@elltel.net > Date: Thu=2C 5 Aug 2010 12:05:57 -0700 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > > > > jlno7(at)aim.com wrote: > > I have a Kitfox 1 and recently ground looped into a tree. The right > > wing was badly damaged and will need replacing along with the flaperone > > hinges and propeller damaged. the fusalage and left wing are good. I > > want to know if anyone would have a ballpark guess of how much this > > would cost to repair providing I do the wing fabric myself and purchase > > the wing and have someone tare the engine apart. If this is too > > costly=2C How much could I get if I sold it as is? (ballpark) > > > > Jerry Novak > > Pulaski WI > > > Jerry=2C that would be a big ball park. If you have to buy all new parts to build a new wing I would make an educated guess of $3500. if you can fin d a used wing and/or salvage parts from your damaged wing it could be consi derably less. > > Having the engine torn down and inspected would't be too much if their is no damage. I guess about $300. > > -------- > Tom Jones > Classic IV > 503 Rotax=2C 72 inch Two blade Warp > Ellensburg=2C WA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307675#307675 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:49 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Key West Voltage Regulator mine did samething simular but the hobs just ran down to stop maybe 8 secon ds- =0Ait seems yours sounds like it is dooing something different=0A-M alcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989) 513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tom Jones =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, August 5 , 2010 7:12:20 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Key West Voltage Regulator=0A=0A- is is on a 503 rotax.=0AMy Tympanium voltage regulator went bad so I replac ed it with a Key West =0Aregulator.- I had the 12VDC output wire from the old tympanium regulator =0Aconnected to the starter side of the master con tactor so This is where I =0Aconnected the Key West 12V DC output wire.- My Hobbs meter is also connected to =0Athe same terminal on the starter sid e of the master contactor.=0A=0AI noticed my Hobbs kept running when the ma ster is off.- I disconnected all the =0Awires on the Key west and checked for voltage.- There is 4.3 volts DC between =0Athe key west ground termi nal and 12V DC output terminal.- Is it normal to have =0Asome residual vo ltage in the Key west?=0A=0AI guess I need to move the output wire from the key west regulator to the =0Abattery + terminal so that 4.3 volts doesn't touch the hobbs wire??- Am I on the =0Aright track?=0A=0A--------=0ATom J ones=0AClassic IV=0A503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp=0AEllensburg, WA=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List ========0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:56 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Kitfox-List: flaperon hardware mod 3 I need some flaperon hardware for a mod 3for a frind .Can a person ship the =0Aalunimun for that cut to width and rooled up in a 24 in box?=0A-Malco lm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513- 3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jim_and_Lucy C huk =0ATo: kitfox list =0AS ent: Thu, August 5, 2010 7:36:21 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: ground loop damage assessment=0A=0AJerry,- After I sent this message, I remember ed about another set of Kitfox 1 =0Awings I heard about out in Idaho.- It will take me a bit of digging to get then =0Anumber in Idaho, so let me ki now if things don't work out with-Bret's wings and =0AI will track down t he Idaho #.- Take care,- Jim Chuk- Avids, Kitfox =0A4-(building)- -Mn=0A-=0A________________________________=0AFrom: thesupe@hotmail.com =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: ground loo p damage assessment=0ADate: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:25:49 +0000=0A=0AJerry,- g et ahold of Bret Mckinney at Avid/Airdale in Rhinelander, Wi.--- =0AI -traded him a set of Kitfox 1 wings a while back,--he may still have them.- His =0A# is 1-715-369-1343- and email is- -sales@airdale.com -- take care,- Jim Chuk- =0AAvids,- Kitfox 4-(building)- Mn =0A-=0A> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: ground loop damage assessment=0A> From : nahsikhs@elltel.net=0A> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:05:57 -0700=0A> To: kitf s" =0A> =0A> =0A> jlno7(at)aim.com wrote:=0A> > I have a Kitfox 1 and recently ground looped into a tree. The right =0A> > wing w as badly damaged and will need replacing along with the flaperone =0A> > hi nges and propeller damaged. the fusalage and left wing are good. I =0A> > w ant to know if anyone would have a ballpark guess of how much this =0A> > w ould cost to repair providing I do the wing fabric myself and purchase =0A> > the wing and have someone tare the engine apart. If this is too =0A> > c ostly, How much could I get if I sold it as is? (ballpark)=0A> > =0A> > Jer ry Novak=0A> > Pulaski WI=0A> =0A> =0A> Jerry, that would be a big ball par k. If you have to buy all new parts to build =0A>a new wing I would make an educated guess of $3500. if you can find a used wing =0A>and/or salvage pa rts from your damaged wing it could be considerably less.=0A> =0A> Having t he engine torn down and inspected would't be too much if their is no =0A>da mage. 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