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1. 06:42 AM - Re: engine quit due to ethanol (Rich L)
2. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: engine quit due to ethanol (bjones@dmv.com)
3. 02:26 PM - was: engine quit due to .. How far away is unleaded fuel? (Dave G)
4. 03:04 PM - Re: engine quit due to ethanol (Noel Loveys)
5. 03:04 PM - Re: was: engine quit due to .. How far away is unleaded fuel? (Av8r3400)
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| Subject: | Re: engine quit due to ethanol |
This site, or others like it, might help.
www.pure-gas.org
Rich
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Rich Little
N812RL S-7 912ULS
North Idaho
Kiev Prop
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| Subject: | Re: engine quit due to ethanol |
Rich,
Thanks.
I use pure-gas.org routinely when traveling to find gas stations with
ethanol free gas.
I have towed my Kifox IV all over the US inside an enclosed car trailer
behind a one ton Chevy conversion van (Roadtrek). Its been a hoot flying
around all of the major national parks and places of interest conjoined
with seeing the sites across the USA from the Roadtrek-Chevrolet.
By keeping about 30 gallons of ethanol free gas in the trailer, and using
pure-gas.com to find refills along the way I have not had wash gas or
revert to use of 100 LL yet. ( about 450 hours on the Rotax 912, 80 hp)
By the way, my favorite places to fly are Lake Powell, Moab, Canyon Lands,
Bar Harbor, Florida Keys to Dry Tortugas, and Big Sur coast line.
The devastation along the Gulf coast and New Orleans area after hurricane
Katrina may have been the most eye opening.
BJ
N154K
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> This site, or others like it, might help.
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> www.pure-gas.org
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> Rich
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> Rich Little
> N812RL S-7 912ULS
> North Idaho
> Kiev Prop
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| Subject: | was: engine quit due to .. How far away is unleaded fuel? |
I've been chasing after this infor for a while and just in case I am missing
some part of the story is unleaded, stable fuel still a dream. It seems like
in a very small market they are held up for a very small segment. The high
performance piston engine crowd which as I understand it can barely tolerate
100LL are the major stumbling block. Most of us could get by with alchohol
free unleaded aviation fuel with octane ratings in the low-mid 90's. Lets
get it in the pumps and stop having to monkey around with making our own
fuels.
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| Subject: | engine quit due to ethanol |
If you get enough, it qualifies not being able to fill the tanks, not being
able to empty the tanks and not going much of anywhere.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bjones@dmv.com
Sent: October 29, 2010 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine quit due to ethanol
Kelp in the tank
does that qualify as going green
BJ
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From: Noel Loveys
Sender: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: engine quit due to ethanol
Sent: Oct 29, 2010 6:29 AM
I've done several inspections of the tanks of many types of aircraft. In
gas powered aircraft the worst I've found is a few hairs from the felt used
to filter the fuel as it is put into the plane. ( all 100LL ) If you want
to see a good crop of kelp have a look into the tank of an older turbine
powered aircraft. It will amaze you what can grow in darkness in a kerosene
environment which spends a lot of time extremely cold.
Noel
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bjones@dmv.com
Sent: October 27, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine quit due to ethanol
Keep in mind that if you get water in a tank with ethanol blended gas, it
will not show up during sumping. The water is absorbed into the ethanol if
and until a certain concentration occurs then the ethanol and water will
settleout to the bottom together, in a large bolus, that is about one
gallon of settleout in a ten gallon tank of gas.
You can't sump the water out to prevent phase seperation.
BJ
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: was: engine quit due to .. How far away is unleaded fuel? |
Per the article I read in (I think) AOPA 100LL without the lead would be 94UL.
Unfortunately over 75% of the aircraft fleet (us) only uses less than 25% of the
100LL produced. The majority of the 100LL used is in high performance singles
and twins. These users cannot tolerate 94UL without major modifications to
their engines along with significant, unacceptable, decreases in performance.
Again, here is where the FAA is blocking any significant research by Gami and others
by not granting STCs to conduct larger scale tests of other potential fuels.
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Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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