---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/30/10: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:42 AM - Re: engine quit due to ethanol (Rich L) 2. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: engine quit due to ethanol (bjones@dmv.com) 3. 02:26 PM - was: engine quit due to .. How far away is unleaded fuel? (Dave G) 4. 03:04 PM - Re: engine quit due to ethanol (Noel Loveys) 5. 03:04 PM - Re: was: engine quit due to .. How far away is unleaded fuel? (Av8r3400) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:23 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: engine quit due to ethanol From: "Rich L" This site, or others like it, might help. www.pure-gas.org Rich -------- Rich Little N812RL S-7 912ULS North Idaho Kiev Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317479#317479 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: engine quit due to ethanol From: bjones@dmv.com Rich, Thanks. I use pure-gas.org routinely when traveling to find gas stations with ethanol free gas. I have towed my Kifox IV all over the US inside an enclosed car trailer behind a one ton Chevy conversion van (Roadtrek). Its been a hoot flying around all of the major national parks and places of interest conjoined with seeing the sites across the USA from the Roadtrek-Chevrolet. By keeping about 30 gallons of ethanol free gas in the trailer, and using pure-gas.com to find refills along the way I have not had wash gas or revert to use of 100 LL yet. ( about 450 hours on the Rotax 912, 80 hp) By the way, my favorite places to fly are Lake Powell, Moab, Canyon Lands, Bar Harbor, Florida Keys to Dry Tortugas, and Big Sur coast line. The devastation along the Gulf coast and New Orleans area after hurricane Katrina may have been the most eye opening. BJ N154K > > This site, or others like it, might help. > > www.pure-gas.org > > Rich > > -------- > Rich Little > N812RL S-7 912ULS > North Idaho > Kiev Prop > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317479#317479 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:07 PM PST US From: "Dave G" Subject: Kitfox-List: was: engine quit due to .. How far away is unleaded fuel? I've been chasing after this infor for a while and just in case I am missing some part of the story is unleaded, stable fuel still a dream. It seems like in a very small market they are held up for a very small segment. The high performance piston engine crowd which as I understand it can barely tolerate 100LL are the major stumbling block. Most of us could get by with alchohol free unleaded aviation fuel with octane ratings in the low-mid 90's. Lets get it in the pumps and stop having to monkey around with making our own fuels. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:06 PM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: engine quit due to ethanol If you get enough, it qualifies not being able to fill the tanks, not being able to empty the tanks and not going much of anywhere. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bjones@dmv.com Sent: October 29, 2010 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine quit due to ethanol Kelp in the tank does that qualify as going green BJ ------Original Message------ From: Noel Loveys Sender: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: engine quit due to ethanol Sent: Oct 29, 2010 6:29 AM I've done several inspections of the tanks of many types of aircraft. In gas powered aircraft the worst I've found is a few hairs from the felt used to filter the fuel as it is put into the plane. ( all 100LL ) If you want to see a good crop of kelp have a look into the tank of an older turbine powered aircraft. It will amaze you what can grow in darkness in a kerosene environment which spends a lot of time extremely cold. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bjones@dmv.com Sent: October 27, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: engine quit due to ethanol Keep in mind that if you get water in a tank with ethanol blended gas, it will not show up during sumping. The water is absorbed into the ethanol if and until a certain concentration occurs then the ethanol and water will settleout to the bottom together, in a large bolus, that is about one gallon of settleout in a ten gallon tank of gas. You can't sump the water out to prevent phase seperation. BJ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:06 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: was: engine quit due to .. How far away is unleaded fuel? From: "Av8r3400" Per the article I read in (I think) AOPA 100LL without the lead would be 94UL. Unfortunately over 75% of the aircraft fleet (us) only uses less than 25% of the 100LL produced. The majority of the 100LL used is in high performance singles and twins. These users cannot tolerate 94UL without major modifications to their engines along with significant, unacceptable, decreases in performance. Again, here is where the FAA is blocking any significant research by Gami and others by not granting STCs to conduct larger scale tests of other potential fuels. -------- Thanks, Av8r3400 Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317522#317522 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.