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1. 05:05 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/31/10 (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 08:39 AM - Re: Kitfox crash Glendale, AZ (Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky)
3. 09:40 AM - Re: Roll control (bjones@dmv.com)
4. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: elevator gap seals (Patrick Reilly)
5. 11:38 AM - Wing tank fuel filters (DanM)
6. 12:11 PM - gap seal (lkc@juno.com)
7. 12:19 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Av8r3400)
8. 12:21 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (jerry evans)
9. 01:12 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Lynn Matteson)
10. 01:36 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Guy Buchanan)
11. 04:18 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (DanM)
12. 05:51 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Lowell Fitt)
13. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
14. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: elevator gap seals (John)
15. 11:05 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
16. 11:08 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/31/10 |
No James I haven't. It has held up very well but I sure would like to have
some more. If I ever find it I will let you know
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
In a message dated 1/1/2011 2:05:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
kitfox-list@matronics.com writes:
Dick, did you ever run into that guy again? I have done several searches
online
for a materiel that looks like that to no avail.
Has anyone else figured out what this stuff is?
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| Subject: | Kitfox crash Glendale, AZ |
Guys,
Great to hear that the pilot was not to seriously injured. I will be very
interested in hearing what the cause of the incident was if they are ever
able to determine it. I have heard of a somewhat similar incident in which
the pilot of a Kitffox was not able to roll ailerons to one side after
takeoff (He said he had full control movement before takeoff) and decided to
make an off field landing. He said they were unable to determine what caused
the restricted controls condition during the post incident investigation.
Lloyd C
Northern Mi
Model 5 Outback
912ul IVO IFA
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox crash Glendale, AZ
--> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Looks like the pilot is ok.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2010/12/23/20101223glen
dale-plane-crash-abrk.html
Pete
Kitfox III, 912
Leander, TX
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| Subject: | RE: Roll control |
This is a bit basic but since it startled me in during an unusually gust
departure, I thought I'd mention it.
The flaperons (early model IV) are dramatically less effective in roll
control when in full flap mode. Most folks learn this early on and then I
bet primarily use flaps just for minor trim adjustments
I almost never use my flap lever except for minor in flight trim
adjustments. I'm the only person who flies my plane And the plane is
almost always hangered when not flying. So I (WRONGLY) expect the flaps to
be set where I leave them.
However the plane was out one night when a front with strong winds came
thru. The winds pushed the flaps into the full down position which I am
embarassed to say I did not notice.
The next morning when I went for a flight in very gusty post frontal
passage conditions the plane required so much stick input, as I broke
ground that I thought something was badly wrong. For an instant I was
about to abort the take-off before the brain kicked in and I reached down
to adjust the flap handle.
Nothing was broken except my preflight technique. The friction on the flap
handle is tighter now to help prevent movement when tied down and I'm a
bit more attentive during prefilght.
BJ
Kitfox IV N154K
PA 39 N626NR
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky"
> <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> Guys,
> Great to hear that the pilot was not to seriously injured. I will be very
> interested in hearing what the cause of the incident was if they are ever
> able to determine it. I have heard of a somewhat similar incident in which
> the pilot of a Kitffox was not able to roll ailerons to one side after
> takeoff (He said he had full control movement before takeoff) and decided
> to
> make an off field landing. He said they were unable to determine what
> caused
> the restricted controls condition during the post incident investigation.
>
> Lloyd C
> Northern Mi
> Model 5 Outback
> 912ul IVO IFA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
> Christensen
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:04 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox crash Glendale, AZ
>
> --> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>
> Looks like the pilot is ok.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2010/12/23/20101223glen
> dale-plane-crash-abrk.html
>
> Pete
> Kitfox III, 912
> Leander, TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: elevator gap seals |
If you are talking about gap seal material that is plastic, heavy duty
and clear you can buy it from Tognar . Tognar is a downhill ski tool and
supply company. The material is sold as snowboard top protective plastic
and comes in 14" widths, if I remember correctly. It works super as an
elevator gap seal and is inexpensive.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:42 PM, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>wrote:
> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> Dick, did you ever run into that guy again? I have done several searches
> online for a materiel that looks like that to no avail.
>
> Has anyone else figured out what this stuff is?
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325162#325162
>
>
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Wing tank fuel filters |
I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting rid of the original
factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea to have fuel filters from
the wing tanks to just before the header tank and one filter just before the
carb inlet. Opinions and thoughts on this appreciated.
Thanks
--------
Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox IV
Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
Sensenich 62x46
N443DM
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Dick~ I'm with James... I'd also love to get ahold of some of that gap
seal you have. After looking at your photos I started drooling with en
vy. In fact I might even try to put it between the trailing edge of my
wing and the flapperon ;-) Well, maybe that's a stretch but Please p
ost info when it comes available so we can get our hands on it.Layne An
ch, Ak S5 Sooby Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank fuel filters |
(Same as I posted on the other board)
My opinion and its only one man's opinion:
I do not like the idea of a filter between the wing and header tanks. The only
flow there is via gravity. A small amount of water contamination could block the
flow through these filters. Personally, I only like a filter where a pump provides
positive flow through it.
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Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank fuel filters |
On my model 2 -I put glass filter-from wing tank-before the header ta
nk, I like to see the flow of fuel . Before I didn't know when coming in fo
r landing or any descents the fuel stops coming out of the wing . also I ca
n see how much fuel I'm burning by the rate that is flowing in the glass fi
lter. I have had it there for over 75 hour with no problems. I put one ther
e at head level and one just out of the header tank. I did take out the fil
ter in the tank when I sealed with KBS tank sealer -
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
--- On Sat, 1/1/11, DanM <danm@powerdesignelectric.com> wrote:
From: DanM <danm@powerdesignelectric.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing tank fuel filters
I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting rid of t
he original factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea to have fuel filt
ers from the wing tanks to just before the header tank and one filter just
before the carb inlet. Opinions and thoughts on this appreciated.
Thanks
--------
Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox IV
Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
Sensenich 62x46
N443DM
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325207#325207
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank fuel filters |
Dan-
That is exactly what I have on my plane right now, and ever since I
first built it....Purolator see-through glass filters between both
tanks (3/8" lines) and header tank, and another one before the fuel
flow meter/TBI inlet. In fact, I have added front ports to my wing
tanks, and I also use the same filters in those down-lines. So a
total of 5 filters in the system...maybe overkill, but nothing gets
into the TBI but fuel....oops, I forgot that the TBI also has what
they call a "last chance filter" which is inside the body of the
TBI...call it 6 filters. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Sensenich 62"x 55.5 Wood (winter) until the Prince prop arrives
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying...1075+ hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:34 PM, DanM wrote:
> <danm@powerdesignelectric.com>
>
> I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting
> rid of the original factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea
> to have fuel filters from the wing tanks to just before the header
> tank and one filter just before the carb inlet. Opinions and
> thoughts on this appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Dan Mc Intyre
> Kitfox IV
> Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
> Sensenich 62x46
> N443DM
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325207#325207
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank fuel filters |
On 1/1/2011 11:34 AM, DanM wrote:
> I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting rid of the
original factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea to have fuel filters from
the wing tanks to just before the header tank and one filter just before the
carb inlet. Opinions and thoughts on this appreciated.
>
Personally I run big 3/8" lines with no filters down to the header tank.
(I do have the finger strainers in the tank, though.) I then have one
big race-car filter just outside the header tank on the way to the fuel
pump. The idea is to get all the crud down to the header tank so I can
sump it. If I'm getting floaties then I'll see them when I sump the
header, and the filter will stop them. (It's a huge filter, probably
12si of area so it should take a long time to clog.) I've personally
experienced too many flow-limitation problems with the small glass
filters typically seen between the tank and the header.
Guy Buchanan
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs and not counting.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank fuel filters |
I currently have a clear filter on each down line and one just before the carb.
I have been experiencing unequal flow especially from the left tank it seems
to draw down much faster than the right take. I think it may have something to
do with filters the filters I'm using.
I'm changing the tank hose to header to 3/8 I.D, I have 5/16 aluminum tube to the
firewall. Then I will install either 5/16 or 1/4 I.D line from the firewall
to the carb. The carb inlet is 1/4" I think.
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Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox IV
Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
Sensenich 62x46
N443DM
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank fuel filters |
Dan,
I see that there are lots of opinions on this one. I have one as well. I
used the auto fuel lines from the wing tanks to the header tanks, and like a
couple of guys I liked to see the fuel running to the header tank so used
the glass filters just above the seat back. I am about to run the fuel
lines on my new project and will do the same. On one trip down the Sierras
to home, I was in a fairly steep descent for a bit over half an hour and
wanted to see the fuel as the rearward ports on the wing tank started
sucking air. It did and I was able to see it and liked to be able to see
it.
Lowell
--------------------------------------------------
From: "DanM" <danm@powerdesignelectric.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing tank fuel filters
>
> I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting rid of
> the original factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea to have fuel
> filters from the wing tanks to just before the header tank and one filter
> just before the carb inlet. Opinions and thoughts on this appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Dan Mc Intyre
> Kitfox IV
> Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
> Sensenich 62x46
> N443DM
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325207#325207
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank fuel filters |
To each his own=2C but I will never have the filters between the wing tank
s and header tank. My only off field landing to date has been because of a
plugged filter between the wing tank and header. That was after about 300
hrs of flying 9 different 2 stroke engined ultralights. My thinking is l
et the header tank catch whatever gets past the finger strainers=2C it is a
ctually a large gascolator and so that's what it's made to do. It doesn't
take much to slow up the flow in a gravity feed situation and that is what
you have between the wings and header tank. I now have a filter after the
header tank and have not had similar problems in the last 300+ hrs. Take
care=2C
Jim Chuk
Avid MK IV (flying)
Kitfox 4 (building)
northern Mn
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing tank fuel filters
> From: danm@powerdesignelectric.com
> Date: Sat=2C 1 Jan 2011 16:16:09 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I currently have a clear filter on each down line and one just before the
carb. I have been experiencing unequal flow especially from the left tank
it seems to draw down much faster than the right take. I think it may have
something to do with filters the filters I'm using.
>
> I'm changing the tank hose to header to 3/8 I.D=2C I have 5/16 aluminum t
ube to the firewall. Then I will install either 5/16 or 1/4 I.D line from t
he firewall to the carb. The carb inlet is 1/4" I think.
>
> --------
> Dan Mc Intyre
> Kitfox IV
> Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 =2C 59.7 hours
> Sensenich 62x46
> N443DM
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325235#325235
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: elevator gap seals |
I have have had great success with inexpensive adhesive backed clear shelf l
iner from home improvement stores. Check archives for details attaching s-fo
ld, overlapped application. Mine has been on for 700 hours and 10 years.
John
On Jan 1, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you are talking about gap seal material that is plastic, heavy duty and
clear you can buy it from Tognar . Tognar is a downhill ski tool and supply
company. The material is sold as snowboard top protective plastic and comes
in 14" widths, if I remember correctly. It works super as an elevator gap s
eal and is inexpensive.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 Rebuilt
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:42 PM, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
wrote:
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>
> Dick, did you ever run into that guy again? I have done several searches o
nline for a materiel that looks like that to no avail.
>
> Has anyone else figured out what this stuff is?
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325162#325162
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post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kitfox-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kitfox-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kitfox-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kitfox-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kitfox-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kitfox-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kitfox-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kitfox-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kitfox-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kitfox
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
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- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
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contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
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other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
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will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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