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1. 03:42 AM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Fox5flyer)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: gap seal (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Lynn Matteson)
4. 08:36 AM - Re: gap seal (Steven Didier)
5. 08:36 AM - Tailwheel Dolly (Dave G)
6. 09:53 AM - Re: gap seal (Patrick Reilly)
7. 01:46 PM - Re: gap seal (Steven Didier)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/01/11 (John Wigney)
9. 03:36 PM - Re: Tailwheel Dolly (Tom Jones)
10. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel Dolly (Noel R.C. Loveys)
11. 08:59 PM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/01/11 (Ed Gray)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank fuel filters |
Fortunately for the experimental movement, there is no "right way or wrong way"
to do anything and the best thing about it is that it has brought the visionaries
out of the woodwork and given them the authority and opportunity to put their
ideas into operation. Some ways are better than others and hopefully all
of these different methods will lead most of us into making a choice that is
efficient, prudent, and safe.
Like, Jim, I do not use the wing tank filters for the same reasons. And like Guy,
I use 3/8" fuel lines throughout. The header tank is a huge gascolator that
does the job nicely. At the end of the line I have a large racing fuel filter
(last chance). My philosophy is keep the fuel flowing with as few restrictions
as possible. I minimized the use of any unnecessary fittings where I could
and when I did use them I ensured they were good ones. I always tried to
make gentle flowing bends in the piping wherever possible. Keep in mind that
every fitting creates a flow restriction as well as a potential leak point.
I also use a good quality full flow 3/8" shutoff on the console. No fuel related
problems in close to 500 hours.
Deke Morisse
S5 Subaru
NE Michigan
[quote="thesupe(at)hotmail.com"]To each his own, but I will never have the filtersbetween
thewing tanks and header tank. My only off field landing to date has
been because of a plugged filter betweenthe wing tank and header. That was after
about 300 hrs of flying9 different 2 stroke engined ultralights. My thinking
is let the header tank catch whatever gets past the finger strainers,it is
actually a large gascolator and so that's what it's made to do. It doesn't take
much to slow up the flow in a gravity feed situation and that is what you have
between the wings and header tank. I now have a filter after the header tank
and have not had similar problems in the last 300+ hrs. Take care,
Jim Chuk
Avid MK IV (flying)
Kitfox 4 (building)
northern Mn
> Subject: Re: Wing tank fuel filters
[quote] From: danm@powerdesignelectric.com
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:16:09 -0800
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
I currently have a clear filter on each down line and one just before the carb.
I have been experiencing unequal flow especially from the left tank it seems
to draw down much faster than the right take. I think it may have something to
do with filters the filters I'm using.
I'm changing the tank hose to header to 3/8 I.D, I have 5/16 aluminum tube to
the firewall. Then I will install either 5/16 or 1/4 I.D line from the firewall
to the carb. The carb inlet is 1/4" I think.
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Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox IV
Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
Sensenich 62x46
N443DM
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I don't think I will ever find it again. I bought it from a vendor at a
flea market in NC. It was figure 8 shaped rubber and I didn't know what to do
with it so only bought about a 5 ft piece (for $1.00) I came up with the
idea later when I was back in Florida to cut the ends off and make gap seals.
The stuff just slips in perfectly and has been there for over a year now.
No glue,no hassle. I must have over $100 worth of various gap seal tapes
and they all suck (peel,discolor,etc) but this stuff is GREAT !
Last time I was at the flea market I asked the "rubber guy" where he got
it and he couldn't remember...Rats !!!
Dick
Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Wing tank fuel filters |
Yes, the Bing inlet is 1/4".
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Sensenich 62"x 55.5 Wood (winter) until the Prince prop arrives
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying...1075+ hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Jan 1, 2011, at 7:16 PM, DanM wrote:
> <danm@powerdesignelectric.com>
>
> I currently have a clear filter on each down line and one just
> before the carb. I have been experiencing unequal flow especially
> from the left tank it seems to draw down much faster than the right
> take. I think it may have something to do with filters the filters
> I'm using.
>
> I'm changing the tank hose to header to 3/8 I.D, I have 5/16
> aluminum tube to the firewall. Then I will install either 5/16 or
> 1/4 I.D line from the firewall to the carb. The carb inlet is 1/4"
> I think.
>
> --------
> Dan Mc Intyre
> Kitfox IV
> Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
> Sensenich 62x46
> N443DM
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JC Whitney has, I believe, a replacement vehicle weather strip that
looks like your gap seal.
Steve Didier
C172
Fox wannabe
On Jan 2, 2011, at 5:45 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
> I don't think I will ever find it again. I bought it from a vendor at
a flea market in NC. It was figure 8 shaped rubber and I didn't know
what to do with it so only bought about a 5 ft piece (for $1.00) I came
up with the idea later when I was back in Florida to cut the ends off
and make gap seals. The stuff just slips in perfectly and has been there
for over a year now. No glue,no hassle. I must have over $100 worth of
various gap seal tapes and they all suck (peel,discolor,etc) but this
stuff is GREAT !
> Last time I was at the flea market I asked the "rubber guy" where he
got it and he couldn't remember...Rats !!!
>
> Dick
Maddux
> Fox
4
>
Milton,Fl
> <gap seal 1.jpg><gap seal 2.jpg>
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My ability to pull/push the Kitfox over the gravel floor has diminished
somewhat lately. I was thinking of a Dolly arrangement that may help.
Surely some of you have devised or purchased something to help with this
task. Ideas would be appreciated.
(New knees on order!)
Dave Goddard
KF IV 1050 / 582 / Warp
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Steve, I have tried to get J.C. Whitney to send a catalog to me. They say
they will but never do. They want you to use the wesite catalog. They used
to send catalogs about once a quarter. Do you get a printed catalog or use
the website? In years past, I ordered many $ worth of items from J.C.
Whitney.
do not archive
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Steven Didier <steve.didier@gmail.com>wrote:
> JC Whitney has, I believe, a replacement vehicle weather strip that looks
> like your gap seal.
> Steve Didier
> C172
> Fox wannabe
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 5:45 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
> I don't think I will ever find it again. I bought it from a vendor at a
> flea market in NC. It was figure 8 shaped rubber and I didn't know what to
> do with it so only bought about a 5 ft piece (for $1.00) I came up with the
> idea later when I was back in Florida to cut the ends off and make gap
> seals. The stuff just slips in perfectly and has been there for over a year
> now. No glue,no hassle. I must have over $100 worth of various gap seal
> tapes and they all suck (peel,discolor,etc) but this stuff is GREAT !
> Last time I was at the flea market I asked the "rubber guy" where he got
> it and he couldn't remember...Rats !!!
>
> Dick
> Maddux
> Fox 4
> Milton,Fl
> <gap seal 1.jpg><gap seal 2.jpg>
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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I get/use both. The web site is little more complete I think. You can
order the print catalog/s from their website. That is what I did after a
hiatus of several years, now I get the print ones several times a year!.
If you like I can check and if I find the weather strip in one of my
catalogs I'd be happy to send it to you.
Steve
On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Steve, I have tried to get J.C. Whitney to send a catalog to me. They
say they will but never do. They want you to use the wesite catalog.
They used to send catalogs about once a quarter. Do you get a printed
catalog or use the website? In years past, I ordered many $ worth of
items from J.C. Whitney.
> do not archive
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Steven Didier
<steve.didier@gmail.com> wrote:
> JC Whitney has, I believe, a replacement vehicle weather strip that
looks like your gap seal.
> Steve Didier
> C172
> Fox wannabe
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 5:45 AM, Catz631@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I don't think I will ever find it again. I bought it from a vendor at
a flea market in NC. It was figure 8 shaped rubber and I didn't know
what to do with it so only bought about a 5 ft piece (for $1.00) I came
up with the idea later when I was back in Florida to cut the ends off
and make gap seals. The stuff just slips in perfectly and has been there
for over a year now. No glue,no hassle. I must have over $100 worth of
various gap seal tapes and they all suck (peel,discolor,etc) but this
stuff is GREAT !
>> Last time I was at the flea market I asked the "rubber guy" where he
got it and he couldn't remember...Rats !!!
>>
>>
Dick Maddux
>> Fox
4
>>
Milton,Fl
>> <gap seal 1.jpg><gap seal 2.jpg>
>
>
>
>
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> --
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford,IL
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/01/11 |
To all Kitfox enthusiasts :-
EAA Chapter 309 has recently completed a Kitfox Lite project and we have
now put it on eBay for sale.
See
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110631121245v
If you know anybody who may be interested, please point them in our
direction.The plane is at Lake Norman Airpark (14A).
All the very best for the New Year and wishing you smooth landings.
Cheers, John
Mooresville, NC
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Dolly |
Dave, I can move my kitfox around on the gravel with the wings folded with my tail
wheel scoop. I can even scoop up the tail after the wings are folded. The
wheels are 10 in pneumatic from harbour freight.
http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-pneumatic-tire-30900.html
Feel free to copy and modify the design if you want. [Wink]
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel Dolly |
May i suggest attaching a carrying block to the bed of a Radio Flyer. Put
the tail wheel in the block and then fold the wings. Moving the plane
should then be very easy.
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones
Sent: January 2, 2011 8:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tailwheel Dolly
Dave, I can move my kitfox around on the gravel with the wings folded with
my tail wheel scoop. I can even scoop up the tail after the wings are
folded. The wheels are 10 in pneumatic from harbour freight.
http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-pneumatic-tire-30900.html
Feel free to copy and modify the design if you want. [Wink]
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 01/01/11 |
I am completing my Kitfox Mod 4 1200. The glass tanks were coated with
KREEM at the factory in 1994. I am thinking I should wash them with MEK and
retreat them with KREEM. I use mogas in the 582. Are there other liners
superior to KREEM to resist alcohol? Also is there a way to test the KREEM
to see if it is degraded?
Ed Gray Dallas KII 582 N741K do not archive
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:05 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/31/10
(Catz631@aol.com)
2. 08:39 AM - Re: Kitfox crash Glendale, AZ (Lloyd & Lorrie
Cudnohufsky)
3. 09:40 AM - Re: Roll control (bjones@dmv.com)
4. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: elevator gap seals (Patrick Reilly)
5. 11:38 AM - Wing tank fuel filters (DanM)
6. 12:11 PM - gap seal (lkc@juno.com)
7. 12:19 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Av8r3400)
8. 12:21 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (jerry evans)
9. 01:12 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Lynn Matteson)
10. 01:36 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Guy Buchanan)
11. 04:18 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (DanM)
12. 05:51 PM - Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Lowell Fitt)
13. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: Wing tank fuel filters (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
14. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: elevator gap seals (John)
15. 11:05 PM - Official Kitfox-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
(Matt Dralle)
16. 11:08 PM - Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 05:05:31 AM PST US
From: Catz631@aol.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/31/10
No James I haven't. It has held up very well but I sure would like to have
some more. If I ever find it I will let you know
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
In a message dated 1/1/2011 2:05:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
kitfox-list@matronics.com writes:
Dick, did you ever run into that guy again? I have done several searches
online
for a materiel that looks like that to no avail.
Has anyone else figured out what this stuff is?
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 08:39:47 AM PST US
From: "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox crash Glendale, AZ
Guys,
Great to hear that the pilot was not to seriously injured. I will be very
interested in hearing what the cause of the incident was if they are ever
able to determine it. I have heard of a somewhat similar incident in which
the pilot of a Kitffox was not able to roll ailerons to one side after
takeoff (He said he had full control movement before takeoff) and decided to
make an off field landing. He said they were unable to determine what caused
the restricted controls condition during the post incident investigation.
Lloyd C
Northern Mi
Model 5 Outback
912ul IVO IFA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox crash Glendale, AZ
--> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
Looks like the pilot is ok.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2010/12/23/20101223glen
dale-plane-crash-abrk.html
Pete
Kitfox III, 912
Leander, TX
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 09:40:09 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: RE: Roll control
From: bjones@dmv.com
This is a bit basic but since it startled me in during an unusually gust
departure, I thought I'd mention it.
The flaperons (early model IV) are dramatically less effective in roll
control when in full flap mode. Most folks learn this early on and then I
bet primarily use flaps just for minor trim adjustments
I almost never use my flap lever except for minor in flight trim
adjustments. I'm the only person who flies my plane And the plane is
almost always hangered when not flying. So I (WRONGLY) expect the flaps to
be set where I leave them.
However the plane was out one night when a front with strong winds came
thru. The winds pushed the flaps into the full down position which I am
embarassed to say I did not notice.
The next morning when I went for a flight in very gusty post frontal
passage conditions the plane required so much stick input, as I broke
ground that I thought something was badly wrong. For an instant I was
about to abort the take-off before the brain kicked in and I reached down
to adjust the flap handle.
Nothing was broken except my preflight technique. The friction on the flap
handle is tighter now to help prevent movement when tied down and I'm a
bit more attentive during prefilght.
BJ
Kitfox IV N154K
PA 39 N626NR
Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky"
> <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> Guys,
> Great to hear that the pilot was not to seriously injured. I will be very
> interested in hearing what the cause of the incident was if they are ever
> able to determine it. I have heard of a somewhat similar incident in which
> the pilot of a Kitffox was not able to roll ailerons to one side after
> takeoff (He said he had full control movement before takeoff) and decided
> to
> make an off field landing. He said they were unable to determine what
> caused
> the restricted controls condition during the post incident investigation.
>
> Lloyd C
> Northern Mi
> Model 5 Outback
> 912ul IVO IFA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
> Christensen
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 7:04 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox crash Glendale, AZ
>
> --> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>
> Looks like the pilot is ok.
>
>
http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2010/12/23/20101223glen
> dale-plane-crash-abrk.html
>
> Pete
> Kitfox III, 912
> Leander, TX
>
>
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 11:07:01 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: elevator gap seals
From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
If you are talking about gap seal material that is plastic, heavy duty
and clear you can buy it from Tognar . Tognar is a downhill ski tool and
supply company. The material is sold as snowboard top protective plastic
and comes in 14" widths, if I remember correctly. It works super as an
elevator gap seal and is inexpensive.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:42 PM, WurlyBird
<james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>wrote:
> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> Dick, did you ever run into that guy again? I have done several searches
> online for a materiel that looks like that to no avail.
>
> Has anyone else figured out what this stuff is?
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325162#325162
>
>
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 11:38:33 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing tank fuel filters
From: "DanM" <danm@powerdesignelectric.com>
I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting rid of
the original
factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea to have fuel filters from
the wing tanks to just before the header tank and one filter just before the
carb inlet. Opinions and thoughts on this appreciated.
Thanks
--------
Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox IV
Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
Sensenich 62x46
N443DM
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325207#325207
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Time: 12:11:45 PM PST US
From: "lkc@juno.com" <lkc@juno.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: gap seal
Dick~ I'm with James... I'd also love to get ahold of some of that gap
seal you have. After looking at your photos I started drooling with en
vy. In fact I might even try to put it between the trailing edge of my
wing and the flapperon ;-) Well, maybe that's a stretch but Please p
ost info when it comes available so we can get our hands on it.Layne An
ch, Ak S5 Sooby Engine
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Time: 12:19:08 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing tank fuel filters
From: "Av8r3400" <theav8rweb@yahoo.com>
(Same as I posted on the other board)
My opinion and its only one man's opinion:
I do not like the idea of a filter between the wing and header tanks. The
only
flow there is via gravity. A small amount of water contamination could block
the
flow through these filters. Personally, I only like a filter where a pump
provides
positive flow through it.
--------
Thanks,
Av8r3400
Kitfox Model IV-1200 W/912UL & IVO
Kitfox Model IV-1050 W/912UL & Warp
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Time: 12:21:55 PM PST US
From: jerry evans <kitfox555@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing tank fuel filters
On my model 2 -I put glass filter-from wing tank-before the header ta
nk, I like to see the flow of fuel . Before I didn't know when coming in fo
r landing or any descents the fuel stops coming out of the wing . also I ca
n see how much fuel I'm burning by the rate that is flowing in the glass fi
lter. I have had it there for over 75 hour with no problems. I put one ther
e at head level and one just out of the header tank. I did take out the fil
ter in the tank when I sealed with KBS tank sealer -
Jerry Evans
KitfoxII
Magalia Calif.
N582'er'
kitfox 555
--- On Sat, 1/1/11, DanM <danm@powerdesignelectric.com> wrote:
From: DanM <danm@powerdesignelectric.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing tank fuel filters
I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting rid of t
he original factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea to have fuel filt
ers from the wing tanks to just before the header tank and one filter just
before the carb inlet. Opinions and thoughts on this appreciated.
Thanks
--------
Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox IV
Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
Sensenich 62x46
N443DM
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le, List Admin.
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Time: 01:12:42 PM PST US
From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing tank fuel filters
Dan-
That is exactly what I have on my plane right now, and ever since I
first built it....Purolator see-through glass filters between both
tanks (3/8" lines) and header tank, and another one before the fuel
flow meter/TBI inlet. In fact, I have added front ports to my wing
tanks, and I also use the same filters in those down-lines. So a
total of 5 filters in the system...maybe overkill, but nothing gets
into the TBI but fuel....oops, I forgot that the TBI also has what
they call a "last chance filter" which is inside the body of the
TBI...call it 6 filters. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Sensenich 62"x 55.5 Wood (winter) until the Prince prop arrives
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection
Status: flying...1075+ hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Jan 1, 2011, at 2:34 PM, DanM wrote:
> <danm@powerdesignelectric.com>
>
> I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting
> rid of the original factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea
> to have fuel filters from the wing tanks to just before the header
> tank and one filter just before the carb inlet. Opinions and
> thoughts on this appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Dan Mc Intyre
> Kitfox IV
> Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
> Sensenich 62x46
> N443DM
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325207#325207
>
>
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Time: 01:36:15 PM PST US
From: Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing tank fuel filters
On 1/1/2011 11:34 AM, DanM wrote:
> I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting rid of
the
original factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea to have fuel filters
from
the wing tanks to just before the header tank and one filter just before the
carb inlet. Opinions and thoughts on this appreciated.
>
Personally I run big 3/8" lines with no filters down to the header tank.
(I do have the finger strainers in the tank, though.) I then have one
big race-car filter just outside the header tank on the way to the fuel
pump. The idea is to get all the crud down to the header tank so I can
sump it. If I'm getting floaties then I'll see them when I sump the
header, and the filter will stop them. (It's a huge filter, probably
12si of area so it should take a long time to clog.) I've personally
experienced too many flow-limitation problems with the small glass
filters typically seen between the tank and the header.
Guy Buchanan
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs and not counting.
________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 04:18:41 PM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing tank fuel filters
From: "DanM" <danm@powerdesignelectric.com>
I currently have a clear filter on each down line and one just before the
carb.
I have been experiencing unequal flow especially from the left tank it seems
to draw down much faster than the right take. I think it may have something
to
do with filters the filters I'm using.
I'm changing the tank hose to header to 3/8 I.D, I have 5/16 aluminum tube
to the
firewall. Then I will install either 5/16 or 1/4 I.D line from the firewall
to the carb. The carb inlet is 1/4" I think.
--------
Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox IV
Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
Sensenich 62x46
N443DM
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325235#325235
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Time: 05:51:15 PM PST US
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Wing tank fuel filters
Dan,
I see that there are lots of opinions on this one. I have one as well. I
used the auto fuel lines from the wing tanks to the header tanks, and like a
couple of guys I liked to see the fuel running to the header tank so used
the glass filters just above the seat back. I am about to run the fuel
lines on my new project and will do the same. On one trip down the Sierras
to home, I was in a fairly steep descent for a bit over half an hour and
wanted to see the fuel as the rearward ports on the wing tank started
sucking air. It did and I was able to see it and liked to be able to see
it.
Lowell
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From: "DanM" <danm@powerdesignelectric.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Wing tank fuel filters
>
> I'm right in the middle of changing out all my fuel lines, getting rid of
> the original factory stuff. Is it over kill or a good idea to have fuel
> filters from the wing tanks to just before the header tank and one filter
> just before the carb inlet. Opinions and thoughts on this appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Dan Mc Intyre
> Kitfox IV
> Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
> Sensenich 62x46
> N443DM
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325207#325207
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 05:51:55 PM PST US
From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing tank fuel filters
To each his own=2C but I will never have the filters between the wing tank
s and header tank. My only off field landing to date has been because of a
plugged filter between the wing tank and header. That was after about 300
hrs of flying 9 different 2 stroke engined ultralights. My thinking is l
et the header tank catch whatever gets past the finger strainers=2C it is a
ctually a large gascolator and so that's what it's made to do. It doesn't
take much to slow up the flow in a gravity feed situation and that is what
you have between the wings and header tank. I now have a filter after the
header tank and have not had similar problems in the last 300+ hrs. Take
care=2C
Jim Chuk
Avid MK IV (flying)
Kitfox 4 (building)
northern Mn
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Wing tank fuel filters
> From: danm@powerdesignelectric.com
> Date: Sat=2C 1 Jan 2011 16:16:09 -0800
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I currently have a clear filter on each down line and one just before the
carb. I have been experiencing unequal flow especially from the left tank
it seems to draw down much faster than the right take. I think it may have
something to do with filters the filters I'm using.
>
> I'm changing the tank hose to header to 3/8 I.D=2C I have 5/16 aluminum t
ube to the firewall. Then I will install either 5/16 or 1/4 I.D line from t
he firewall to the carb. The carb inlet is 1/4" I think.
>
> --------
> Dan Mc Intyre
> Kitfox IV
> Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 =2C 59.7 hours
> Sensenich 62x46
> N443DM
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=325235#325235
>
>
>
>
>
>
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________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 06:12:13 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: elevator gap seals
From: John <kerrjohna@comcast.net>
I have have had great success with inexpensive adhesive backed clear shelf l
iner from home improvement stores. Check archives for details attaching s-fo
ld, overlapped application. Mine has been on for 700 hours and 10 years.
John
On Jan 1, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you are talking about gap seal material that is plastic, heavy duty and
clear you can buy it from Tognar . Tognar is a downhill ski tool and supply
company. The material is sold as snowboard top protective plastic and comes
in 14" widths, if I remember correctly. It works super as an elevator gap
s
eal and is inexpensive.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 Rebuilt
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 10:42 PM, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
wrote:
il>
>
> Dick, did you ever run into that guy again? I have done several searches
o
nline for a materiel that looks like that to no avail.
>
> Has anyone else figured out what this stuff is?
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
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archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
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can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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________________________________ Message 16
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Time: 11:08:00 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Official Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kitfox-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kitfox-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kitfox-List Usage Guidelines
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**
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kitfox-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kitfox-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kitfox-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kitfox-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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