---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/16/11: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:09 AM - Re: club plane ELSAs (WurlyBird) 2. 08:37 AM - Avgas/mogas survey (Pete Christensen) 3. 02:27 PM - Re: club plane ELSAs (Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky) 4. 03:06 PM - Re: club plane ELSAs (Malcolm Brubaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:12 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: club plane ELSAs From: "WurlyBird" I actually just wrote up a little paper on the subject of starting a flying club to disseminate to guys I work with. It is actually quite remarkable how many people are in professional aviation that have no idea about aviation. A lot of guys I work with want to start working on their PPL when we get home but few feel it is affordable. Bear in mind I have never been a part of a flying club, so this was based on personal experience in GA and Glider communities and some assumptions. The model I drew up revolved around 5 people, an LLC, and a Piper Cub, my understanding is these are getting eaten up by the SP world you just have to operate it appropriately. With a $10,000 buy in and guesstimated $100/mo dues it would be feasible for guys to "rent" the plane for very little. If you have an instructor in the group or even just a fellow who would like to teach to the group at a reasonable rate it is possible to get a PPL for about $2000 with no prior experience (based on minimums). After that you still have the Cub at your disposal which can be operated for what will seem like pennies compared to renting. I wouldn't mind anybody who wants to look at it giving me feedback. There are guys reading it that are starting to think so I may need to help them set it up when the time comes and if I am drastically missing some point I would like to know. Let me know if you want me to send it to you. Referencing the communal aspect of flying. GA NEEDS IT BAD! I learned to fly gliders so flying with a pack of guys all day, helping put away all the planes and then sitting around telling lies afterward was all part of it. That aspect makes flying so much more enjoyable and I plan on hanging fliers at the nearby FBOs when I get home to try and put together a group of pilots that want to fly together. Just like a motorcycle club, but slower and with a better view. -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, now she lies in wait Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331203#331203 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:30 AM PST US From: Pete Christensen Subject: Kitfox-List: Avgas/mogas survey There is a great survey about avgas/mogas. Go here if interested. It's worth a couple minutes. http://www.questionpro.com/akira/TakeSurvey?id 34975 Pete ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:55 PM PST US From: "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: club plane ELSAs I received my tail wheel instruction / endorsement in a Taylorcraft, fun plane, was not licensed as a LSA though. Lloyd From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: club plane ELSAs On 2/15/2011 10:16 AM, Zimmermans wrote: When I went to Light Sport I sold my Cessna & bought a 7AC Champ. It is a legal LS plane plus it is an antique. They are there for $25,000 on up. We have several in this area that are club owned. I will never live long enough to see a new LS that I consider affordable. My 2 cents worth. Good idea Jim. SportAviation had a recent article on a bunch of cheap certificated LSAs: Chiefs, Champs, Luscombs, Ercoupes, Cessna 120/140, PA 15/17, Taylorcraft BC-12. All these were claimed to be below $40k and many were below $30k. Don't know if they'd be insurable for flight instruction, though. Guy Buchanan Scoutmaster - Troop 680 760.809.6145 scoutmaster@troop680.org www.troop680.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:48 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: club plane ELSAs If the grose was less than=C2-=C2- 1320#=C2- it is a lsa=C2- mal=0A Malcolm Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989 )513-3022 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Lloyd & L orrie Cudnohufsky <7suds@Chartermi.net>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0AS ent: Wed, February 16, 2011 5:16:29 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: club pla ne ELSAs=0A=0A=0AI received my tail wheel instruction / endorsement in a Ta ylorcraft, fun plane, =0Awas not licensed as a LSA though.=0ALloyd =0A=C2 -=0AFrom:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-l ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan=0ASent: Tuesday, Februa ry 15, 2011 6:50 PM=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-L ist: club plane ELSAs=0A=C2-=0AOn 2/15/2011 10:16 AM, Zimmermans wrote: =0AWhen I went to Light Sport I sold my Cessna & bought a 7AC Champ. 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