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1. 05:45 AM - Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/18/11 (Eric & Christine McKenney)
2. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: club plane ELSAs (Malcolm Brubaker)
3. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Auto oil filter for 912? (Pete Christensen)
4. 10:04 AM - ethanol fuel issues (Dave G)
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| Subject: | RE: Kitfox-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/18/11 |
The 2 SLSA that are cheap and legal for instruction=2C if being rented are
the M-Squared Breeze at $25=2C000 and the Slipstream ultrasport at $35=2C0
00 my only complaint is that both are open cockpit. the Breeze has over 600
lbs of useable weight=2C being open with just windscreens they wouldn't be
feasible for northern use in summer=2C but at least someone is trying. Falc
on Insurance will cover both for instruction.
> Date: Fri=2C 18 Feb 2011 23:59:30 -0800
> From: kitfox-list@matronics.com
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> Subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/18/11
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> 1. 06:52 AM - Re: Auto oil filter for 912? (Tucsonchris)
> 2. 09:36 AM - Re: club plane ELSAs (John W. Hart)
> 3. 02:13 PM - Re: Auto oil filter for 912? (jerrytex)
> 4. 06:09 PM - Re: Auto oil filter for 912? (Roger Lee)
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> Time: 06:52:14 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Auto oil filter for 912?
> From: "Tucsonchris" <chris@chrisgall.com>
>
>
> FYI=2C the Purolator PureOne PL 10241 recommended is too tall to fit unde
r the stock
> Kitfox exhaust=2C Bought one=2C tried it. I'd have to take the exhaust of
f each
> time and it doesn't look like that would be fun.
>
> --------
> Chris G.
> Tucson=2C Arizona
> Marana Regional Airport
> Kitfox SS
> 912s
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331405#331405
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> Time: 09:36:33 AM PST US
> From: "John W. Hart" <helili@chahtatushka.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: club plane ELSAs
>
> Mal=2C
>
> Well=2C yes and no.
>
> The Taylorcraft is licensed under CAR 4=2C dating back to 1939.
>
> http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgMakeModel.nsf/0/B3
> F7EB59DB30E3DD8625747A006B33C0?OpenDocument
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> A Type Certificate Data Sheet exists for the Taylorcraft.
>
> http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/f11a
> 5c945ba842338625747a006b2f74/$FILE/A-696.pdf
>
> The Taylorcraft has a Standard Airworthiness Certificate=2C not a Light
> Sport Category Certificate:
>
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/airworthiness_certification/sp_awcer
> t/light_sport/
>
> It is not licensed in the Light Sport Category=2C however it may be
> operated by Sport Pilot Certificate Holder under Sport Pilot Rules
> because it meets all the rules of Light Sport Aircraft:
>
> http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/light_sport/media/ExistingModels.pdf
>
> Maintenance=2C modifications and inspections of the Taylorcraft must be
> accomplished under Part 43 rules. By virtue of the Standard
> Airworthiness Certificate=2C maintenance requires a certificated
> maintenance technician.
>
> John Hart
>
> KF IV
>
> Wilburton=2C OK
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm
> Brubaker
> Sent: Wednesday=2C February 16=2C 2011 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: club plane ELSAs
>
>
> If the grose was less than 1320# it is a lsa mal
>
>
> Malcolm Brubaker
> Michigan Sport
> Pilot Repair
> LSRM-A=2C PPC=2C WS
> (989)513-3022
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky <7suds@Chartermi.net>
> Sent: Wed=2C February 16=2C 2011 5:16:29 PM
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: club plane ELSAs
>
> I received my tail wheel instruction / endorsement in a Taylorcraft=2C fu
n
> plane=2C was not licensed as a LSA though.
>
> Lloyd
>
>
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy
> Buchanan
> Sent: Tuesday=2C February 15=2C 2011 6:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: club plane ELSAs
>
>
> On 2/15/2011 10:16 AM=2C Zimmermans wrote:
>
> When I went to Light Sport I sold my Cessna & bought a 7AC Champ. It is
> a legal LS plane plus it is an antique. They are there for $25=2C000 on
> up. We have several in this area that are club owned. I will never live
> long enough to see a new LS that I consider affordable. My 2 cents
> worth.
>
>
> Good idea Jim. SportAviation had a recent article on a bunch of cheap
> certificated LSAs: Chiefs=2C Champs=2C Luscombs=2C Ercoupes=2C Cessna 120
/140=2C
> PA 15/17=2C Taylorcraft BC-12. All these were claimed to be below $40k an
d
> many were below $30k. Don't know if they'd be insurable for flight
> instruction=2C though.
>
>
> Guy Buchanan
>
> Scoutmaster =93 Troop 680
>
> 760.809.6145
>
> scoutmaster@troop680.org
>
>
> www.troop680.org
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________
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>
> Time: 02:13:55 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Auto oil filter for 912?
> From: "jerrytex" <jery230@tconline.net>
>
>
> I ran into the same problem with the Purolator being to tall. I went with
the Napa
> Gold.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331450#331450
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________
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>
> Time: 06:09:51 PM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Auto oil filter for 912?
> From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
>
> The Pure One as the Fram are slightly less 1/2" longer than a stock Rotax
filter.
> There are a few instances where owners have a stock exhaust that is a lit
tle
> too close to fit the filter in over the threaded mount. Some with stock R
otax
> exhaust don't have this problem and some just have different exhaust. The
only
> way to find out is buy one and try it. Sorry there is no other way. Don't
> put any oil in it and you can take it back if it is a tad too long.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson=2C Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
> Cell 520-349-7056
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331473#331473
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: club plane ELSAs |
There has been a lot of progress on this topic since we started this thread
. We =0Ahave posted-on 6 different user groups over the past-two weeks.
Our goal is to =0Aproduce a usuable format or template and-make it-ava
liable to-everyone.--This is =0Ato show certified instructors how to
set up a "club" ELSA or EAB-plane and use =0Ait to train in-while stayi
ng within-the existing regs. =0A=0ANAFI-(National Association of Flight
Instructors)-has picked up on this and not =0Aonly have they asked-Mar
k and I-if we want to join their group to-work on a =0Aplan, they have
offered their help-for looking into ways-to-achieve this =0Agoal.-
--Ultralight training- is also-very high on their agenda.-NAFI ha
s offered =0Ato spearhead-an effort-to approach the-FAA-about chang
ing some -regs to-help the =0Aultralight/light sport-movement.--T
his is a much larger task then publishing a =0Ahand book.-=0AWe have had
a lot of positive response. Several people have shown an interest in =0Ahel
ping and-have demonstrated a knowledge of the regs AND how to use them to
=0Athis end.--We look forward to working with anyone that can add a-
positive =0Anote.- We have received several downloads on club plane agre
ements, magazine =0Aarticles,- statements published by the- AOPA,- EA
A and insurance =0Acompanies.--Terms like equitable-position, partner
ship and -the legal defination =0Aof that word,- and profit are just a
-few-that need to be carefully navigated in =0Aour format.- Sorting t
hrough this info and-reproducing it into a user friendly =0Aformat to-a
chieve our goal is becoming a time consuming task.--However, our goal
=0Aremains the same.- Please feel free to contact us off list if you feel
you have =0Aany expertise- or resources in these areas.-=0A-Malcolm
Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport=0APilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A(989)513-302
2 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: WurlyBird <james.
t.trizzino@us.army.mil>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, Februa
ry 16, 2011 8:06:30 AM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: club plane ELSAs=0A=0A--
=0A=0AI actually just wrote up a little paper on the subject of starting a
flying club =0Ato disseminate to guys I work with.- It is actually quite
remarkable how many =0Apeople are in professional aviation that have no ide
a about aviation.- A lot of =0Aguys I work with want to start working on
their PPL when we get home but few =0Afeel it is affordable.- Bear in min
d I have never been a part of a flying club, =0Aso this was based on person
al experience in GA and Glider communities and some =0Aassumptions.- The
model I drew up revolved around 5 people, an LLC, and a Piper =0ACub, my un
derstanding is these are getting eaten up by the SP world you just =0Ahave
to operate it appropriately.- With a $10,000 buy in and guesstimated =0A$
100/mo dues it would be feasible for guys to "rent" the plane for very litt
le.- =0AIf you have an instructor in the group or even just a fellow who
would like to =0Ateach to the group at a reasonable rate it is possible to
get a PPL for about =0A$2000 with no prior experience (based on mini!=0Amum
s).- After that you still have the Cub at your disposal which can be oper
ated =0Afor what will seem like pennies compared to renting.- I wouldn't
mind anybody =0Awho wants to look at it giving me feedback.- There are gu
ys reading it that are =0Astarting to think so I may need to help them set
it up when the time comes and =0Aif I am drastically missing some point I w
ould like to know.- Let me know if you =0Awant me to send it to you.=0A
=0AReferencing the communal aspect of flying.- GA NEEDS IT BAD!- I lear
ned to fly =0Agliders so flying with a pack of guys all day, helping put aw
ay all the planes =0Aand then sitting around telling lies afterward was all
part of it.- That aspect =0Amakes flying so much more enjoyable and I pl
an on hanging fliers at the nearby =0AFBOs when I get home to try and put t
ogether a group of pilots that want to fly =0Atogether.- Just like a moto
rcycle club, but slower and with a better view.=0A=0A--------=0AJames=0AKit
fox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA=0A50 hrs on the Fox in between deploy
ments,=0A- - - now she lies in wait=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onl
ine here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331203#331203
======================0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Auto oil filter for 912? |
Carquest filter 85056 is exactly the same size as the NAPA 1056. It's
cheaper too.
Pete
On 2/18/2011 8:07 PM, Roger Lee wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Lee"<ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
> The Pure One as the Fram are slightly less 1/2" longer than a stock Rotax filter.
There are a few instances where owners have a stock exhaust that is a little
too close to fit the filter in over the threaded mount. Some with stock Rotax
exhaust don't have this problem and some just have different exhaust. The
only way to find out is buy one and try it. Sorry there is no other way. Don't
put any oil in it and you can take it back if it is a tad too long.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
> Cell 520-349-7056
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331473#331473
>
>
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| Subject: | ethanol fuel issues |
I'm unsure how relevant it is but I wanted to quote the following email for
those who use ethanol blended auto fuel in their Kitfox.
It is from Pete Krotje who is the jabiru rep in the US. Since ethanol is
sourced from many places and refiners and added in at the last minute ( I
suppose by oil truck drivers) it has rendered US auto fuel an inconsistent
and potentially unknown material in countries using it.
Have a look, it can't hurt to keep it in mind.
____________________________________________________________________________
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The referenced advisory rescinding auto gas approval applies only to S-LSA
aircraft produced by Jabiru USA. We issued it because of growing evidence
from our LSA fleet plus many reports from operators of amateur build
aircraft of fuel system problems emanating from some of the additives or
contaminants in auto gas. We've received many reports of a stringy mucus
like substance precipitating out of the fuel solution that clog fuel filters
and gum up carburetors. We've received reports of this happening in
fiberglass tanks with sealants, plastic tanks without tank sealants, and
even welded aluminum tanks with no sealants. This substance has been the
suspected cause of at least one fatal crash. We've received no such reports
from operators using Avgas 100LL.
Searching through fuel test reports from gas stations across the country we
find that a significant number of samples reported contaminants such as
acetone, mek, toluene and other minor keytones plus the deliberately added
components like ethanol, methanol, mtbe and tame. There is now good research
that I could find on the effects of long term storage in fiberglass tanks.
While our tanks are sealed with a product that is resistant to 10% ethanol
there still seems to be a potential problem in every day use. I think that
the effects of some of these additives and contaminants coming out of the
solution (or suspension) with the fuel and settling to one area of a fuel
tank in higher concentrations than expected is unknown and potentially quite
damaging. While Jabiru Australia has had coupon samples of fiberglass coated
with the sealant immersed in a gas - ethanol solution for nearly two years
with no apparent damage to the sealant, there has not been a field study of
E10 in a real tank exposed to moisture and condensation that may cause
ethanol to combine with water and fall to the tank bottom in higher ethanol
concentrations than expected.
My advice to operators using auto fuel - either with or without ethaonol -
is to keep a really close watch on their fuel systems. Carefully inspect
fuel filters and carbs on a regular basis.
Pete
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
931-680-2800
www.usjabiru.com
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Dave G. KF IV / 582 / NS
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