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1. 06:17 AM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Margaret Hastedt)
2. 06:56 AM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Aerobatics@aol.com)
3. 08:12 AM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Jose M. Toro)
4. 08:38 AM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Aerobatics@aol.com)
5. 03:09 PM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Michael Logan)
6. 08:54 PM - Re: Looking for a story... (akflyer)
7. 09:18 PM - Re: Bungee tube failure (akflyer)
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
Hi Albert,
I am in the process of installing a Jabiru 3300 (120 HP) in my Classic IV. I retired
my semi-NSI Subaru after too many problems to list. I'm looking forward
to 50% more horsepower and over 90 less pounds.
Margaret Hastedt
College Station TX
Classic IV, 3300 -soon!
>>> "Albert" <kitfox@ida.net> 3/2/2011 11:34 PM >>>
Hello all
Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model 5TD?
I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas, thoughts or experience
to me.
Thanks
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
No personal exp with Hirth but know of ........... lots of problems...
over heating etc . all rumors to be frank.
However lots of exp with Jab 3300. Its a Beautiful engine. A jewel to
look at, very smooth and powerful. But we have 3 slsa in a training environment
that was a nightmare. Maybe as a Hobby aircraft engine it will be fine...
The 912S has proven itself to us over and over to be more complex but very
very reliable We have flown over 2,500 hours with Jab and 3,000 with 912S
Even on a cold day.. less than 45 F the Jab was very difficult to start,
the 912S was like a car didn't care....
In spite of its price, the Rotax dominates the market. We now understand
why. :-)
Its all good enjoy!
Dave
In a message dated 3/3/2011 8:18:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,
hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu writes:
--> Kitfox-LisHowever lots of exp with Jab 3300t message posted by:
"Margaret Hastedt" <hastedt@iodp.tamu.edu>
Hi Albert,
I am in the process of installing a Jabiru 3300 (120 HP) in my Classic IV.
I retired my semi-NSI Subaru after too many problems to list. I'm
looking forward to 50% more horsepower and over 90 less pounds.
Margaret Hastedt
College Station TX
Classic IV, 3300 -soon!
>>> "Albert" <kitfox@ida.net> 3/2/2011 11:34 PM >>>
Hello all
Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model
5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas,
thoughts or experience to me.
Thanks
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
Albert:=0A=0AA friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to us
e-a 65 hp, 2 =0Acylinders, air cooled Hirth engine.- After three engine
s failures, and the =0Acorresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to
the well known Rotax 582.- =0ANo more problems. I have read about Hirth
engine problems for the last 18 =0Ayears.- I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGIN
ES!!!=0A=0AJose Toro=0Aex-owner Kitfox II/582=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0AFrom: Albert <kitfox@ida.net>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matroni
cs.com=0ASent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Hirth
F30 thoughts=0A=0A=0AHello all=0AHere is a question. What is the opinion of
a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model 5TD?- =0AI have an NSI 140T with CAP prop
. Do not like it. Throw ideas, thoughts or =0Aexperience to me.=0AThanks=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
I would like to add I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO around
500 hours.... perfect
In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
jose_m_toro@yahoo.com writes:
Albert:
A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65 hp, 2
cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine. After three engines failures, and the
corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well known Rotax
582. No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine problems for the
last 18 years. I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!
Jose Toro
ex-owner Kitfox II/582
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From: Albert <kitfox@ida.net>
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Hello all
Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model
5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas,
thoughts or experience to me.
Thanks
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Hirth F30 thoughts |
Keep the basic engine, get rid of the dry sump system and gearbox. Put an
autoflight or SPG-4 gearbox on it and keep the CAP. Ron at RAM Performance
can redo the engine for you and really increase the power and smoothness, he
also sells the autoflights on his engine and can put you in touch with the
New Zealand factory if you want to buy it outright. When you are finished
upgrading, you will have a smooth running engine, lots of power and will
have spent a lot less than buying a Rotax or Hirth. The CAP was the only
worthwhile thing that Lance had at NSI and I think he actually took the
design from a German company.
Mike Logan
Series 5 RAM EA-81 140 CAP
Fredericksburg, VA
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:34 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Hello all
Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model
5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas,
thoughts or experience to me.
Thanks
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a story... |
I posted the story as told to me a long time ago by the guy who done it.
It takes all kinds to keep the entertainment value up around these parts as bone
headed "hunting trip" stories are way to common. Most sound like a red neck
fairy tale and start with "this this aint no $#it" or "y'all aint gonna believe
this $#it" .
A great book filled with one mans hunting stories that is filled with tails of
narrow escapes and truly bone headed stuff that should have made ole Bob the recipient
of a darwin award is "oh no were gonna die".
I know alot of the stories (mainly the true ones) are hard to believe but you know,
they are just so ridiculous that you just cant get stoned enough to make
them up!
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (147 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332721#332721
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee tube failure |
I posted on this same issue a couple years ago. When I bought my Avid it was because
it had been on its back TWICE due to the exact same failure. I was in
the process of rebuilding mine when I was out flying with my brother in his Mod
II KF and we ended up looking at dirt through the windshield due to the left
gear leg folding up.
Hmm, that was kind of another one of my funny stories. My brother shows up from
OK after being gone from alaska for 10 or 12 yrs. A few days after he shows
up he got arrested on an outstanding traffic warrant from years ago haha.. he
spends 6 days in jail and I go pick him up from the jail house and we head straight
to the airport cause he needs to fly to clear his head of all his bad luck.
His first off airport landing at a buddies dirt strip results in us hanging
in our seat belts kinda laughing (when the gear folded). Welcome home bro!!
OK so at any rate, I learned a few valuable things about the gear leg design.
There have been lots of failures of this nature and all start at the toe of the
weld with the crack propagating around the tube. When you have your safety
cable wrapped around that part of the tube it does absolutely ZILCH for you when
the tube breaks. I made my cables just a tad longer and I run it inside the
triangle where the angled down tube comes in so you still have the safety cable
in place when the tube breaks.
I went with the Avid wide / heavy gear (we used this gear on a couple of local
kit foxes including my brothers). I chose to cut the tab off the end of mine
and slid a tube INSIDE the gear leg so I had a good tube without any welds to
start the fracture on. Welded the tab that holds the bungees from slipping off
back on and now have a double tough tube for the bungee to wrap around.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (147 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009
I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332722#332722
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