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1. 04:48 AM - Re: Head protection (PMorel)
2. 06:26 AM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Aerobatics@aol.com)
3. 09:36 AM - Re: Head protection (Guy Buchanan)
4. 01:19 PM - 582 engine mounts (Marco Menezes)
5. 04:06 PM - Re: Hirth F30 thoughts (Patrick Reilly)
6. 06:19 PM - Radial 2800 (Mark Hill)
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| Subject: | Re: Head protection |
This has been a concern of mine too. I went down to my local Home Depot and purchased
pipe insulation for tube padding. Works just fine.
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Paul Morel
912 Speedster
Locust Grove, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
912 is a fabulous engine.... Im lucky to have flown about 1,000 hours
behind one... but power to weight of the 582 is ... in my opinion the
perfect engine for the KF 2 3 :-)
enjoy
Dave
In a message dated 3/6/2011 6:34:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
patreilly43@gmail.com writes:
Dave, I haven't "tweaked" my 582 . Just attempted to set up and maintain
properly. I don't want to reduce life or reliabilty. My opinion is that a
582 is just about right for a Mod 2 or 3. But, I haven't flown a 912. I might
like it.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:46 PM, <_aerobatics@aol.com_
(mailto:aerobatics@aol.com) > wrote:
My point is isn't the 582 enough on a kf 2-3? .... I raced skidoo so I
understand the tweaking a 2 strokes too .... that's easy but the life of a
aviation engine is totally different. Totally. One is a highly tweaked
sprinter vs cruising at 70% for long periods.
If you go to youtube and search. Kitfox short field take off and see a tan
model 2 that all stock w a 582 bluehead ....
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: _patreilly43@gmail.com_ (mailto:patreilly43@gmail.com)
Sent: Sat, Mar 5, 2011 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Dave, Most certain. I have flown it about 20 hours or so. I am an old 2
stroke dirtbike racer and am very comfortable with 2 stroke engines. Bought
the engine used FWF with a C box with 100 hours on everything. It was
pulled from a kitfox for a larger engine install. The engine had sat for a year
before I bought it, and another year and a half before I installed it and
fired it up. I have a Warp Drive ground adjustable prop that came with the
engine. It is rated at 65 HP. Don't forget this thread started with
questions about a 100 HP engine.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, <_aerobatics@aol.com_
(mailto:aerobatics@aol.com) > wrote:
Hi Pat
Have you flown you 3 with a 582
Dave
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From: _patreilly43@gmail.com_ (mailto:patreilly43@gmail.com)
Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 10:53 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells them
on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in providing
rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly, might be the way
to go for added power. My limited experience with my 582 leads me to
recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine. Remember this thread's question
was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <_lynnmatt@jps.net_
(mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net) > wrote:
(mailto:lynnmatt@jps.net) >
Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I suspect
that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to build engines, and
then leaves them alone, it will see a greater share of the market.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, _Aerobatics@aol.com_
(mailto:Aerobatics@aol.com) wrote:
I would like to add I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO around
500 hours.... perfect
In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
_jose_m_toro@yahoo.com_ (mailto:jose_m_toro@yahoo.com) writes:
Albert:
A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65 hp,
2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine. After three engines failures, and
the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well known Rotax
582. No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine problems for the
last 18 years. I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!
Jose Toro
ex-owner Kitfox II/582
From: Albert <_kitfox@ida.net_ (mailto:kitfox@ida.net) >
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
Hello all
Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a model
5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas,
thoughts or experience to me.
Thanks
Albert Smith
MudLake, Idaho
5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Head protection |
On 3/6/2011 1:45 PM, Dave wrote:
> The reason I bring it up is to ask if others have padded the tubes above our
> heads or if they wear a helmet.
Oh yes. I covered the tubes to the side and rear with foam tube
insulation. I've used them many a time, as I fly in any turbulence. The
hard one to protect is the perfectly vertical -1 g bump that raps your
headset band smartly into the skylight. I once saw a Kitfox skylight hit
so hard this way it popped the fasteners along one side and back edge.
I'm getting shorter with age though so maybe this won't be a problem in
the future. ;-)
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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| Subject: | 582 engine mounts |
I've got my 582 out for overhaul and will be replacing the engine mounts wh
en it goes back in. Anybody got some-unused ones lying about they'd like
to part with? John McB, if you're out there, have you got some of those in
-the event-the Kitfox community doesn't?
-
Also, wasn't there an upgrade from the plate-type mount used in the earlier
582 applications?
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Marco Menezes N99KX
Hersey, MI
Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth F30 thoughts |
Dave, I also thought the 582 was light enough to make it the ideal mod 3
engine. The price difference was also very attractive.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:23 AM, <Aerobatics@aol.com> wrote:
> 912 is a fabulous engine.... Im lucky to have flown about 1,000 hours
> behind one... but power to weight of the 582 is ... in my opinion the
> perfect engine for the KF 2 3 :-)
>
> enjoy
>
> Dave
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2011 6:34:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> patreilly43@gmail.com writes:
>
> Dave, I haven't "tweaked" my 582 . Just attempted to set up and maintain
> properly. I don't want to reduce life or reliabilty. My opinion is that a
> 582 is just about right for a Mod 2 or 3. But, I haven't flown a 912. I
> might like it.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
> Rockford, IL
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:46 PM, <aerobatics@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> My point is isn't the 582 enough on a kf 2-3? .... I raced skidoo so I
>> understand the tweaking a 2 strokes too .... that's easy but the life of a
>> aviation engine is totally different. Totally. One is a highly tweaked
>> sprinter vs cruising at 70% for long periods.
>>
>> If you go to youtube and search. Kitfox short field take off and see a tan
>> model 2 that all stock w a 582 bluehead ....
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: patreilly43@gmail.com
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sat, Mar 5, 2011 3:24 pm
>> Subject: Re: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
>>
>> Dave, Most certain. I have flown it about 20 hours or so. I am an old 2
>> stroke dirtbike racer and am very comfortable with 2 stroke engines. Bought
>> the engine used FWF with a C box with 100 hours on everything. It was
>> pulled from a kitfox for a larger engine install. The engine had sat for a
>> year before I bought it, and another year and a half before I installed it
>> and fired it up. I have a Warp Drive ground adjustable prop that came with
>> the engine. It is rated at 65 HP. Don't forget this thread started with
>> questions about a 100 HP engine.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, <aerobatics@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Pat
>>> Have you flown you 3 with a 582
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: patreilly43@gmail.com
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 10:53 am
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
>>>
>>> Has anyone had experience with the Rotax 670 engine? Rotax Rick sells
>>> them on Barnstormers. From his ads he appears to be experienced in providing
>>> rebuilt Rotax engines. I thought the 670, if setup properly, might be the
>>> way to go for added power. My limited experience with my 582 leads me to
>>> recommend Rotax as a very reliable 65 HP engine. Remember this thread's
>>> question was for powering a mod 5 with 100 HP.
>>>
>>> Pat Reilly
>>> Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
>>> Rockford, IL
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Part of the Rotax dominance is that it has been around longer. I suspect
>>>> that once Jabiru settles down and decides how it wants to build engines, and
>>>> then leaves them alone, it will see a greater share of the market.
>>>>
>>>> Lynn Matteson
>>>> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
>>>> Jabiru 2200, #2062
>>>> Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
>>>> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
>>>> Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
>>>> Status: flying...1083 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to add I personally have a KF2 with a 582 E box IVO
>>>>> around 500 hours.... perfect
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>>>>> jose_m_toro@yahoo.com writes:
>>>>> Albert:
>>>>>
>>>>> A friend of mine, despite of my recommendations, decided to use a 65
>>>>> hp, 2 cylinders, air cooled Hirth engine. After three engines failures,
and
>>>>> the corresponding aircraft repairs, decided to switch to the well known
>>>>> Rotax 582. No more problems. I have read about Hirth engine problems for
>>>>> the last 18 years. I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIRTH ENGINES!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jose Toro
>>>>> ex-owner Kitfox II/582
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Albert <kitfox@ida.net>
>>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 1:34:03 AM
>>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Hirth F30 thoughts
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all
>>>>> Here is a question. What is the opinion of a Hirth F30 110 hp. in a
>>>>> model 5TD? I have an NSI 140T with CAP prop. Do not like it. Throw ideas,
>>>>> thoughts or experience to me.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Albert Smith
>>>>> MudLake, Idaho
>>>>> 5TD NSI 140T CAP prop. 10 hrs.
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>>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>>> Rockford,IL
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A pilot friend of mine and myself are interested in The Kitfox as our second
build. ( Kolb is great ) The new Kitfox w/ the R2800 seems like fun. We both
have our seaplane rating and wish to continue with Amphib Floats with the
Kitfox. Any comments about this combination for our build would be very
helpful.
Thank you in advance
Mark Hill
Sport Pilot 4 Years
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