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1. 03:53 AM - Re: Radial 2800 (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
2. 04:05 AM - Re: Gascolator (WurlyBird)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Wing strut Fairings and a new Pitot tube??? (rawheels)
4. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (John W. Hart)
5. 05:44 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lynn Matteson)
6. 08:22 AM - Re: Radial 2800 (Patrick Reilly)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Patrick Reilly)
8. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lowell Fitt)
9. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Patrick Reilly)
10. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Patrick Reilly)
11. 09:00 AM - Re: Gascolator (Tom Jones)
12. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Patrick Reilly)
13. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Guy Buchanan)
14. 12:25 PM - Re: Radial 2800 (Noel Loveys)
15. 03:29 PM - Re: Radial 2800 (Patrick Reilly)
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On Tue, March 8, 2011 2:42 pm, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Yeah Lowell, buttheylook realllly cool! And, I bet they sound really cool
> too!;-)
I agree - sort of like the Harley appeal. Speaking of that, here's a photo of what
looks to me like a Rotec in a Harley styled MC.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
Office 425.440.9505
425.241.1618 Cell
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible
from
one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
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Unfortunately the builders manual for the 3 does not go into great detail with
the fuel system, which is probably why the guy that built mine had it so oddly
set up. I am running a 582 and the current fuel set up runs strictly 1/4" and
I have had no issues. It is not until I got this header tank that it was brought
to my attention that this wasn't normal. The way my fuel system is now
it is 1/4" aluminum tubing under the seat and into the fire wall, but any where
there needs to be flex or a fitting there is a section of rubber fuel tubing.
Hopefully I can get this sorted out with out too much trouble. thanks for
the help, and here is a picture of the fitting I am talking about.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
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| Subject: | Re: Wing strut Fairings and a new Pitot tube??? |
WurlyBird wrote:
> Ryan, just curious, but do you think you would ever actually remove the fairings?
I plan on unsnapping them to visual the struts at each annual, and as Tom Jones
mentioned, I'd have to unsnap them and maybe rotate them vertically if I ever
wanted to fold the wings.
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I think this is probably what he's talking about:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ha/an.html
John Hart
KF IV
Wilburton, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
On 3/20/2011 7:17 PM, WurlyBird wrote:
> First it seems that all components used for my fuel system is 1/4" so I am
going to replace the two in barbs with 1/4". Is there something wrong with
this? Hope not.
I used 3/8 for my feed lines to minimize losses.
> I am also looking at the blue elbow which leads to the engine from the
header. I am familiar with compression fittings but I can not figure this
one out. What size tubing goes into this nipple? None of the tubing I have
seems to fit and it is 1/4" aluminum. Also, I can not for the life of me
find the 'nut' needed to complete the compression fitting. I have searched
on Aircraft Spruce for over an hour and gone through the builders manual and
can not find the name of this part.
>
I hope someone else can figure out what you're asking, because without
pictures I can't. If nobody else replies shoot some pictures or
reference some manual pages / pictures and I'll try to help.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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Aviation fittings are 37, and hardware store stuff is 45, Lowell.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1089 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
Temp. grounded...building new intake manifold.
On Mar 21, 2011, at 12:45 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>
> James,
>
(snip)
> - as I understand it, the typical AN fitting we use has a 45
> flair and the hardware store fitting flair is 37.
>
(snip)
> Lowell
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Ther is another Rotec powered bike built by Jessee James with the engine
facing forward like on a plane. I don't have a picture. Its cool though.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT
<paul@eucleides.com>wrote:
> On Tue, March 8, 2011 2:42 pm, Marco Menezes wrote:
> > Yeah Lowell, but they look realllly cool! And, I bet they sound really
> cool
> > too! ;-)
>
> I agree - sort of like the Harley appeal. Speaking of that, here's a photo
> of what
> looks to me like a Rotec in a Harley styled MC.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> Office 425.440.9505
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
> In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as
> possible from
> one party of the citizens to give to the other.
> -- Voltaire (1764)
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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Wurleybird, I have a mod 3 582 with 1/4" plastic lines to plastic header
tank behind seat and aluminum line from header to valve under the panel, and
hose connecting aluminum tube to valve and from valve through firewall. The
only problem I encountered was getting fittings in that plastic header to
seal up. I tried everything with no success until someone on this site
recommended Dow 730 sold by Aircraft Spruce. It sealed up on 1st try with
no sign of a leak. The only draw back and reason why I tried everything else
1st is the damn stuff is $100 for a 3 oz tube. I used about $2 worth on the
fittings and still have the tube in the refrigerator a year latter. Wife
hasn't complained about that use of the refrigerator once. She was much more
upset the day she called me after she found a skunk in the freezer
compartment that I was intending to skin out for a hat for the grandkids.
Since I do all the cooking why would she be in the freezer anyway? She
asked, "Is there a dead animal in our freezer?" I replied, "Sure there are
alot of dead animals, pigs, cows, chickens and fish too. Why do you ask?"
"No, I mean with black hair still on it". The conversation went downhill
from there. But, alls well that ends well. We are still married. Although
come to think of it she is my 2nd wife. Had to divorce the 1st one. It was
all her fault. She absolutely refused to get along with my girl friend.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:03 AM, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>wrote:
> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> Unfortunately the builders manual for the 3 does not go into great detail
> with the fuel system, which is probably why the guy that built mine had it
> so oddly set up. I am running a 582 and the current fuel set up runs
> strictly 1/4" and I have had no issues. It is not until I got this header
> tank that it was brought to my attention that this wasn't normal. The way
> my fuel system is now it is 1/4" aluminum tubing under the seat and into the
> fire wall, but any where there needs to be flex or a fitting there is a
> section of rubber fuel tubing. Hopefully I can get this sorted out with out
> too much trouble. thanks for the help, and here is a picture of the fitting
> I am talking about.
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334568#334568
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3210109_187.jpg
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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Lynn,
I stand corrected. The point I was trying to make is that the Ace Hardware
flairing tool, is not the one to use for AN Fittings.
My bad.
Lowell
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From: "Lynn Matteson" <lynnmatt@jps.net>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
>
> Aviation fittings are 37, and hardware store stuff is 45, Lowell.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062
> Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
> Status: flying...1089 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
> Temp. grounded...building new intake manifold.
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2011, at 12:45 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>
>>
>> James,
>>
> (snip)
>
>> - as I understand it, the typical AN fitting we use has a 45 flair and
>> the hardware store fitting flair is 37.
>>
> (snip)
>
>> Lowell
>
>
>
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Wurlybird, I saw that fitting in your other post. I believe it was a flare
fitting. I don't kow what size aluminum tubing you need. And, off the top of
my head, I don't know what size mine uses. I have a similar fitting out of
my header tank with aluminum tubing. 1/4" rubber fuel hose is a very tight
fit over the aluminum tubing. Guess that would be 1/4" aluminum tubing.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:17 PM, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>wrote:
> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> I have been working on the new header tank, among other things, and I have
> a couple more questions about it.
>
> First it seems that all components used for my fuel system is 1/4" so I am
> going to replace the two in barbs with 1/4". Is there something wrong with
> this? Hope not.
>
> I am also looking at the blue elbow which leads to the engine from the
> header. I am familiar with compression fittings but I can not figure this
> one out. What size tubing goes into this nipple? None of the tubing I have
> seems to fit and it is 1/4" aluminum. Also, I can not for the life of me
> find the 'nut' needed to complete the compression fitting. I have searched
> on Aircraft Spruce for over an hour and gone through the builders manual and
> can not find the name of this part.
>
> Someone please help.
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334557#334557
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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Wurleybird, Those AN flare fittings are available from most streetrod or
race car parts suppliers also, Summit Racing, Jegs, etc.
Pat reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:50 AM, John W. Hart <helili@chahtatushka.net>wrote:
> >
>
> I think this is probably what he's talking about:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ha/an.html
>
> John Hart
> KF IV
> Wilburton, OK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:18 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
>
>
> On 3/20/2011 7:17 PM, WurlyBird wrote:
> > First it seems that all components used for my fuel system is 1/4" so I
> am
> going to replace the two in barbs with 1/4". Is there something wrong with
> this? Hope not.
> I used 3/8 for my feed lines to minimize losses.
> > I am also looking at the blue elbow which leads to the engine from the
> header. I am familiar with compression fittings but I can not figure this
> one out. What size tubing goes into this nipple? None of the tubing I
> have
> seems to fit and it is 1/4" aluminum. Also, I can not for the life of me
> find the 'nut' needed to complete the compression fitting. I have searched
> on Aircraft Spruce for over an hour and gone through the builders manual
> and
> can not find the name of this part.
> >
> I hope someone else can figure out what you're asking, because without
> pictures I can't. If nobody else replies shoot some pictures or
> reference some manual pages / pictures and I'll try to help.
>
> Guy Buchanan
> Ramona, CA
> Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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I sence a little confusion on the aluminum fuel line size. Hard line is measured
as Outside Diameter (OD). I suspect the aluminum tubing here is 5/16" OD so
fittings would be sized as such. The early kitfox kits I am familiar with came
with 5/16 OD aluminum fuel line.
James, if you change any fittings be sure to check their inside diameter. Some
have a tiny...about 1/8"...ID, especially 1/4 inch fittings.
The only way to be sure if fuel flow is sufficient is to do a flow rate test at
the fuel pump level. Do two. One in level attitude and one with nose high.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334612#334612
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Tom, Thanks for the clarification. I can force 1/4" rubber fuel line on the
aluminum tubing from the header. It is definitely a "force fit"
though, 5/16" OD tubing would make sense.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Tom Jones <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
>
> I sence a little confusion on the aluminum fuel line size. Hard line is
> measured as Outside Diameter (OD). I suspect the aluminum tubing here is
> 5/16" OD so fittings would be sized as such. The early kitfox kits I am
> familiar with came with 5/16 OD aluminum fuel line.
>
> James, if you change any fittings be sure to check their inside diameter.
> Some have a tiny...about 1/8"...ID, especially 1/4 inch fittings.
>
> The only way to be sure if fuel flow is sufficient is to do a flow rate
> test at the fuel pump level. Do two. One in level attitude and one with
> nose high.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334612#334612
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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On 3/21/2011 4:03 AM, WurlyBird wrote:
> Hopefully I can get this sorted out with out too much trouble. thanks for the
help, and here is a picture of the fitting I am talking about.
>
What's interesting is that your previous post talked about "compression"
fittings. Please don't be offended if I'm way off the mark; at the risk
of insulting you I'll tell you that what you photographed is a flare
fitting. A compression fitting uses a sleeve over the tube that gets
"compressed" onto the tube by a nut and female receptacle compressing
the wedges surfaces of the sleeve. In a flare fitting the end of the
tube is flared after a nut and sleeve are put on and the flare simply
rests against the cone you see on your "nipple". You'll need an aircraft
flare fitting to match the AN hardware, as Lynn and Lowell said, as
plumbing hardware is different. Google "flare fitting" and "compression
fitting" and you'll see pictures showing the difference. Hope that helps.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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I just looked it up on WCC site. What a thing to do to a radial...
It'd
look a lot better on the nose of my 'Fox!
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Franz
-
Merlin GT
Sent: March 21, 2011 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radial 2800
On Tue, March 8, 2011 2:42 pm, Marco Menezes wrote:
> Yeah Lowell, but=C2-they=C2-look realllly cool! And, I bet they
sound
> really cool too!=C2-;-)
I agree - sort of like the Harley appeal. Speaking of that, here's a
photo
of what looks to me like a Rotec in a Harley styled MC.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
Office 425.440.9505
425.241.1618 Cell
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as
possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
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Noel, That's the one! I think it looks cooler with the radial in this
position. As cool as it looks I bet on the bike and the Kitfox. You might b
e
wishing for a different power setup to actually fly or ride.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> I just looked it up on WCC site. What a thing to do to a radial... It'd
> look a lot better on the nose of my 'Fox!
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Franz -
> Merlin GT
> Sent: March 21, 2011 8:20 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radial 2800
>
> On Tue, March 8, 2011 2:42 pm, Marco Menezes wrote:
> > Yeah Lowell, but=C2 they=C2 look realllly cool! And, I bet they sound
> > really cool too!=C2 ;-)
>
> I agree - sort of like the Harley appeal. Speaking of that, here's a phot
o
> of what looks to me like a Rotec in a Harley styled MC.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> Office 425.440.9505
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
> In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as
> possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.
> -- Voltaire (1764)
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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