---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/02/11: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:15 PM - Pre-purchase inspection (Jim Feldmann) 2. 02:47 PM - Re: Pre-purchase inspection (b d) 3. 04:11 PM - Re: Pre-purchase inspection (skyflyte@comcast.net) 4. 04:36 PM - Re: Pre-purchase inspection (Jim Feldmann) 5. 04:53 PM - Re: Pre-purchase inspection (kirk hull) 6. 05:13 PM - Re: Pre-purchase inspection (Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky) 7. 05:30 PM - Re: Decisions: Advice please (Patrick Reilly) 8. 05:56 PM - Re: Decisions: Advice please (dave@cfisher.com) 9. 06:21 PM - Re: Pre-purchase inspection (Guy Buchanan) 10. 07:20 PM - Re: Pre-purchase inspection (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk) 11. 08:19 PM - Re: Pre-purchase inspection (Lowell Fitt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:03 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection From: "Jim Feldmann" Although I live in Calif. I have placed a deposit on a Kitfox 5 project in Scarborough, Ontario Canada. The project is complete up to, but not including, the covering stage. Almost all of the assembly so far was done in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an E-AB. I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation. I would like to find a Kitfox builder, preferably in the US (Michigan or New York?) who could check it out for me. Of course I would pay a reasonable fee plus all expenses. Any recommendations? Jim Feldmann Kitfox IV Speedster, lost to prop failure. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335867#335867 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection From: b d What do you consider a "reason fee" ballpark? I need to know if I fit your ball park. How much are you budgeting for prepurchase inspection and for shipping to CA? On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Jim Feldmann wrote: > > > > Although I live in Calif. I have placed a deposit on a Kitfox 5 project in > Scarborough, Ontario Canada. The project is complete up to, but not > including, the covering stage. Almost all of the assembly so far was done > in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an > E-AB. I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my > ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation. > > I would like to find a Kitfox builder, preferably in the US (Michigan or > New York?) who could check it out for me. Of course I would pay a > reasonable fee plus all expenses. > > Any recommendations? > > Jim Feldmann > Kitfox IV Speedster, lost to prop failure. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335867#335867 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:55 PM PST US From: skyflyte@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection =C2-=C2- I would be very careful about this purchase.=C2- When you tr y to register the aircraft you will be required to show that you built the majority (the 50% thing) of the aircraft.=C2- If it only needs covering, I don't think this qualfies.=C2- Check it out with the local FAA folks wh o will inspect the completed airplane.=C2- Otherwise you may be buying so me very expensive yard art. =C2-=C2- Mike =C2-=C2- Model II N490MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "b d" Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2011 5:43:32 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection What do you consider a "reason fee" ballpark? I need to know if I fit your ball park. How much are you budgeting for prepurchase inspection and for shipping to C A? On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Jim Feldmann < feldesign@earthlink.net > wr ote: > Although I live in Calif. I have placed a deposit on a Kitfox 5 project in Scarborough, Ontario Canada. =C2-The project is complete up to, but not i ncluding, the covering stage. =C2-Almost all of the assembly so far was d one in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an E-AB. =C2-I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation. I would like to find a Kitfox builder, preferably in the US (Michigan or Ne w York?) who could check it out for me. =C2-Of course I would pay a reaso nable fee plus all expenses. Any recommendations? Jim Feldmann Kitfox IV Speedster, lost to prop failure. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335867#335867 ist Un/Subscription, www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List" target="_blank">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ===== == ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:51 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Pre-purchase inspection From: "Jim Feldmann" Mike: According to the FAA, I only have to show that 51% of the airplane was built by amateurs. Not that I personally built 51% of it. The limitation is that since I personally didn't build the majority of the airplane, I won't be able to get an inspection authorization for it. Jim -------- Jim Feldmann, 3rd owner 1994 Kitfox IV Speedster / 912 Working on my Sport Pilot Certificate Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335880#335880 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:05 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection I do not believe that is correct. As long as the aircraft has not been registered before you should be good finishing it off. The 51% part can be spread out over mult owners, partners or friends volunteering to help as long as they are not hired help. I would be sure to get any pictures of the build and the builders log if they are available. You can check that with the EAA just to be sure I am not mistaken. I believe they could also point you toward a qualified person to inspect the project. EAA Members Information Line 888-EAA-INFO (322-4636) (Office hours are 8:15 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. Monday-Friday, CST) _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyflyte@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection I would be very careful about this purchase. When you try to register the aircraft you will be required to show that you built the majority (the 50% thing) of the aircraft. If it only needs covering, I don't think this qualfies. Check it out with the local FAA folks who will inspect the completed airplane. Otherwise you may be buying some very expensive yard art. Mike Model II N490MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "b d" Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2011 5:43:32 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection What do you consider a "reason fee" ballpark? I need to know if I fit your ball park. How much are you budgeting for prepurchase inspection and for shipping to CA? On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Jim Feldmann wrote: Although I live in Calif. I have placed a deposit on a Kitfox 5 project in Scarborough, Ontario Canada. The project is complete up to, but not including, the covering stage. Almost all of the assembly so far was done in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an E-AB. I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation. I would like to find a Kitfox builder, preferably in the US (Michigan or New York?) who could check it out for me. Of course I would pay a reasonable fee plus all expenses. Any recommendations? Jim Feldmann Kitfox IV Speedster, lost to prop failure. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335867#335867 ist Un/Subscription, www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:14 PM PST US From: "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection Jim, I think the advice I heard to contact the EAA is excellent advise, if you are a member they will provide allot of help, if you are not, join for $40. You are correct about the 51% rule. As for the question on the Repairmans Certificate, EAA can advise on that as well, they are normally not awarded until the FAA Inspection, at that time you could request it. EAA will also be able to help you with required documents, someone who could inspect and border transfer concerns. Lloyd Cudnohufsky Model 5 Outback 912ul IVO IFA Northern Mi. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Feldmann Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 4:11 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection --> Although I live in Calif. I have placed a deposit on a Kitfox 5 project in Scarborough, Ontario Canada. The project is complete up to, but not including, the covering stage. Almost all of the assembly so far was done in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an E-AB. I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation. I would like to find a Kitfox builder, preferably in the US (Michigan or New York?) who could check it out for me. Of course I would pay a reasonable fee plus all expenses. Any recommendations? Jim Feldmann Kitfox IV Speedster, lost to prop failure. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335867#335867 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Decisions: Advice please From: Patrick Reilly Grant, The 4 can be had in either a 1200# gross or a 1050# gross model as the earlier models. The thru spars are heavier on the 1200 # model. 150# additional gross with no increase in empty weight is a whale of alot more load capacity. Pat Reilly Mod 3 Rebuilt Rockford, IL On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > On 4/1/2011 2:44 PM, Grant Bright wrote: > > For those of you who have or have flown a 2s and 4s, what difference do you > notice? > > > IV is a little faster, say 110 versus 80-90. IV has much better aileron > control at all speeds. II will take off and land shorter / slower. IV will > have somewhat better yaw stability. IV has a baggage area. Otherwise they're > just the same. ;-) > > Guy Buchanan > Ramona, CA > Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded > > > * > > * > > -- Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford,IL ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Decisions: Advice please From: dave@cfisher.com 4 is a better flying than a 2 imo i have over 2000 hours of kitfox time alone. Dave ps light weight planes rule over the tanks that some have built > Grant, The 4 can be had in either a 1200# gross or a 1050# gross model as > the earlier models. The thru spars are heavier on the 1200 # model. 150# > additional gross with no increase in empty weight is a whale of alot more > load capacity. > > Pat Reilly > Mod 3 Rebuilt > Rockford, IL > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > >> On 4/1/2011 2:44 PM, Grant Bright wrote: >> >> For those of you who have or have flown a 2s and 4s, what difference do >> you >> notice? >> >> >> IV is a little faster, say 110 versus 80-90. IV has much better aileron >> control at all speeds. II will take off and land shorter / slower. IV >> will >> have somewhat better yaw stability. IV has a baggage area. Otherwise >> they're >> just the same. ;-) >> >> Guy Buchanan >> Ramona, CA >> Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > Pat Reilly > Mod 3 582 Rebuild > Rockford,IL > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:44 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection On 4/2/2011 2:11 PM, Jim Feldmann wrote: > The project is complete up to, but not including, the covering stage. Almost all of the assembly so far was done in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an E-AB. I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation. > Jim, Would you be interested in a lot of extraneous advice and caution? Or would you prefer to just have your question answered? Of course I'd love to go do the inspection, but coming from San Diego that would probably be a little expensive for you. Lowell's in Central California and Mark's in Idaho, a little closer, but probably still farther than you'd want to pay. I'm concerned with your two statements above and what you intend to do with this airplane, but I'll stick with your original question for now. Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:50 PM PST US From: Jim_and_Lucy Chuk Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection A friend of mine bought an Avid Flyer from a widow that was covered and spr ayed with the silver UV coats. No firwall forward or instruments were comp leted though. He didn't get any paperwork with the plane=2C but the widow did sign an afidavid attesting that she was the legal owner and able to tra nsfer ownership to him. He had no problem getting the plane registered EAB . He was even able to get the repairman's certificate. The FAA guy was go ing to turn him down=2C and then they got to talking about his other buildi ng experience and he ended up walking out the door with the repairman's cer t. in his pocket. If you built your other plane or did major work on it =2C don't forget to bring that up durring the repairman's cert. interview. You might get it also. Take care=2C Jim Chuk Avid MK IV (flying) K itfox 4 (building---might start the engine by Monday!!) Northern Mn > From: 7suds@Chartermi.net > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection > Date: Sat=2C 2 Apr 2011 19:10:58 -0500 > artermi.net> > > Jim=2C > I think the advice I heard to contact the EAA is excellent advise=2C if y ou > are a member they will provide allot of help=2C if you are not=2C join fo r $40. > You are correct about the 51% rule. As for the question on the Repairmans > Certificate=2C EAA can advise on that as well=2C they are normally not aw arded > until the FAA Inspection=2C at that time you could request it. EAA will a lso > be able to help you with required documents=2C someone who could inspect and > border transfer concerns. > > Lloyd Cudnohufsky > Model 5 Outback 912ul IVO IFA > Northern Mi. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Feldmann > Sent: Saturday=2C April 02=2C 2011 4:11 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection > > --> > > Although I live in Calif. I have placed a deposit on a Kitfox 5 project i n > Scarborough=2C Ontario Canada. The project is complete up to=2C but not > including=2C the covering stage. Almost all of the assembly so far was do ne > in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here=2C as an > E-AB. I am not an experienced homebuilder=2C so I am not confident in my > ability to evaluate the airplane=2C or the included documentation. > > I would like to find a Kitfox builder=2C preferably in the US (Michigan o r New > York?) who could check it out for me. Of course I would pay a reasonable > fee plus all expenses. > > Any recommendations? > > Jim Feldmann > Kitfox IV Speedster=2C lost to prop failure. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335867#335867 > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:37 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection Jim, Lots of good advice. I am finishing a Model IV started by another. It was essentially as you describe the V you are interested in - ready for cover. I am submitting this observation. The 90% rule is a real fact - 90% done and 90% to go, as we all say. What I have done to my ready to cover project is run the wires for the lights in the wings and tail as well as the trim servo. Covered all and rib stitched all flying surfaces. Fitted and modified the cowl and wingtips. Fabric coated, painted, masked and painted. Installed the panel and wiring. Installed the fuel system and on and on and not done yet. I fully expect to receive the Repairman Certificate as there is much more work during and after covering than preparing the various parts for covering. I am also helping a friend with a V. If you are concerned with the Repairman Certificate, I could suggest doing what he is doing. put a couple of flat panel displays in your instrument panel. That alone will add another 90% to your project ;-) . Lowell -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Feldmann" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Pre-purchase inspection > > > Although I live in Calif. I have placed a deposit on a Kitfox 5 project in > Scarborough, Ontario Canada. The project is complete up to, but not > including, the covering stage. Almost all of the assembly so far was done > in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an > E-AB. I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my > ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation. > > I would like to find a Kitfox builder, preferably in the US (Michigan or > New York?) who could check it out for me. Of course I would pay a > reasonable fee plus all expenses. > > Any recommendations? > > Jim Feldmann > Kitfox IV Speedster, lost to prop failure. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335867#335867 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.