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michael.logan1(at)verizon wrote:
> Pete,
>
> I was one of the five guys that stopped and talked to you, Rich and Mary
> Jane on Saturday night before the start of Sun-n-Fun. I am very glad that
> your plane survived the big storm. I got to see most of the planes that
> were damaged that afternoon and you are very lucky indeed.
>
> It seems that most of the planes that survived had the Claw tie downs. I
> did not see any Claws pulled out but many screw in tie downs were hanging on
> the end of their ropes for all to see. I will have a Claw tie down system
> ordered very soon.
>
> Mike Logan
>
> --
Mike you are right -- I would say that the improper securing of aircraft certainly
contributed to some of the damages.
Dog -screw in are junk - I banned from my strip as well as those idiotic 1" wide
straps or ropes with a tensile of less that 1000 lbs each.
I have others that tie down here have planes break free-- luckily no damage to
other aircraft just their own.
I agree that I saw alot of tiedowns still attached to the aircraft at Sun N Fun.........
The Claw in my opinion would have helped some of them.
The KF 3 is pretty well destroyed-- it was ties to a casting that likely weighed
less than 100 lbs........ each. A Kitfox 3 will lift 1050 legally and likely
2000 lbs before starting to distort. that would need 600 lbs each to hold it
down. - at least
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 04/05/11 |
I was camped in the light plane/ultralight area, fourth space from the flight
line in front of the four porta potties.
The M-Squared ultralight that "flew" over a hundred yards in the storm and took
out that much of the flight line fence,
had the claw tie down anchors, I noticed one of them was missing a leg, it had
broke off.
The porta potties were only about fifty feet in front of my tent and I was directly
down wind and in the path of the blue
stuff, tent flattened and canopy frame twisted like a pretzel, some damage to my
van but have no complaints, many lost
aircraft and it's my understanding that many were uninsured.
My camp mate who built and flies a Bearhawk, had his airplane moved into a hangar
just minutes before the storm hit,
the next day, one of the air ops volunteers marshalled him right into another running
aircraft that chewed up the outer
rib bay of his wing!#@$#%!
John Butcher
On Apr 6, 2011, at 1:59 AM, Kitfox-List Digest Server wrote:
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> 1. 04:31 AM - Re: Carbon Kitfox Crafters (WurlyBird)
> 2. 12:22 PM - Re: Sun n fun (Dr Jones)
> 3. 01:43 PM - Re: Sun n fun (Michael Logan)
> 4. 01:51 PM - Re: Sun n fun (Pete Christensen)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:31:56 AM PST US
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Carbon Kitfox Crafters
> From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
>
> If I am not mistaken my panel is bolted directly to those mounts.
>
> So in an attempt to make a blank for my panel I used a mirror as the mold and
layed
> up a beefy panel of one sheet carbon/Kevlar and two sheets of carbon. I then
> made a kiln of sorts out of pink insulating foam sheet and powered by a heat
> gun. It worked great and the panel was 140-160* every time I checked it. Problem
> is the mirror broke from the heat. I will see whether it damaged the blank
> when I pull it all apart later. Here's hoping.
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336154#336154
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:22:20 PM PST US
> From: "Dr Jones" <bjones@dmv.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun n fun
>
> I asked some folks in Paradise City the ultra kite tie down area if there
> were any lessons to be learned about tie down equipment and technique.
> The usual various failures popped up. Straps came lose or broke, tie down
> screw ins came out. Plus planes, trailers, and junk blew into or onto secure
> aircraft.
> One operator said they always use a power auger to implant their tie downs
> but did not tie down their trailer which was both tipped over onto a picnic
> table and was both gouged and caved in by a lose plane.
> I'd love to read a review done by the oil of contract insurance adjusters,
> EAA or some one who got a good look at the weak links.
> BJ
> Kitfox IV 912
>
> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Pete Christensen <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 22:16:30 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun n fun
>
> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>
> Lowell,
>
> I saw the screw in's pull out most in the wet sandy soil. I had a Claw. I
> was on hi ground. An RV was upwind from me and probably slowed the wind
> down some. My gear was sprung in showing that it had lifted up against the
> tiedowns. I plan to make longer spikes for my Claws.
>
> Pete
>
> On 4/3/2011 4:58 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
>>
>> Pete,
>>
>> As I looked at the devastation in the slide shows, I couldn't help > think
> of the seeming randomness of the damage. It made me wonder what > types of
> tiedowns the survivors used and if tiedown method was a > factor in who
> escaped damage or was not so fortunate. What were you > using and do you
> have any idea what the Avid and Cub were using?
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 12:46 PM
>> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun n fun
>>
> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>>>
>>> My Kitfox III, parked in the, HB Camping was spared, while an Avid >> in
> front and a Cub next to me were wrecked. My tent was flattened.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>> Leander, TX, Kitfox III, 912, Grove.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/31/2011 6:46 PM, dave@cfisher.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was there today. massive damage
>>>>
>>>> I saw one Kitfox 2 or 3 bent to hell and in half.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> dozens of planes destroyed.
>>>>
>>>> will post pics and movies soon.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:43:27 PM PST US
> From: "Michael Logan" <michael.logan1@verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Sun n fun
>
>
> Pete,
>
> I was one of the five guys that stopped and talked to you, Rich and Mary
> Jane on Saturday night before the start of Sun-n-Fun. I am very glad that
> your plane survived the big storm. I got to see most of the planes that
> were damaged that afternoon and you are very lucky indeed.
>
> It seems that most of the planes that survived had the Claw tie downs. I
> did not see any Claws pulled out but many screw in tie downs were hanging on
> the end of their ropes for all to see. I will have a Claw tie down system
> ordered very soon.
>
> Mike Logan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
> Christensen
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun n fun
>
> <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
>
> My Kitfox III, parked in the, HB Camping was spared, while an Avid in
> front and a Cub next to me were wrecked. My tent was flattened.
>
> Pete
> Leander, TX, Kitfox III, 912, Grove.
>
>
> On 3/31/2011 6:46 PM, dave@cfisher.com wrote:
>>
>> I was there today. massive damage
>>
>> I saw one Kitfox 2 or 3 bent to hell and in half.
>>
>>
>> dozens of planes destroyed.
>>
>> will post pics and movies soon.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:51:10 PM PST US
> From: Pete Christensen <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Sun n fun
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I plan to get longer spikes for my "Claws". I lucked out. My spikes
> were raised slightly and I could pull most of them out by hand. Sandy
> wet soil looses 1/2 the strength of any tie down.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 4/5/2011 3:40 PM, Michael Logan wrote:
>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Michael Logan"<michael.logan1@verizon.net>
>>
>> Pete,
>>
>> I was one of the five guys that stopped and talked to you, Rich and Mary
>> Jane on Saturday night before the start of Sun-n-Fun. I am very glad that
>> your plane survived the big storm. I got to see most of the planes that
>> were damaged that afternoon and you are very lucky indeed.
>>
>> It seems that most of the planes that survived had the Claw tie downs. I
>> did not see any Claws pulled out but many screw in tie downs were hanging on
>> the end of their ropes for all to see. I will have a Claw tie down system
>> ordered very soon.
>>
>> Mike Logan
>>
>
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