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1. 04:23 AM - Re: Low Fuel Sensor (fox5flyer)
2. 10:53 AM - Re: Low Fuel Sensor (Lloyd Eggstaff)
3. 12:44 PM - Re: Low Fuel Sensor (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
4. 01:24 PM - Re: Low Fuel Sensor (Lloyd Eggstaff)
5. 01:53 PM - Re: Low Fuel Sensor (Noel Loveys)
6. 02:04 PM - Re: Low Fuel Sensor (Lloyd Eggstaff)
7. 04:28 PM - Re: Low Fuel Sensor (Roger Lee)
8. 05:14 PM - Tire pressure (Patrick Reilly)
9. 06:39 PM - Re: Tire pressure (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
10. 07:21 PM - Re: Tire pressure (WurlyBird)
11. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Tire pressure (Robert Taylor)
12. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: Tire pressure (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor |
Lloyd, I'm not sure if yours is the same one, but one of our members
several years ago had a similar problem with his sensor. The tip
appears to be some sort of acrylic and when he had a problem and pulled
it out to inspect it he found that the tip had softened up as if it had
a torch taken to it. It melted to the point that it came out in a long
string. Yours looks like the same one, but I'm working from memory and
I'm not absolutely sure on that. It seems that this was before alcohol
was being used regularly and as I recall, it was thought that other
additives in the fuel may have caused it.
http://www.mooseindustrialsurplus.com/images/000_3290.jpg
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
Previously Model 2 582 400 Hrs
'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government
but doesn't have to take the civil service examination. ' - Ronald
Reagan
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor |
Ethonal completly melted my sensor. Using avgas now and no problem.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 1:16 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
>
> Lloyd, I'm not sure if yours is the same one, but one of our members
> several years ago had a similar problem with his sensor. The tip appears to
> be some sort of acrylic and when he had a problem and pulled it out to
> inspect it he found that the tip had softened up as if it had a torch taken
> to it. It melted to the point that it came out in a long string. Yours
> looks like the same one, but I'm working from memory and I'm not absolutely
> sure on that. It seems that this was before alcohol was being used
> regularly and as I recall, it was thought that other additives in the fuel
> may have caused it.
> http://www.mooseindustrialsurplus.com/images/000_3290.jpg
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> Previously Model 2 582 400 Hrs
> 'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government
> but doesn't have to take the civil service examination. ' - Ronald
> Reagan
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This may or may not apply. A few years ago I was using some non oxigenated
(no alcohol) Premium mogas with Justus Brother's octane booster in it. Wa
s supposed to raise the octane about 5 points. Anyway I was wondering if t
hat would affect my fiberglass tanks. I had a tall plastic bottle that I u
sed for testing fuel for alcohol and so I dropped some fiberglass pieces in
to the bottle and filled it up with the gas. Over night the bottle was sof
tening up to the point where the fuel started to leak out near the bottom o
f the bottle. Didn't seem to hurt the fiberglass=2C but the bottle I had u
sed lots of other times to check for alcohol was ruined by this stuff. Nev
er used that gas again. Take care=2C Jim Chuk Avid MK IV (flying) Kitfo
x 4 (building) northern Mn
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low Fuel Sensor
From: lloydeggstaff@gmail.com
Ethonal completly melted my sensor. Using avgas now and no problem.
On Sun=2C Apr 10=2C 2011 at 1:16 AM=2C fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
wrote:
Lloyd=2C I'm not sure if yours is the same one=2C but one of our members se
veral years ago had a similar problem with his sensor. The tip appears to
be some sort of acrylic and when he had a problem and pulled it out to insp
ect it he found that the tip had softened up as if it had a torch taken to
it. It melted to the point that it came out in a long string. Yours looks
like the same one=2C but I'm working from memory and I'm not absolutely su
re on that. It seems that this was before alcohol was being used regularly
and as I recall=2C it was thought that other additives in the fuel may hav
e caused it.
http://www.mooseindustrialsurplus.com/images/000_3290.jpg
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
Previously Model 2 582 400 Hrs
'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government
but doesn't have to take the civil service examination. ' - Ronald Reaga
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor |
The only mogas that's available without ethonal here in Hawaii is 89 octane.
It was made available for people who had trouble with fiberglass tanks in
boats. I used it for awhile in my Rotax 912 but put an octane booster in
it. Either something that was in the gas to begin with or the booster
started to soften my tanks and I ended up with sticky intake valves. (Not
good.) I now only use avgas. As for the sticky valves. I was ready to send
the heads in to be repaired when a friend told me about Aero Kroil. Amazing
stuff! I removed the valve covers and intake manifolds and soaked the valve
stem area letting it set over night. It took 2 or 3 times doing this but no
more sticking valves.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe@hotmail.com>wrote:
> This may or may not apply. A few years ago I was using some non oxigenated
> (no alcohol) Premium mogas with Justus Brother's octane booster in it. Was
> supposed to raise the octane about 5 points. Anyway I was wondering if that
> would affect my fiberglass tanks. I had a tall plastic bottle that I used
> for testing fuel for alcohol and so I dropped some fiberglass pieces into
> the bottle and filled it up with the gas. Over night the bottle was
> softening up to the point where the fuel started to leak out near the bottom
> of the bottle. Didn't seem to hurt the fiberglass, but the bottle I had
> used lots of other times to check for alcohol was ruined by this stuff.
> Never used that gas again. Take care, Jim Chuk Avid MK IV (flying)
> Kitfox 4 (building) northern Mn
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:51:16 -1000
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low Fuel Sensor
> From: lloydeggstaff@gmail.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Ethonal completly melted my sensor. Using avgas now and no problem.
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 1:16 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>wrote:
>
>
> Lloyd, I'm not sure if yours is the same one, but one of our members
> several years ago had a similar problem with his sensor. The tip appears to
> be some sort of acrylic and when he had a problem and pulled it out to
> inspect it he found that the tip had softened up as if it had a torch taken
> to it. It melted to the point that it came out in a long string. Yours
> looks like the same one, but I'm working from memory and I'm not absolutely
> sure on that. It seems that this was before alcohol was being used
> regularly and as I recall, it was thought that other additives in the fuel
> may have caused it.
> http://www.mooseindustrialsurplus.com/images/000_3290.jpg
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> Previously Model 2 582 400 Hrs
> 'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government
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> Reagan
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First of all I haven't heard of let alone seen an aftermarket octane booster
that actually works as advertised. And I'm always looking because my early
Miata pings like (never mind what) on low octane fuel. The second thing is
ethanol has an RON of 116 I wonder if it is reasonable to assume that most
octane boosters are either ethanol or some other alcohol.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim_and_Lucy
Chuk
Sent: April 10, 2011 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Low Fuel Sensor
This may or may not apply. A few years ago I was using some non oxigenated
(no alcohol) Premium mogas with Justus Brother's octane booster in it. Was
supposed to raise the octane about 5 points. Anyway I was wondering if that
would affect my fiberglass tanks. I had a tall plastic bottle that I used
for testing fuel for alcohol and so I dropped some fiberglass pieces into
the bottle and filled it up with the gas. Over night the bottle was
softening up to the point where the fuel started to leak out near the bottom
of the bottle. Didn't seem to hurt the fiberglass, but the bottle I had
used lots of other times to check for alcohol was ruined by this stuff.
Never used that gas again. Take care, Jim Chuk Avid MK IV (flying)
Kitfox 4 (building) northern Mn
_____
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low Fuel Sensor
From: lloydeggstaff@gmail.com
Ethonal completly melted my sensor. Using avgas now and no problem.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 1:16 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net> wrote:
Lloyd, I'm not sure if yours is the same one, but one of our members several
years ago had a similar problem with his sensor. The tip appears to be some
sort of acrylic and when he had a problem and pulled it out to inspect it he
found that the tip had softened up as if it had a torch taken to it. It
melted to the point that it came out in a long string. Yours looks like the
same one, but I'm working from memory and I'm not absolutely sure on that.
It seems that this was before alcohol was being used regularly and as I
recall, it was thought that other additives in the fuel may have caused it.
http://www.mooseindustrialsurplus.com/images/000_3290.jpg
Deke Morisse
Mikado Michigan
S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
Previously Model 2 582 400 Hrs
'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government
but doesn't have to take the civil service examination. ' - Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor |
I suspect alcohol or ethanol to be in after market boosters. No ingredients
listed on the label.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> First of all I haven=92t heard of let alone seen an aftermarket octane
> booster that actually works as advertised. And I=92m always looking beca
use
> my early Miata pings like (never mind what) on low octane fuel. The seco
nd
> thing is ethanol has an RON of 116 I wonder if it is reasonable to assume
> that most octane boosters are either ethanol or some other alcohol.
>
>
> Noel
>
>
> *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim_and_Lucy Chuk
> *Sent:* April 10, 2011 5:10 PM
> *To:* kitfox list
> *Subject:* RE: Kitfox-List: Low Fuel Sensor
>
>
> This may or may not apply. A few years ago I was using some non oxigenat
ed
> (no alcohol) Premium mogas with Justus Brother's octane booster in it. W
as
> supposed to raise the octane about 5 points. Anyway I was wondering if t
hat
> would affect my fiberglass tanks. I had a tall plastic bottle that I use
d
> for testing fuel for alcohol and so I dropped some fiberglass pieces into
> the bottle and filled it up with the gas. Over night the bottle was
> softening up to the point where the fuel started to leak out near the bot
tom
> of the bottle. Didn't seem to hurt the fiberglass, but the bottle I had
> used lots of other times to check for alcohol was ruined by this stuff.
> Never used that gas again. Take care, Jim Chuk Avid MK IV (flying)
> Kitfox 4 (building) northern Mn
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:51:16 -1000
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Low Fuel Sensor
> From: lloydeggstaff@gmail.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>
> Ethonal completly melted my sensor. Using avgas now and no problem.
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 1:16 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Lloyd, I'm not sure if yours is the same one, but one of our members
> several years ago had a similar problem with his sensor. The tip appears
to
> be some sort of acrylic and when he had a problem and pulled it out to
> inspect it he found that the tip had softened up as if it had a torch tak
en
> to it. It melted to the point that it came out in a long string. Yours
> looks like the same one, but I'm working from memory and I'm not absolute
ly
> sure on that. It seems that this was before alcohol was being used
> regularly and as I recall, it was thought that other additives in the fue
l
> may have caused it.
>
> http://www.mooseindustrialsurplus.com/images/000_3290.jpg
>
>
> Deke Morisse
> Mikado Michigan
> S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT
> Previously Model 2 582 400 Hrs
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> but doesn't have to take the civil service examination. ' - Ronald
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| Subject: | Re: Low Fuel Sensor |
Hi Guys,
Noel is correct. If you can't run gasoline with ethanol then don't use the octane
boosters in your tanks. Many are ethanol or methanol. Methanol is not as bad.
He's also right that they really don't do a very good job on boosting. The
5 point claims are usually very generous to say the least, you may actually see
1-2 point gain. The gain is small. Studies pretty much bare all this out. People
that race that use booster are at a level above what we are doing.
The assortment of chemicals in boosters, including but not limited to ethanol,
glycerol, toluene and methylpropanol, all of which are highly-combustible and
result in increased octane. Toluene-laden fuels burn slower and make less power
on high-revving engines.
Add too much of an octane booster and it will start to reduce your horse power.
Octane boosters are better to help prevent detonation and for the most part a
waste of money for the everyday engine. If you need to have a higher octane for
a Rotax then buy fresh 91 oct. and get rid of the old gas that has lost a little
octane from sitting 6 months.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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Kitfoxers, I have Lowell Fitt's bush gear with Nanco 21"x12"x8" tires on
aluminum rims with tubes. What tire pressure should I run? The bush gear is
tough, but those die springs are stiff with very little travel. I'd like to
get as much added suspension out of the tires as possible without spinning a
tire on the rim.
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Tire pressure |
On Sun, April 10, 2011 5:11 pm, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Kitfoxers, I have Lowell Fitt's bush gear with Nanco 21"x12"x8" tires on
> aluminum rims with tubes. What tire pressure should I run? The bush gear is
> tough, but those die springs are stiff with very little travel. I'd like to
> get as much added suspension out of the tires as possible without spinning a
> tire on the rim.
Tires that big are for landing in rough stuff. To get the most out of that you
want
the pressure as low as possible. Probably air them with no weight on the tires
to 15
to 20 psi when the tires are warm. Then after they sit for a while and stretch
out
with that high pressure in them, let out all the air and immediately put the valves
back in. That should be about right. If you find that they slip loose from the
rims,
add just a little air. Probably less than 3 psi. There is some compromise here,
with
that low pressure you shorten your landing roll and can take harder hits from the
rocks and other bumps but you will also lengthen your takeoff roll, especially
on
pavement.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
Office 425.440.9505
425.241.1618 Cell
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible
from
one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
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| Subject: | Re: Tire pressure |
I have the Nanco tires as well and have found that about 8 lbs indicated on my
dial is working good as a compromise for taking off on asphalt and then landing
wherever. My issue is I have not been able to find a good pressure gauge for
this range. Any one have a good suggestion of where to find a gauge the is
indicating clearly between 0 and 10 lbs?
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
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| Subject: | Re: Tire pressure |
Your local off-road motorcycle dealer should have such a gauge. ATV tires
are often inflated to less than 10 pounds.
Bob Taylor
TigerCub N657RT
--------------------------------------------------
From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:18 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire pressure
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> I have the Nanco tires as well and have found that about 8 lbs indicated
> on my dial is working good as a compromise for taking off on asphalt and
> then landing wherever. My issue is I have not been able to find a good
> pressure gauge for this range. Any one have a good suggestion of where to
> find a gauge the is indicating clearly between 0 and 10 lbs?
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Tire pressure |
I've had a set of these tires on my Avid MK IV and found that if I tried to
run them at much less than 8 lbs=2C they would leak around the bead. I en
ded up putting tubes in them to overcome this=2C but had one tire spin on t
he rim on blacktop runway and it cut the valve stem off the tube. I've hea
rd there is some type of bead sealer the 4 wheeler guys use for running tir
es at low pressure=2C but have never used it myself. Take care=2C Jim Chu
k Avid MK IV (flying0 Kitfox 4 (building) Northern Mn
> From: Flydad57@neo.rr.com
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire pressure
> Date: Sun=2C 10 Apr 2011 23:01:59 -0400
>
>
> Your local off-road motorcycle dealer should have such a gauge. ATV tires
> are often inflated to less than 10 pounds.
>
> Bob Taylor
> TigerCub N657RT
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
> Sent: Sunday=2C April 10=2C 2011 10:18 PM
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire pressure
>
> > <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
> >
> > I have the Nanco tires as well and have found that about 8 lbs indicate
d
> > on my dial is working good as a compromise for taking off on asphalt an
d
> > then landing wherever. My issue is I have not been able to find a good
> > pressure gauge for this range. Any one have a good suggestion of where
to
> > find a gauge the is indicating clearly between 0 and 10 lbs?
> >
> > --------
> > James
> > Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70"=3B IVO 2 blade GA
> > 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments=2C
> > now she lies in wait
> >
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