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1. 05:03 AM - Re: Tire pressure (Catz631@aol.com)
2. 05:35 AM - Re: tire pressure (Jack L Bell)
3. 12:04 PM - Model IV Speedster Extensions (Dwayne McCourt)
4. 01:56 PM - Re: Decisions: Advice please (Grant Bright)
5. 03:27 PM - Re: Decisions: Advice please (Jose M. Toro)
6. 04:11 PM - Re: Decisions: Advice please (Patrick Reilly)
7. 04:25 PM - Re: tire pressure (Patrick Reilly)
8. 04:36 PM - Re: Tire pressure (Patrick Reilly)
9. 04:58 PM - Re: tire pressure (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
10. 05:15 PM - Re: tire pressure (Patrick Reilly)
11. 05:58 PM - Re: tire pressure (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
12. 06:27 PM - Re: Tire pressure (dave)
13. 10:12 PM - Re: tire pressure (Dwayne McCourt)
14. 10:59 PM - Re: Decisions: Advice please (Guy Buchanan)
15. 11:01 PM - Re: tire pressure (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
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| Subject: | Re: Tire pressure |
Paul and Pat,
I operate off of grass and pavement. I find it easier to turn on the
grass with a little more air pressure (ie;aprox 10 lbs)
My tires were installed on the rims with rim adhesive which helps hold
the tires to the rims and help to prevent air loss,although I still have to
top up from time to time.
Prior posts on this site (about a year ago) had mentioned shearing of the
inflation valve with movement of the tire on the rim and that is why I use
10 lbs of pressure ,as recommended by the posters. This has worked well
for me.
Dick Maddux
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
I did all of my training in a Kitfox I on pavement.
I did find that lower tire pressure made a world of difference
in landings, and I also wore out a set of tires fairly
quickly. I found replacement carlisle tires at the local
tractor supply, and had them mounted at a lawnmower
repair shop.
The original builder of the plane had drilled the lip of the rim
and used a short, maybe #12 stainless metal screw in three places,
which ran into, not through, the bead of the tire. Rather than
explain, I took the screws out before having the tire mounted,
and put them back in myself. Never spun the tire, even when
I landed with a flat (I hate mesquite thorns!).
And, yes, I always run tubes.
-Jack
Austin, TX
Avid MK IV, Jabiru 22AX01 (flying)
Avid Catalina Hirth F30 (building)
>
>
> Time: 08:40:12 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tire pressure
> From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
> On Mon, April 11, 2011 4:40 pm, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> > Dick, I am on the grass and dirt and used 5 1/2 # today successfully. I will
> > increase the pressure to 9 or 10 pounds if I am going to land on a paved
> > runway to avoid spinning a tire on the rim. Thanks for the advice.
>
> I have a couple of thoughts on this.
>
> 1) Are rim locks like the ones used on motocross bikes feasible and available?
>
> 2) The maximum possible braking effort is reduced with larger diameter tires
compared
> to the same brakes with smaller diameter tires. If the wheels are also larger,
> then
> the shear stress is reduced (the stress that causes the tire to slip on the wheel)
> so
> this would also contribute to a lower tire pressure required.
>
> 3) Isn't it true that the biggest risk of slipping the tire on the wheel is hard
> braking on a surface the tire can't slide on? And aren't runways that are paved
> mostly
> so long you don't need to use the brakes at all?
>
> 4) I accidentally deleted the e-mail but didn't someone suggest some kind of
an
> available guard so that the inner tube can't slip or something protects the valve
> stem
> from shearing off?
>
> 5) I assume that large low pressure tires require innertubes.
>
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> Office 425.440.9505
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
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| Subject: | Model IV Speedster Extensions |
Would someone please email me the plans for the Model IV Speedster wing extensions????
I have a nice 912 Speedster which I hope to add the wing extensions and
fat tires............. any help with either would be appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Decisions: Advice please |
Thanks to Guy, and Dave, and others... for your comments.
I am narrowing it down ... the economy is certainly a factor
... looks like a KF2 may be the answer.
Is the grayhead 582 and its gearbox the good one? I think I
have read the blue head is later/better...but gray is what I
am looking at.
The one I am looking at has the Ducati ignition ...
alternator size is not known, but it will run the vhf radio
and wing tip strobes.
Since Ducati has been around a long time ... I am guessing
these systems are reliable?
Thanks, Grant
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| Subject: | Re: Decisions: Advice please |
Grant:=0A=0AI had a KF II with a gray head.- I was extremely pleased with
the performance.- =0AShort takeoff and landing, and 70 mph cruise.-How
ever, when it was time for =0Arecovering, I decided to sell it (to a friend
of mine).- I'm glad my friend let =0Ame fly it.- I still love this pla
ne, specially the folding wings.- =0A=0A=0AJose Toro=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______
__________________________=0AFrom: Grant Bright <grantbright@att.net>=0ATo:
kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, April 12, 2011 4:53:49 PM=0ASubject
: Re: Kitfox-List: Decisions: Advice please=0A=0A--> Kitfox-List message po
sted by: "Grant Bright" <grantbright@att.net>=0A=0AThanks to Guy, and Dave,
and others... for your comments.=0A=0AI am narrowing it down ... the econo
my is certainly a factor ... looks like a =0AKF2 may be the answer.=0A=0AIs
the grayhead 582 and its gearbox the good one? I think I have read the blu
e =0Ahead is later/better...but gray is what I am looking at.=0A=0AThe one
I am looking at has the Ducati ignition ... alternator size is not =0Aknown
, but it will run the vhf radio and wing tip strobes.=0A=0ASince Ducati has
been around a long time ... I am guessing these systems are =0Areliable?
========================
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| Subject: | Re: Decisions: Advice please |
Grant, I have a mod 3 with 582 grey head with 135 hrs on it. I bought the
engine FWF with 100 hrs on it to put in the plane. The plane had been hit by
a car and the original Rotax 912 engine had been sold. The 582 with the C
box that I have is alot of bang for the buck. Very reliable setup and good
performance. I haven't flown any other Kitfox so maybe I don't have valid
opinion but, again, I think the 582 with a C box is a good Kitfox power
source through mod 4.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Jose M. Toro <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Grant:
>
> I had a KF II with a gray head. I was extremely pleased with the
> performance. Short takeoff and landing, and 70 mph cruise. However, when it
> was time for recovering, I decided to sell it (to a friend of mine). I'm
> glad my friend let me fly it. I still love this plane, specially the
> folding wings.
>
> Jose Toro
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Grant Bright <grantbright@att.net>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, April 12, 2011 4:53:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Decisions: Advice please
>
>
> Thanks to Guy, and Dave, and others... for your comments.
>
> I am narrowing it down ... the economy is certainly a factor ... looks like
> a KF2 may be the answer.
>
> Is the grayhead 582 and its gearbox the good one? I think I have read the
> blue head is later/better...but gray is what I am looking at.
>
> The one I am looking at has the Ducati ignition ... alternator size is not
> known, but it will run the vhf radio and wing tip strobes.
>
> Since Ducati has been around a long time ... I am guessing these systems
> are reliable?
>
> Thanks, Grant
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
Jack, I was considering putting screws in the bead. I have seen that done on
dirt bikes. I will do it to my Nanco tires. Wonder if I can do it with out
dismounting the tire. I guess it would be easy to stop short of drilling all
the way thru and run a sheet metal screw in. You didn't state what pressure
you ran in the tires.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt.
Rockford,IL
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Jack L Bell <jack@comconn.com> wrote:
>
>
> I did all of my training in a Kitfox I on pavement.
> I did find that lower tire pressure made a world of difference
> in landings, and I also wore out a set of tires fairly
> quickly. I found replacement carlisle tires at the local
> tractor supply, and had them mounted at a lawnmower
> repair shop.
>
> The original builder of the plane had drilled the lip of the rim
> and used a short, maybe #12 stainless metal screw in three places,
> which ran into, not through, the bead of the tire. Rather than
> explain, I took the screws out before having the tire mounted,
> and put them back in myself. Never spun the tire, even when
> I landed with a flat (I hate mesquite thorns!).
>
> And, yes, I always run tubes.
>
> -Jack
> Austin, TX
> Avid MK IV, Jabiru 22AX01 (flying)
> Avid Catalina Hirth F30 (building)
>
>
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:40:12 PM PST US
> > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Tire pressure
> > From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul@eucleides.com>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, April 11, 2011 4:40 pm, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> > > Dick, I am on the grass and dirt and used 5 1/2 # today successfully. I
> will
> > > increase the pressure to 9 or 10 pounds if I am going to land on a
> paved
> > > runway to avoid spinning a tire on the rim. Thanks for the advice.
> >
> > I have a couple of thoughts on this.
> >
> > 1) Are rim locks like the ones used on motocross bikes feasible and
> available?
> >
> > 2) The maximum possible braking effort is reduced with larger diameter
> tires compared
> > to the same brakes with smaller diameter tires. If the wheels are also
> larger,
> > then
> > the shear stress is reduced (the stress that causes the tire to slip on
> the wheel)
> > so
> > this would also contribute to a lower tire pressure required.
> >
> > 3) Isn't it true that the biggest risk of slipping the tire on the wheel
> is hard
> > braking on a surface the tire can't slide on? And aren't runways that are
> paved
> > mostly
> > so long you don't need to use the brakes at all?
> >
> > 4) I accidentally deleted the e-mail but didn't someone suggest some kind
> of an
> > available guard so that the inner tube can't slip or something protects
> the valve
> > stem
> > from shearing off?
> >
> > 5) I assume that large low pressure tires require innertubes.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Paul A. Franz
> > Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> > Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> > Bellevue WA
> > Office 425.440.9505
> > 425.241.1618 Cell
> >
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Tire pressure |
Paul, IIt appears all of your suppositions are correct. I think the tube
valves can be ripped off no matter what precautions you take if the tire
spins on the rim. Thanks for reminding me that the braking force the brakes
exert is less with the larger tires. My brakes work fine, but they would be
more powerful with smaller tires. Rim locks that are used on dirt bikes
could work. But, screws thru the rim into the bead are as effective and much
easier to install.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT <paul@eucleides.com
> wrote:
> paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Mon, April 11, 2011 4:40 pm, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> > Dick, I am on the grass and dirt and used 5 1/2 # today successfully. I
> will
> > increase the pressure to 9 or 10 pounds if I am going to land on a paved
> > runway to avoid spinning a tire on the rim. Thanks for the advice.
>
> I have a couple of thoughts on this.
>
> 1) Are rim locks like the ones used on motocross bikes feasible and
> available?
>
> 2) The maximum possible braking effort is reduced with larger diameter
> tires compared
> to the same brakes with smaller diameter tires. If the wheels are also
> larger, then
> the shear stress is reduced (the stress that causes the tire to slip on the
> wheel) so
> this would also contribute to a lower tire pressure required.
>
> 3) Isn't it true that the biggest risk of slipping the tire on the wheel is
> hard
> braking on a surface the tire can't slide on? And aren't runways that are
> paved mostly
> so long you don't need to use the brakes at all?
>
> 4) I accidentally deleted the e-mail but didn't someone suggest some kind
> of an
> available guard so that the inner tube can't slip or something protects the
> valve stem
> from shearing off?
>
> 5) I assume that large low pressure tires require innertubes.
>
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> Office 425.440.9505
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
> In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as
> possible from
> one party of the citizens to give to the other.
> -- Voltaire (1764)
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
On Tue, April 12, 2011 4:17 pm, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Jack, I was considering putting screws in the bead. I have seen that done on
> dirt bikes. I will do it to my Nanco tires. Wonder if I can do it with out
> dismounting the tire. I guess it would be easy to stop short of drilling all
> the way thru and run a sheet metal screw in. You didn't state what pressure
> you ran in the tires.
Pat,
I think that is a great idea. I'm kind of a perfectionist or worrier depending
on your
perspective but I would dismount the tire before drilling the wheel so you can
measure
and judge where the best place would be for the screws to penetrate the tire bead.
Then I would *NOT* drill a pilot hole into the tire. Here's my thinking. Drilling
will
remove material and possibly damage connective fibers whereas sinking a sheet metal
screw no more than 3/4ths of the depth of the tire bead will make it tighter on
the
screw and hopefully spread the fibers, not cut them.
Of course, this is my judgement and perception, not based on any actual experience.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
Office 425.440.9505
425.241.1618 Cell
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible
from
one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
Paul, I bet I can do it with the tire on the rim. I won't drill all the way
thru the rim. I'll stop short of hitting the tire and run a sheet metal
screw thru whats left of the aluminum rim. It would be nice to see how thick
the bead is to choose what length of screw to use. I would guess 1/2" # 10
sheet metal screw would do it. I just remembered I did this on a dirt bile
years ago. But, I had drilled and measured the bead before mounting the
tire.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT
<paul@eucleides.com>wrote:
> paul@eucleides.com>
>
> On Tue, April 12, 2011 4:17 pm, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> > Jack, I was considering putting screws in the bead. I have seen that done
> on
> > dirt bikes. I will do it to my Nanco tires. Wonder if I can do it with
> out
> > dismounting the tire. I guess it would be easy to stop short of drilling
> all
> > the way thru and run a sheet metal screw in. You didn't state what
> pressure
> > you ran in the tires.
>
> Pat,
>
> I think that is a great idea. I'm kind of a perfectionist or worrier
> depending on your
> perspective but I would dismount the tire before drilling the wheel so you
> can measure
> and judge where the best place would be for the screws to penetrate the
> tire bead.
> Then I would *NOT* drill a pilot hole into the tire. Here's my thinking.
> Drilling will
> remove material and possibly damage connective fibers whereas sinking a
> sheet metal
> screw no more than 3/4ths of the depth of the tire bead will make it
> tighter on the
> screw and hopefully spread the fibers, not cut them.
>
> Of course, this is my judgement and perception, not based on any actual
> experience.
>
> --
> Paul A. Franz
> Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
> Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
> Bellevue WA
> Office 425.440.9505
> 425.241.1618 Cell
>
> In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as
> possible from
> one party of the citizens to give to the other.
> -- Voltaire (1764)
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
On Tue, April 12, 2011 5:11 pm, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Paul, I bet I can do it with the tire on the rim. I won't drill all the way
> thru the rim. I'll stop short of hitting the tire and run a sheet metal
> screw thru whats left of the aluminum rim. It would be nice to see how thick
> the bead is to choose what length of screw to use. I would guess 1/2" # 10
> sheet metal screw would do it. I just remembered I did this on a dirt bile
> years ago. But, I had drilled and measured the bead before mounting the
> tire.
I'm a bit more patient in my old age having been beat up so many times by short
cut
decisions. I would want the best hole location and to know exactly how thick the
rim
is and the thickness of the bead at the point where the screw penetrates. Of course,
you may already know that information from working with the tires and wheels.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
Office 425.440.9505
425.241.1618 Cell
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible
from
one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
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| Subject: | Re: Tire pressure |
5 1/2 " likely a bit low if your guage accurate but it ands nice extra softness
to take out the bumps. You plane will feel quite a bit differnt on pavement
than on grass. Grass a lot more forgiving.
If you use tubes -even more worry of tearing off a valve stem. With no tubes the
tires might slip but you will un-likely be able to get the bead to break--
These Atv wheels hold them quite well.
btw - anyone got a set of wheels for sale with brakes?
--------
Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
http://www.cfisher.com/
http://www.kitfoxflyer.com/
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
HELLLLLLOOOOOOO? Did anyone see my initial post?
-
-
--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Paul Franz - Merlin GT <paul@eucleides.com> wrote:
From: Paul Franz - Merlin GT <paul@eucleides.com>
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: tire pressure
.com>
On Tue, April 12, 2011 5:11 pm, Patrick Reilly wrote:
> Paul, I bet I can do it with the tire on the rim. I won't drill all the w
ay
> thru the rim. I'll stop short of hitting the tire and run a sheet metal
> screw thru whats left of the aluminum rim. It would be nice to see how th
ick
> the bead is to choose what length of screw to use. I would guess 1/2" # 1
0
> sheet metal screw would do it. I just remembered I did this on a dirt bil
e
> years ago. But, I had drilled and measured the bead before mounting the
> tire.
I'm a bit more patient in my old age having been beat up so many times by s
hort cut
decisions. I would want the best hole location and to know exactly how thic
k the rim
is and the thickness of the bead at the point where the screw penetrates. O
f course,
you may already know that information from working with the tires and wheel
s.
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
Office 425.440.9505
425.241.1618 Cell
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possi
ble from
one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Decisions: Advice please |
On 4/12/2011 1:53 PM, Grant Bright wrote:
> Is the grayhead 582 and its gearbox the good one? I think I have read
> the blue head is later/better...but gray is what I am looking at.
The only thing I did to my gray head was to upgrade the crank. This I
did because I fully planned to run it well past TBO. I ran it to 460
hours and planned to run it to 600 hours before TBO based on the South
African experience. As far as I can tell there's no reason to upgrade
either the rotary valve seal or the cooling system.
>
> The one I am looking at has the Ducati ignition ... alternator size is
> not known, but it will run the vhf radio and wing tip strobes.
It will push 12 amps, not a lot more. I'd check out LED strobes.
>
> Since Ducati has been around a long time ... I am guessing these
> systems are reliable?
HA! Not on your life. The voltage regulators are, shall we say,
questionable, particularly forward of the firewall. They're also noisy
aft of the firewall. I replaced mine with a Key West and had no further
trouble. The ignition systems work reliably, but you have to be careful
with the wiring, both in and out, and make sure it's well supported
against fatigue.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure |
On Tue, April 12, 2011 10:09 pm, Dwayne McCourt wrote:
> HELLLLLLOOOOOOO? Did anyone see my initial post?
>
You've made 12 total posts.
<http://forums.matronics.com/search.php?search_author=Dwayne>
Which one are you referring to?
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
Office 425.440.9505
425.241.1618 Cell
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible
from
one party of the citizens to give to the other.
-- Voltaire (1764)
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