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1. 01:42 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (John W. Hart)
2. 01:43 AM - Re: Tire pressure (dave)
3. 03:47 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (bob noffs)
4. 05:08 AM - Re: Tire pressure (WurlyBird)
5. 05:20 AM - Re: Gascolator (Catz631@aol.com)
6. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (kirk hull)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Noel Loveys)
8. 08:15 AM - stiff elevator (egp8111)
9. 09:41 AM - Re: Gascolator (Tom Jones)
10. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (cdnch701)
11. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Tommy Walker)
12. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lynn Matteson)
13. 10:55 AM - Re: stiff elevator (Lynn Matteson)
14. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lynn Matteson)
15. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Guy Buchanan)
16. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lowell Fitt)
17. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lynn Matteson)
18. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (kirk hull)
19. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (bob noffs)
20. 04:27 PM - FBO assistance (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
21. 07:31 PM - Re: Gascolator (WurlyBird)
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Go to a FBO that does aircraft maintenance and ask them to make the flares
for you. It will probably cost a few bucks unless you know the mechanic who
owns the tools.
John Hart
KF IV
Wilburton, OK
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:17 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
<james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this
flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest tool
is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
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| Subject: | Re: Tire pressure |
James,
I have both Nanco and Kingfox tires on different Kitfoxes here. Both work the same.
>From my own expereince;
Soft sand - no problem
up to 12" snow- no problem
Mud -- massive floatation.I have been in mud/water where the entire tires is submerged
and got out.
Water no problem -- if you moving
You need to consider as well - heavy planes will make it tougher.
Kitfox IV with 912 should be under 650 empty and with 582 well under 600 lbs.
Prop- I like WARP with SS leading edge as they are more resistant to water ,sand
and stone damage.
Kitfox IV has better flap control if you can use the full 33 degrees travel to
rip your self out of sticky or soft ground easier. 1,2 and 3 models are limited
to about 15 degrees and are less effective.
Know your plane. Train -train and train. Plenty of practice on soft ground and
short places will make it better. Find a soft wet spot near a grass strip that
you can venture into......... make consisitant tank off and landings in and
out of a short area area.
Start at 500 feet and work down in 100 foot increments untill you can nail it everytime.
Soon, you will be at 100 foot and loving it.
Get some movies of this --great inspiration for other that never venture past the
pavement :)
Take care, Dave
--------
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http://www.cfisher.com/
http://www.kitfoxflyer.com/
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/
Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth
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i looked at it as just biting the bullet and then i would have it forever. i
have remade several pieces of tubing and used it x3 for what the plans
called for. and i never liked to borrow tools.
bob
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>wrote:
> james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this
> flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest tool
> is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs.
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336950#336950
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| Subject: | Re: Tire pressure |
I have ventured into peoples yards a couple of times but they both had at least
surveyed and mowed "strips". I will be looking to get into smaller unimproved
areas for camping and just for fun once the Fox is back up. This past deployment
I got a few good cameras so video will definitely follow. On e the dust
settles I also have a deployment video to show you all.
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James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
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James,
An old deceased buddy of mine showed me how to make a 37 degree flare
using a 45 degree automotive tool. He had restored many antique airplanes using
this method. He used to squeeze the end of the tube until it approximated
37 degrees and then matched it up to the fitting and used the nut to pull
it the rest of the way. It worked and the fittings never leaked BUT
obviously the right tool is the best way to go.
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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Have you tried your local EAA chapter. A lot of them have tool like that
for members to use.
_____
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Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
i looked at it as just biting the bullet and then i would have it forever. i
have remade several pieces of tubing and used it x3 for what the plans
called for. and i never liked to borrow tools.
bob
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, WurlyBird <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
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<james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this
flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest tool
is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
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While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if you bring
the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a
reasonable price... maybe even free.
Noel
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Sent: April 14, 2011 11:47 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
<james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this
flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest tool
is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
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I've just installed my elevator after replacing the bearing material and clevis
pins. It will fall through to the down stop but not very fast. Funny part I
can lube it and move it up and down and it looses up and feels normal but let
it sit a day or so and it gets stiff again. anyone else experienced this ?
EG
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Float Flyr wrote:
> While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if you bring
> the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a
> reasonable price... maybe even free.
>
> Noel
>
> --
Thats what I did. The mechanic showed me how to use the tool and let me do it
myself. No charge.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Hey James...
This tool can be purchased on Ebay cheap... I have one and works great!
This tool is nice to have on hand... here is the ebay link, probably made
in China!
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=+37+degree+flare+tool&_sacat=0&_sop=1&_dmp
t=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_odkw=VW+bus+type&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3
286.c0.m270.l1313
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Winnipeg, MB Canada
49-56-27N 097-06-44W Elev 729'
Plans Builder CH701 STOL
Porsche/VW Power, Redrive
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:--) now she lies in wait
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James,
Thanks for that link. gonna get me one too.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, cdnch701 <cdnch701@mts.net> wrote:
>
> Hey James...
>
> This tool can be purchased on Ebay cheap... I have one and works great!
> This tool is nice to have on hand... here is the ebay link, probably made
> in China!
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=+37+degree+flare+tool&_sacat=0&_sop=1&_dmp
> t=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_odkw=VW+bus+type&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3
> 286.c0.m270.l1313
>
> --
> R.D.(Ron) Leclerc
> Winnipeg, MB Canada
> 49-56-27N 097-06-44W Elev 729'
> Plans Builder CH701 STOL
> Porsche/VW Power, Redrive
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> :--) Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys
> :--) make this flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under
> :--) $100 the cheapest tool is not worth it to make the 4 flares my
> :--) aircraft needs.
> :--)
> :--) --------
> :--) James
> :--) Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> :--) 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> :--) now she lies in wait
> :--)
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Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45 flare on an
*experimental* aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental. I
realize that if you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37 flare on
it, you have to match it, but otherwise what is sacred about 37?
(other than selling us a special tool)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
do not archive
On Apr 15, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
>
> While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if
> you bring
> the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a
> reasonable price... maybe even free.
>
> Noel
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| Subject: | Re: stiff elevator |
Yes, and in my case it was the (factory) welding of the hinge
segments to the leading edge of the elevator, or the same to the
trailing edge of the horizontal stab. Take the elevator off the plane
and try to sight through the hinge segments from one end of the
elevator to the other...I'll bet you won't be able to on one part or
the other. The fix is to "adjust" the individual parts so that you
CAN sight from one end to the other, either by bending or by whatever
means available. Just like any hinge, all the segments or elements
must align, or the hinge will be stiff. How about sighting down the
hort. stab. hinge segments to see if it maybe the support rods are
out of adjustment. Again, you should be able to see the full 5/16"
hole....round, full-moon hole, no half-moon hole.....from one end to
the other without the bearing material in place. With the bearing
material in place the hole will be 3/16" and even harder to see all
the way through. This is just another one of those incidences where
the factory maybe turned out the parts a bit too fast without proper
jigging when welding....I'm talking about my 1994 Kitfox, not the
latest ones.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Apr 15, 2011, at 11:13 AM, egp8111 wrote:
>
> I've just installed my elevator after replacing the bearing
> material and clevis pins. It will fall through to the down stop
> but not very fast. Funny part I can lube it and move it up and
> down and it looses up and feels normal but let it sit a day or so
> and it gets stiff again. anyone else experienced this ?
>
> EG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337014#337014
>
>
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The flaring tool that I have been using the past week (at my flight
instructors place) is a simple clamp for the tubing, and an aligned
37 "hammer-to-form" point that forms the flare. Most of the ones I
see advertised are the "screw-to-form" type. His looks to be older
than the hills, but I just used it to make about 24 flares in his
C172 fuel system with no leaks. (installing long-range tanks, and
adding front and rear ports to those tanks)
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:56 PM, cdnch701 wrote:
>
> Hey James...
>
> This tool can be purchased on Ebay cheap... I have one and works
> great!
> This tool is nice to have on hand... here is the ebay link,
> probably made
> in China!
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=+37+degree+flare
> +tool&_sacat=0&_sop=1&_dmp
> t=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_odkw=VW+bus
> +type&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3
> 286.c0.m270.l1313
>
> --
> R.D.(Ron) Leclerc
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On 4/15/2011 10:35 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
> Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45 flare on an *experimental*
> aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental. I realize that if
> you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37 flare on it, you have to
> match it, but otherwise what is sacred about 37? (other than
> selling us a special tool)
Lynn,
What is sacred about 37 degrees is matching AN hardware, nothing
else. 45 degrees for plumbing hardware, 37 for AN. What happens if you
mix is mostly that they leak. What happens if you decide to honk on it
and form fit the flare depends on the tubing you're using. If T6 then
you'll probably just bust up the seats and threads. If T0, then you'll
probably modify the flare to fit. Nothing sacred about AN hardware
except that it's a good bit lighter than brass, ;-) is stronger than
plastic, and looks cool. (Most important.)
*_Guy Buchanan_*
Scoutmaster -- Troop 680
760.809.6145
scoutmaster@troop680.org <mailto:scoutmaster@troop680.org>
www.troop680.org
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Lynn tripped me up when I mentioned 45=B0 AN hardware in an earlier
post. What got me going on that was a bit of web research on the
correct angle as I had forgotten. The reason I mention it is that in my
searching, I found that there are 45=B0 AN flared fittings. Don't know
how common or where to get them but the article was about knowing what
you have. I simply took the 50/50 guess as to which flare angle is ours
and lost again. There is an Indian casino close by, now everyone should
know why I have never been there - enough drain on the bank account
already finishing up another Model IV.
Lowell
From: Guy Buchanan
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
On 4/15/2011 10:35 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45=B0 flare on an
*experimental* aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental. I
realize that if you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37=B0 flare on
it, you have to match it, but otherwise what is sacred about 37=B0?
(other than selling us a special tool)
Lynn,
What is sacred about 37 degrees is matching AN hardware, nothing
else. 45 degrees for plumbing hardware, 37 for AN. What happens if you
mix is mostly that they leak. What happens if you decide to honk on it
and form fit the flare depends on the tubing you're using. If T6 then
you'll probably just bust up the seats and threads. If T0, then you'll
probably modify the flare to fit. Nothing sacred about AN hardware
except that it's a good bit lighter than brass, ;-) is stronger than
plastic, and looks cool. (Most important.)
Guy Buchanan
Scoutmaster - Troop 680
760.809.6145
scoutmaster@troop680.org
www.troop680.org
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I'm gonna take a WAG here and that is that the 37 for aircraft is
because that is a less dramatic flare than a 45, therefore less apt
to split the harder grades of metals being flared. Anybody know the
history of the 37 versus 45? Somebody must have come up with a pretty
good reason to make a change, eh?
And, Guy, I would not suggest mixing the two in any one joint, but
I'd be rebel enough to use both angles of flares at different
locations on the same experimental airplane....clearly marked, of
course.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> Lynn tripped me up when I mentioned 45 AN hardware in an earlier
> post. What got me going on that was a bit of web research on the
> correct angle as I had forgotten. The reason I mention it is that
> in my searching, I found that there are 45 AN flared fittings.
> Don't know how common or where to get them but the article was
> about knowing what you have. I simply took the 50/50 guess as to
> which flare angle is ours and lost again. There is an Indian
> casino close by, now everyone should know why I have never been
> there - enough drain on the bank account already finishing up
> another Model IV.
>
> Lowell
>
> From: Guy Buchanan
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:57 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
>
> On 4/15/2011 10:35 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45 flare on an
>> *experimental* aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental.
>> I realize that if you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37
>> flare on it, you have to match it, but otherwise what is sacred
>> about 37? (other than selling us a special tool)
>
> Lynn,
> What is sacred about 37 degrees is matching AN hardware,
> nothing else. 45 degrees for plumbing hardware, 37 for AN. What
> happens if you mix is mostly that they leak. What happens if you
> decide to honk on it and form fit the flare depends on the tubing
> you're using. If T6 then you'll probably just bust up the seats and
> threads. If T0, then you'll probably modify the flare to fit.
> Nothing sacred about AN hardware except that it's a good bit
> lighter than brass, ;-) is stronger than plastic, and looks
> cool. (Most important.)
>
> Guy Buchanan
>
> Scoutmaster Troop 680
>
> 760.809.6145
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> www.troop680.org
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Thats easy 37 is aircraft specific so they can charge you more it.
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
I'm gonna take a WAG here and that is that the 37 for aircraft is
because that is a less dramatic flare than a 45, therefore less apt
to split the harder grades of metals being flared. Anybody know the
history of the 37 versus 45? Somebody must have come up with a pretty
good reason to make a change, eh?
And, Guy, I would not suggest mixing the two in any one joint, but
I'd be rebel enough to use both angles of flares at different
locations on the same experimental airplane....clearly marked, of
course.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
> Lynn tripped me up when I mentioned 45 AN hardware in an earlier
> post. What got me going on that was a bit of web research on the
> correct angle as I had forgotten. The reason I mention it is that
> in my searching, I found that there are 45 AN flared fittings.
> Don't know how common or where to get them but the article was
> about knowing what you have. I simply took the 50/50 guess as to
> which flare angle is ours and lost again. There is an Indian
> casino close by, now everyone should know why I have never been
> there - enough drain on the bank account already finishing up
> another Model IV.
>
> Lowell
>
> From: Guy Buchanan
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:57 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
>
> On 4/15/2011 10:35 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>> Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45 flare on an
>> *experimental* aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental.
>> I realize that if you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37
>> flare on it, you have to match it, but otherwise what is sacred
>> about 37? (other than selling us a special tool)
>
> Lynn,
> What is sacred about 37 degrees is matching AN hardware,
> nothing else. 45 degrees for plumbing hardware, 37 for AN. What
> happens if you mix is mostly that they leak. What happens if you
> decide to honk on it and form fit the flare depends on the tubing
> you're using. If T6 then you'll probably just bust up the seats and
> threads. If T0, then you'll probably modify the flare to fit.
> Nothing sacred about AN hardware except that it's a good bit
> lighter than brass, ;-) is stronger than plastic, and looks
> cool. (Most important.)
>
> Guy Buchanan
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at the field where i hangar the fbo charges $45/hr. he says that he can't
even often do that or he will not get repeat business and he is very
good.the shops around me charge $90 for snowmobile work and $100/hr for
outboards. i can't ever imagine, under any circumstances asking the fbo to
perform his profession for me without pay. this is what he does to keep the
lights on at home, i just do it for fun.
bob noffs
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if you
> bring
> the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a
> reasonable price... maybe even free.
>
> Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird
> Sent: April 14, 2011 11:47 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator
>
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this
> flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest
> tool
> is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs.
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336950#336950
>
>
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On Fri, April 15, 2011 3:23 pm, bob noffs wrote:
> at the field where i hangar the fbo charges $45/hr. he says that he can't
> even often do that or he will not get repeat business and he is very
> good.the shops around me charge $90 for snowmobile work and $100/hr for
> outboards. i can't ever imagine, under any circumstances asking the fbo to
> perform his profession for me without pay. this is what he does to keep the
> lights on at home, i just do it for fun.
> bob noffs
Good point Bob. Some small shops at local airports really offer good service at
reasonable prices. Boy do the prices go up at regional airports though. The shop
rate
posted at one big one on BFI is $175/hr. The shop is jammed full of multi-$million
aircraft waiting on service too. $125 to refill O2 tanks?
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if you
>> bring
>> the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a
>> reasonable price... maybe even free.
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Well for 40 bucks I can bite that bullet, I am getting a little tired of the $100
bullets. The tool is on it's way.
As for the 37 vs 45 thing, my guess is that it is fractional. I agree that it
was to have less deformation to the point of damage. I bet they were discussing
it and someone said, lets reduce the angle by a sixth. Arbitrary enough.
5/6 * 45 = 37.5
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
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