---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/15/11: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:42 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (John W. Hart) 2. 01:43 AM - Re: Tire pressure (dave) 3. 03:47 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (bob noffs) 4. 05:08 AM - Re: Tire pressure (WurlyBird) 5. 05:20 AM - Re: Gascolator (Catz631@aol.com) 6. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (kirk hull) 7. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Noel Loveys) 8. 08:15 AM - stiff elevator (egp8111) 9. 09:41 AM - Re: Gascolator (Tom Jones) 10. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (cdnch701) 11. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Tommy Walker) 12. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lynn Matteson) 13. 10:55 AM - Re: stiff elevator (Lynn Matteson) 14. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lynn Matteson) 15. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Guy Buchanan) 16. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lowell Fitt) 17. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (Lynn Matteson) 18. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (kirk hull) 19. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Gascolator (bob noffs) 20. 04:27 PM - FBO assistance (Paul Franz - Merlin GT) 21. 07:31 PM - Re: Gascolator (WurlyBird) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:13 AM PST US From: "John W. Hart" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator Go to a FBO that does aircraft maintenance and ask them to make the flares for you. It will probably cost a few bucks unless you know the mechanic who owns the tools. John Hart KF IV Wilburton, OK -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:17 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest tool is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs. -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, now she lies in wait Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336950#336950 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:37 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire pressure From: "dave" James, I have both Nanco and Kingfox tires on different Kitfoxes here. Both work the same. >From my own expereince; Soft sand - no problem up to 12" snow- no problem Mud -- massive floatation.I have been in mud/water where the entire tires is submerged and got out. Water no problem -- if you moving You need to consider as well - heavy planes will make it tougher. Kitfox IV with 912 should be under 650 empty and with 582 well under 600 lbs. Prop- I like WARP with SS leading edge as they are more resistant to water ,sand and stone damage. Kitfox IV has better flap control if you can use the full 33 degrees travel to rip your self out of sticky or soft ground easier. 1,2 and 3 models are limited to about 15 degrees and are less effective. Know your plane. Train -train and train. Plenty of practice on soft ground and short places will make it better. Find a soft wet spot near a grass strip that you can venture into......... make consisitant tank off and landings in and out of a short area area. Start at 500 feet and work down in 100 foot increments untill you can nail it everytime. Soon, you will be at 100 foot and loving it. Get some movies of this --great inspiration for other that never venture past the pavement :) Take care, Dave -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ http://www.kitfoxflyer.com/ http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336974#336974 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator From: bob noffs i looked at it as just biting the bullet and then i would have it forever. i have remade several pieces of tubing and used it x3 for what the plans called for. and i never liked to borrow tools. bob On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, WurlyBird wrote: > james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil> > > Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this > flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest tool > is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs. > > -------- > James > Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA > 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, > now she lies in wait > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336950#336950 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:10 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Tire pressure From: "WurlyBird" I have ventured into peoples yards a couple of times but they both had at least surveyed and mowed "strips". I will be looking to get into smaller unimproved areas for camping and just for fun once the Fox is back up. This past deployment I got a few good cameras so video will definitely follow. On e the dust settles I also have a deployment video to show you all. -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, now she lies in wait Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336989#336989 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:50 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Gascolator James, An old deceased buddy of mine showed me how to make a 37 degree flare using a 45 degree automotive tool. He had restored many antique airplanes using this method. He used to squeeze the end of the tube until it approximated 37 degrees and then matched it up to the fitting and used the nut to pull it the rest of the way. It worked and the fittings never leaked BUT obviously the right tool is the best way to go. Dick Maddux Fox 4 Milton,Fl ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:10 AM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator Have you tried your local EAA chapter. A lot of them have tool like that for members to use. _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob noffs Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator i looked at it as just biting the bullet and then i would have it forever. i have remade several pieces of tubing and used it x3 for what the plans called for. and i never liked to borrow tools. bob On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, WurlyBird wrote: Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest tool is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs. -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, now she lies in wait Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336950#336950 ist Un/Subscription, www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:50 AM PST US From: "Noel Loveys" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if you bring the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a reasonable price... maybe even free. Noel -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird Sent: April 14, 2011 11:47 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest tool is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs. -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, now she lies in wait Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336950#336950 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:50 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: stiff elevator From: "egp8111" I've just installed my elevator after replacing the bearing material and clevis pins. It will fall through to the down stop but not very fast. Funny part I can lube it and move it up and down and it looses up and feels normal but let it sit a day or so and it gets stiff again. anyone else experienced this ? EG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337014#337014 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:06 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator From: "Tom Jones" Float Flyr wrote: > While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if you bring > the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a > reasonable price... maybe even free. > > Noel > > -- Thats what I did. The mechanic showed me how to use the tool and let me do it myself. No charge. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337019#337019 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:08 AM PST US From: cdnch701 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator Hey James... This tool can be purchased on Ebay cheap... I have one and works great! This tool is nice to have on hand... here is the ebay link, probably made in China! http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=+37+degree+flare+tool&_sacat=0&_sop=1&_dmp t=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_odkw=VW+bus+type&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3 286.c0.m270.l1313 -- R.D.(Ron) Leclerc Winnipeg, MB Canada 49-56-27N 097-06-44W Elev 729' Plans Builder CH701 STOL Porsche/VW Power, Redrive www.ronleclerc.net cdnch701@mts.net, 15/04/2011 **************************************** This E-Mail scanned with AVG Anti-Virus Ver: 10.0! **************************************** :--) :--) :--) Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys :--) make this flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under :--) $100 the cheapest tool is not worth it to make the 4 flares my :--) aircraft needs. :--) :--) -------- :--) James :--) Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA :--) 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, :--) now she lies in wait :--) :--) :--) Read this topic online here: :--) :--) http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336950#336950 :--) :--) :--) = - The Kitfox-List Email Forum - :--) = - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - :--) your generous support! :--) --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator From: Tommy Walker James, Thanks for that link. gonna get me one too. Tommy Walker in Alabama On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, cdnch701 wrote: > > Hey James... > > This tool can be purchased on Ebay cheap... I have one and works great! > This tool is nice to have on hand... here is the ebay link, probably made > in China! > > http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=+37+degree+flare+tool&_sacat=0&_sop=1&_dmp > t=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_odkw=VW+bus+type&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3 > 286.c0.m270.l1313 > > -- > R.D.(Ron) Leclerc > Winnipeg, MB Canada > 49-56-27N 097-06-44W Elev 729' > Plans Builder CH701 STOL > Porsche/VW Power, Redrive > www.ronleclerc.net > cdnch701@mts.net, > 15/04/2011 > **************************************** > This E-Mail scanned with AVG Anti-Virus Ver: 10.0! > **************************************** > > > :--) > :--) > :--) Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys > :--) make this flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under > :--) $100 the cheapest tool is not worth it to make the 4 flares my > :--) aircraft needs. > :--) > :--) -------- > :--) James > :--) Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA > :--) 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, > :--) now she lies in wait > :--) > :--) > :--) Read this topic online here: > :--) > :--) http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336950#336950 > :--) > :--) > :--) = - The Kitfox-List Email Forum - > :--) = - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > :--) your generous support! > :--) --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:17 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45 flare on an *experimental* aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental. I realize that if you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37 flare on it, you have to match it, but otherwise what is sacred about 37? (other than selling us a special tool) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm) Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006) do not archive On Apr 15, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Noel Loveys wrote: > > While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if > you bring > the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a > reasonable price... maybe even free. > > Noel ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:45 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: stiff elevator Yes, and in my case it was the (factory) welding of the hinge segments to the leading edge of the elevator, or the same to the trailing edge of the horizontal stab. Take the elevator off the plane and try to sight through the hinge segments from one end of the elevator to the other...I'll bet you won't be able to on one part or the other. The fix is to "adjust" the individual parts so that you CAN sight from one end to the other, either by bending or by whatever means available. Just like any hinge, all the segments or elements must align, or the hinge will be stiff. How about sighting down the hort. stab. hinge segments to see if it maybe the support rods are out of adjustment. Again, you should be able to see the full 5/16" hole....round, full-moon hole, no half-moon hole.....from one end to the other without the bearing material in place. With the bearing material in place the hole will be 3/16" and even harder to see all the way through. This is just another one of those incidences where the factory maybe turned out the parts a bit too fast without proper jigging when welding....I'm talking about my 1994 Kitfox, not the latest ones. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm) Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006) On Apr 15, 2011, at 11:13 AM, egp8111 wrote: > > I've just installed my elevator after replacing the bearing > material and clevis pins. It will fall through to the down stop > but not very fast. Funny part I can lube it and move it up and > down and it looses up and feels normal but let it sit a day or so > and it gets stiff again. anyone else experienced this ? > > EG > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337014#337014 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:28 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator The flaring tool that I have been using the past week (at my flight instructors place) is a simple clamp for the tubing, and an aligned 37 "hammer-to-form" point that forms the flare. Most of the ones I see advertised are the "screw-to-form" type. His looks to be older than the hills, but I just used it to make about 24 flares in his C172 fuel system with no leaks. (installing long-range tanks, and adding front and rear ports to those tanks) Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm) Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006) On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:56 PM, cdnch701 wrote: > > Hey James... > > This tool can be purchased on Ebay cheap... I have one and works > great! > This tool is nice to have on hand... here is the ebay link, > probably made > in China! > > http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=+37+degree+flare > +tool&_sacat=0&_sop=1&_dmp > t=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_odkw=VW+bus > +type&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3 > 286.c0.m270.l1313 > > -- > R.D.(Ron) Leclerc ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:29 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator On 4/15/2011 10:35 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote: > Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45 flare on an *experimental* > aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental. I realize that if > you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37 flare on it, you have to > match it, but otherwise what is sacred about 37? (other than > selling us a special tool) Lynn, What is sacred about 37 degrees is matching AN hardware, nothing else. 45 degrees for plumbing hardware, 37 for AN. What happens if you mix is mostly that they leak. What happens if you decide to honk on it and form fit the flare depends on the tubing you're using. If T6 then you'll probably just bust up the seats and threads. If T0, then you'll probably modify the flare to fit. Nothing sacred about AN hardware except that it's a good bit lighter than brass, ;-) is stronger than plastic, and looks cool. (Most important.) *_Guy Buchanan_* Scoutmaster -- Troop 680 760.809.6145 scoutmaster@troop680.org www.troop680.org ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:46 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator Lynn tripped me up when I mentioned 45=B0 AN hardware in an earlier post. What got me going on that was a bit of web research on the correct angle as I had forgotten. The reason I mention it is that in my searching, I found that there are 45=B0 AN flared fittings. Don't know how common or where to get them but the article was about knowing what you have. I simply took the 50/50 guess as to which flare angle is ours and lost again. There is an Indian casino close by, now everyone should know why I have never been there - enough drain on the bank account already finishing up another Model IV. Lowell From: Guy Buchanan Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator On 4/15/2011 10:35 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote: Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45=B0 flare on an *experimental* aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental. I realize that if you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37=B0 flare on it, you have to match it, but otherwise what is sacred about 37=B0? (other than selling us a special tool) Lynn, What is sacred about 37 degrees is matching AN hardware, nothing else. 45 degrees for plumbing hardware, 37 for AN. What happens if you mix is mostly that they leak. What happens if you decide to honk on it and form fit the flare depends on the tubing you're using. If T6 then you'll probably just bust up the seats and threads. If T0, then you'll probably modify the flare to fit. Nothing sacred about AN hardware except that it's a good bit lighter than brass, ;-) is stronger than plastic, and looks cool. (Most important.) Guy Buchanan Scoutmaster - Troop 680 760.809.6145 scoutmaster@troop680.org www.troop680.org ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:21 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator I'm gonna take a WAG here and that is that the 37 for aircraft is because that is a less dramatic flare than a 45, therefore less apt to split the harder grades of metals being flared. Anybody know the history of the 37 versus 45? Somebody must have come up with a pretty good reason to make a change, eh? And, Guy, I would not suggest mixing the two in any one joint, but I'd be rebel enough to use both angles of flares at different locations on the same experimental airplane....clearly marked, of course. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm) Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006) On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > Lynn tripped me up when I mentioned 45 AN hardware in an earlier > post. What got me going on that was a bit of web research on the > correct angle as I had forgotten. The reason I mention it is that > in my searching, I found that there are 45 AN flared fittings. > Don't know how common or where to get them but the article was > about knowing what you have. I simply took the 50/50 guess as to > which flare angle is ours and lost again. There is an Indian > casino close by, now everyone should know why I have never been > there - enough drain on the bank account already finishing up > another Model IV. > > Lowell > > From: Guy Buchanan > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:57 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator > > On 4/15/2011 10:35 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote: >> Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45 flare on an >> *experimental* aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental. >> I realize that if you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37 >> flare on it, you have to match it, but otherwise what is sacred >> about 37? (other than selling us a special tool) > > Lynn, > What is sacred about 37 degrees is matching AN hardware, > nothing else. 45 degrees for plumbing hardware, 37 for AN. What > happens if you mix is mostly that they leak. What happens if you > decide to honk on it and form fit the flare depends on the tubing > you're using. If T6 then you'll probably just bust up the seats and > threads. If T0, then you'll probably modify the flare to fit. > Nothing sacred about AN hardware except that it's a good bit > lighter than brass, ;-) is stronger than plastic, and looks > cool. (Most important.) > > Guy Buchanan > > Scoutmaster Troop 680 > > 760.809.6145 > > scoutmaster@troop680.org > > > www.troop680.org > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// > www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c_- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:33 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator Thats easy 37 is aircraft specific so they can charge you more it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator I'm gonna take a WAG here and that is that the 37 for aircraft is because that is a less dramatic flare than a 45, therefore less apt to split the harder grades of metals being flared. Anybody know the history of the 37 versus 45? Somebody must have come up with a pretty good reason to make a change, eh? And, Guy, I would not suggest mixing the two in any one joint, but I'd be rebel enough to use both angles of flares at different locations on the same experimental airplane....clearly marked, of course. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip) Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm) Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006) On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > Lynn tripped me up when I mentioned 45 AN hardware in an earlier > post. What got me going on that was a bit of web research on the > correct angle as I had forgotten. The reason I mention it is that > in my searching, I found that there are 45 AN flared fittings. > Don't know how common or where to get them but the article was > about knowing what you have. I simply took the 50/50 guess as to > which flare angle is ours and lost again. There is an Indian > casino close by, now everyone should know why I have never been > there - enough drain on the bank account already finishing up > another Model IV. > > Lowell > > From: Guy Buchanan > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:57 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator > > On 4/15/2011 10:35 AM, Lynn Matteson wrote: >> Has some rebel out there tried to use a 45 flare on an >> *experimental* aircraft?.....hint: notice the word experimental. >> I realize that if you have an "real" aircraft part with a 37 >> flare on it, you have to match it, but otherwise what is sacred >> about 37? (other than selling us a special tool) > > Lynn, > What is sacred about 37 degrees is matching AN hardware, > nothing else. 45 degrees for plumbing hardware, 37 for AN. What > happens if you mix is mostly that they leak. What happens if you > decide to honk on it and form fit the flare depends on the tubing > you're using. If T6 then you'll probably just bust up the seats and > threads. If T0, then you'll probably modify the flare to fit. > Nothing sacred about AN hardware except that it's a good bit > lighter than brass, ;-) is stronger than plastic, and looks > cool. (Most important.) > > Guy Buchanan > > Scoutmaster Troop 680 > > 760.809.6145 > > scoutmaster@troop680.org > > > www.troop680.org > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http:// > www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// > forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c_- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator From: bob noffs at the field where i hangar the fbo charges $45/hr. he says that he can't even often do that or he will not get repeat business and he is very good.the shops around me charge $90 for snowmobile work and $100/hr for outboards. i can't ever imagine, under any circumstances asking the fbo to perform his profession for me without pay. this is what he does to keep the lights on at home, i just do it for fun. bob noffs On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Noel Loveys wrote: > > While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if you > bring > the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a > reasonable price... maybe even free. > > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WurlyBird > Sent: April 14, 2011 11:47 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator > > > > Now back to the 37* flare of aircraft tubing. How do you guys make this > flare without buying a $500 tool? Even at just under $100 the cheapest > tool > is not worth it to make the 4 flares my aircraft needs. > > -------- > James > Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA > 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, > now she lies in wait > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336950#336950 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:24 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: FBO assistance From: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" On Fri, April 15, 2011 3:23 pm, bob noffs wrote: > at the field where i hangar the fbo charges $45/hr. he says that he can't > even often do that or he will not get repeat business and he is very > good.the shops around me charge $90 for snowmobile work and $100/hr for > outboards. i can't ever imagine, under any circumstances asking the fbo to > perform his profession for me without pay. this is what he does to keep the > lights on at home, i just do it for fun. > bob noffs Good point Bob. Some small shops at local airports really offer good service at reasonable prices. Boy do the prices go up at regional airports though. The shop rate posted at one big one on BFI is $175/hr. The shop is jammed full of multi-$million aircraft waiting on service too. $125 to refill O2 tanks? > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Noel Loveys wrote: > >> >> While it may be next to impossible to borrow one of these tools if you >> bring >> the pieces to an FBO they will probably do the flares for you for a >> reasonable price... maybe even free. -- Paul A. Franz Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP Bellevue WA Office 425.440.9505 425.241.1618 Cell In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -- Voltaire (1764) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:33 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Gascolator From: "WurlyBird" Well for 40 bucks I can bite that bullet, I am getting a little tired of the $100 bullets. The tool is on it's way. As for the 37 vs 45 thing, my guess is that it is fractional. I agree that it was to have less deformation to the point of damage. I bet they were discussing it and someone said, lets reduce the angle by a sixth. Arbitrary enough. 5/6 * 45 = 37.5 -------- James Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments, now she lies in wait Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337093#337093 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.