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1. 04:06 AM - Re: 37 degree flares...was Gascolator (John W. Hart)
2. 09:11 AM - Re: Battery (Lowell Fitt)
3. 09:22 AM - Re: 37 degree flares...was Gascolator (Lynn Matteson)
4. 01:45 PM - Re: Battery (Patrick Reilly)
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| Subject: | 37 degree flares...was Gascolator |
I DON=94T have an insurance company for my airplane,
John Hart
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weiss
Richard
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 37 degree flares...was Gascolator
Ha! Although only advisory in nature, doing something different than
what
is there is absolutely allowed. But if there is a problem, as Ricky
Ricardo
used to say, it will require you do some s'plaining Lucy! (Usually,
that's
to your insurance company.)
Rick Weiss
N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS
SkyStar S/N 1
Port Orange, FL
On Apr 17, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Lynn Matteson wrote:
Good point, John...."advisory circular"....I sorta thought this was the
Bible of repair, and was treating the info therein as Gospel. I wonder
how
many A&P/IA's follow it without question?...just wondering...
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
do not archive
On Apr 17, 2011, at 7:33 PM, John W. Hart wrote:
<helili@chahtatushka.net>
Wellll, in the case of Experimental/Homebuilt aircraft, use anything you
want for a flare angle. FAR 43.1(b)(1) states:" (b) This part does not
apply to=97
(1) Any aircraft for which the FAA has issued an experimental
certificate,
unless the FAA has previously issued a different kind of airworthiness
certificate for that aircraft; or"
AC 43.13 is an "advisory circular", which is non-regulatory, therefore,
you
may do anything you wish, so long as it is not considered "unsafe" by
the
FAA.
John Hart
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn
Matteson
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: 37 degree flares...was Gascolator
Mike-
When did this 37.5 degree thing come on board? I visited all three
sites that you mentioned, and I couldn't find any reference to the .
5. I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass (well, maybe I am), but I
don't find a reference to it. I'm thinking that if AC 43. 13 doesn't
mention 37.5=B0, and I can't find reference to 37.5=B0 in any mention of
flaring tools, then maybe we ought not refer to that, huh? I mean, we
got guys banging their heads against the wall trying to decide
whether to use 45 or 37, and now we got them out looking for a 37.5
tool? : )
Regarding the cheap flaring tools, I once had a 45=B0 flaring tool that
didn't match up well where the two sides of the female clamping
device came together. This would cause a pinch on the tubing, and
leave a slight ridge behind the flare. It never hurt the sealing
surface, or the sealing of the joint, but it always stuck in my craw
that the imperfection was there. It looked like where the two sides
came together, they formed an oval hole, not completely round, and
tightening the clamp would pinch the tubing and deform it...a sure
sign of a cheap tool.
Just for the record, is everybody adhering to what AC 43. 13 says
regarding tube connections: "A double flare is used on soft aluminum
tubing 3/8-inch outside diameter and under, and a single flare on all
other tubing." Hmmmmm?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
On Apr 17, 2011, at 10:40 AM, mikeperkins wrote:
<michael.perkins@rauland.com>
Here are some inexpensive 37.5 degree flaring tools:
$55 - http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Standard-Flaring-Tool-37-Degree-
AN,2931.html
$40 - http://www.amazon.com/Ridgid-23332-Flaring-Tool/dp/B000X4K9KO/
ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_a
$16 - http://www.amazon.com/Great-Neck-Degree-Flaring-Tool/dp/
B004FEJF2Q
I have one similar to the $16 version and it's worked well over the
years. Deburr the tubing end, apply a little grease, then flare.
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Yes, The terminals. He specifically mentioned corrosion that cannot be
seen. I think we have all seen the gunk around the terminals on a car
battery. I guess the gunk on our aircraft batteries can be a bit more
subtle. Regarding the maintenance of the batteries. I am definitely
not an expert as my only experience is with the Odyssey on my incomplete
project, but the literature suggests that these batteries require a
somewhat different approach to maintenance.
Lowell
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Battery
Lowell, Good advice. You do mean the "terminals" on the battery and
cables, right?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Pat,
I talked to a friend who replaced an Odyssey battery on his Model IV
and gave the old one to his son. The son, cleaned up the contacts and
still has it starting his garden tractor after another three years. It
was my friends opinion, that the contacts can develop corrosion that is
not detectable by simply looking at them. First, and this would be the
advice from Larry, take some emery cloth or some other very fine
abrasive and clean the contacts both on the battery and the cables, then
see what happens.
Lowell
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 3:26 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: Battery
Kitfoxers, I have an Odessy PC625 battery on my 582. Flew for about
1/2 hour with radio and strobes only on. Battery was almost dead and had
to charge for 20 min. to start engine. I always have a float charger
hooked up to the battery in the hanger and it never fails to start. I
purchased the battery about 3 years ago. It sat for a year and a half. I
have put about 30 hours on the plane in the last year and a half. What
is the best way to determine if I need a new battery or my charging
system is weak. Also, is a float charger always hooked up a good idea?
It seems to help on the other batteries I use them on.
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| Subject: | Re: 37 degree flares...was Gascolator |
I visited my EAA chapter today, and looked at our Rigid #377 flaring
tool. I read the instruction sheet....if it comes with an instruction
sheet, it's probably a pretty good tool...and here's what it said:
"Turn feed screw handle CW until pressure kick-out releases. A few
additional turns before backing off will burnish flare." Pressure
kick-out? Man, this tool is a far cry from the normal tools I've
witnessed in some aircraft fixers toolboxes. It has needle bearings,
ball thrust bearings, a very fine thread for the feed screw, meaning
that it takes very little torque to make a flare. The forming
"anvil" (I'll call it) rotates in an orbital path, so it is only
touching one small portion of the tubing at any one time, preventing
galling...man, this thing is slick! And for about $101-$116, the
price isn't too bad, but a bit much for the average user. I would
get one in a heartbeat if I was just starting out.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop (64 x 30, P-tip)
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 35mm)
Status: flying...1096 hrs (since 3-27-2006)
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Lowell, Thanks for the info.
Pat Reilly
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Yes, The terminals. He specifically mentioned corrosion that cannot be
> seen. I think we have all seen the gunk around the terminals on a car
> battery. I guess the gunk on our aircraft batteries can be a bit more
> subtle. Regarding the maintenance of the batteries. I am definitely not an
> expert as my only experience is with the Odyssey on my incomplete project,
> but the literature suggests that these batteries require a somewhat
> different approach to maintenance.
>
> Lowell
>
> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:35 PM
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: Battery
>
> Lowell, Good advice. You do mean the "terminals" on the battery and cables,
> right?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Pat,
>>
>> I talked to a friend who replaced an Odyssey battery on his Model IV and
>> gave the old one to his son. The son, cleaned up the contacts and still has
>> it starting his garden tractor after another three years. It was my friends
>> opinion, that the contacts can develop corrosion that is not detectable by
>> simply looking at them. First, and this would be the advice from Larry,
>> take some emery cloth or some other very fine abrasive and clean the
>> contacts both on the battery and the cables, then see what happens.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2011 3:26 PM
>> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: Battery
>>
>> Kitfoxers, I have an Odessy PC625 battery on my 582. Flew for about 1/2
>> hour with radio and strobes only on. Battery was almost dead and had to
>> charge for 20 min. to start engine. I always have a float charger hooked up
>> to the battery in the hanger and it never fails to start. I purchased the
>> battery about 3 years ago. It sat for a year and a half. I have put about 30
>> hours on the plane in the last year and a half. What is the best way to
>> determine if I need a new battery or my charging system is weak. Also, is a
>> float charger always hooked up a good idea? It seems to help on the other
>> batteries I use them on.
>>
>> --
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford,IL
>>
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