Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:26 AM - Re: Fatal Crash (Pete Christensen)
2. 08:30 AM - Re: airframe grounding (WurlyBird)
3. 09:15 AM - Re: Fatal Crash (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: airframe grounding (Vic Baker)
5. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: airframe grounding (Guy Buchanan)
6. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: airframe grounding (Lowell Fitt)
7. 06:41 PM - windshield.... (aerobatics@aol.com)
8. 07:03 PM - Re: airframe grounding (WurlyBird)
9. 08:28 PM - Need parts (bushfox)
10. 10:01 PM - Re: windshield.... (Guy Buchanan)
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Dick was a friend from New Mexico when I had a hangar @ LRU
(Las Cruces). He had a Kitfox Speedster that he frequently
flew to EAA 555 breakfasts. He was a great pilot, an
aircraft mechanic, and friend. This shows that aviation can
take away the best of the best.
Pete
Kitfox III, 912
Leander, TX
On 5/1/2011 8:57 PM, Dwight Purdy wrote:
>
> I was able to find the name of pilot, 79-year-old Richard P. Woodsum .
> Another article said there was flames before the impact.
>
> Dwight Purdy
> model ll
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trey Moran" <nail13zg@centurytel.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 9:37 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fatal Crash
>
>
>> <nail13zg@centurytel.net>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have any information on the fatal Kitfox Speedster crash today
>> near Truth or Consequences, NM?
>>
>> Trey Moran
>> KF Mod 5
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: airframe grounding |
I am gonna drag up this old post since I am swapping out engines and have decided
to desire the whole plane in the process. My plane also has the motor mount
bolts operating as a ground and I would like to remedy this. So what is the
best method? I am thinking it would be good to get a bus that could be connected
to the battery and the engine block with wires and the bus or grounding block
could then be mounted behind the instrument panel. Should the airframe also
be connected to this? Where is a good place for airframe attachment if so?
Thanks for any input.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338640#338640
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Here's an article and a news video. Looks like an in-flight fire and there's nothing
left but some twisted ashes.
<http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/small-plane-crashes-near-elephant-butte>
Long list of other articles here:
<http://tinyurl.com/63f9cwd>
On Sun, May 1, 2011 6:57 pm, Dwight Purdy wrote:
>
> I was able to find the name of pilot, 79-year-old Richard P. Woodsum .
> Another article said there was flames before the impact.
>
> Dwight Purdy
> model ll
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trey Moran" <nail13zg@centurytel.net>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 9:37 PM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Fatal Crash
>
>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have any information on the fatal Kitfox Speedster crash today near
>> Truth or Consequences, NM?
>>
>> Trey Moran
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| Subject: | Re: airframe grounding |
James,
Good question. Unwanted ground loops will cause radio noise. Here's what I
did:
On the engine mount, the one that bolts to the firewall and airframe, there
is a tab intended for ground connection. I connected the engine case (#6
AWG), the battery neg terminal (#6 AWG) and the "ground" bus bar that is
located behind the panel (2 each #14 AWG) to this point.
All ground returns from the aircraft electrical equipment connect to the
"ground" bus bar.
The result is that there is no current flow in the airframe itself. My
radio is noise free.
One exception, the transponder and transceiver antennas do connect to the
airframe. (easier than making an isolated ground plane for each)
Hope this makes sense.
Vic
Vic Baker
S7 912S Warp
Carson City, Nv
----- Original Message -----
From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 8:27 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: airframe grounding
> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>
> I am gonna drag up this old post since I am swapping out engines and have
> decided to desire the whole plane in the process. My plane also has the
> motor mount bolts operating as a ground and I would like to remedy this.
> So what is the best method? I am thinking it would be good to get a bus
> that could be connected to the battery and the engine block with wires and
> the bus or grounding block could then be mounted behind the instrument
> panel. Should the airframe also be connected to this? Where is a good
> place for airframe attachment if so? Thanks for any input.
>
> --------
> James
> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
> now she lies in wait
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338640#338640
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: airframe grounding |
On 5/2/2011 8:27 AM, WurlyBird wrote:
> Should the airframe also be connected to this? Where is a good place for airframe
attachment if so? Thanks for any input.
>
I have this 3/8" brass bolt that goes through the firewall, location
irrelevant. On the engine side I have a braid strap that connects it to
the engine. On the passenger side it goes through a brass
"forest-of-tabs" ground bus I got from B&C specialty products. The
battery negative connects to the passenger side of the bolt. All powered
items are grounded at this bus. Nothing goes through the airframe. Audio
grounds are to a separate bus near the audio stack, which is then
grounded to the firewall bus. This helps isolate the communications
grounds from power.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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| Subject: | Re: airframe grounding |
This is an interesting question. I am working on a Model IV and a Series V
with 7 FWF. I understand the theory regarding no current flow through the
airframe, but the V has capacitance fuel level senders which recommend two
grounds. One to the negative buss and one to a "local ground". I did the
IV a bit different from Vic's method which is the factory design for the 7
by running the negative battery cable straight to the engine - no extra
connections and no loss possibility. Then a length of braid runs to an adel
clamp connecting to the ignition module grounds. The buss ground runs from
the battery to the negative buss bar. As of yet I have not decided how to
ground the fuselage.
Lowell
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From: "Vic Baker" <vr_baker@nvbell.net>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: airframe grounding
>
> James,
>
> Good question. Unwanted ground loops will cause radio noise. Here's what
> I did:
>
> On the engine mount, the one that bolts to the firewall and airframe,
> there is a tab intended for ground connection. I connected the engine
> case (#6 AWG), the battery neg terminal (#6 AWG) and the "ground" bus bar
> that is located behind the panel (2 each #14 AWG) to this point.
>
> All ground returns from the aircraft electrical equipment connect to the
> "ground" bus bar.
>
> The result is that there is no current flow in the airframe itself. My
> radio is noise free.
>
> One exception, the transponder and transceiver antennas do connect to the
> airframe. (easier than making an isolated ground plane for each)
>
> Hope this makes sense.
> Vic
>
>
> Vic Baker
> S7 912S Warp
> Carson City, Nv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WurlyBird" <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 8:27 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: airframe grounding
>
>
>> <james.t.trizzino@us.army.mil>
>>
>> I am gonna drag up this old post since I am swapping out engines and have
>> decided to desire the whole plane in the process. My plane also has the
>> motor mount bolts operating as a ground and I would like to remedy this.
>> So what is the best method? I am thinking it would be good to get a bus
>> that could be connected to the battery and the engine block with wires
>> and the bus or grounding block could then be mounted behind the
>> instrument panel. Should the airframe also be connected to this? Where
>> is a good place for airframe attachment if so? Thanks for any input.
>>
>> --------
>> James
>> Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
>> 50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
>> now she lies in wait
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338640#338640
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Im replacing the windshield one my kf2.. again. Cutting the lexan was nev
er easy... any suggestions?
Thx
Dave
Kf 2 582 about 500 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: gebuchanan@cox.net
Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: airframe grounding
On 5/2/2011 8:27 AM, WurlyBird wrote:
> Should the airframe also be connected to this? Where is a good place for
airframe attachment if so? Thanks for any input.
>
I have this 3/8" brass bolt that goes through the firewall, location
irrelevant. On the engine side I have a braid strap that connects it to
the engine. On the passenger side it goes through a brass
"forest-of-tabs" ground bus I got from B&C specialty products. The
battery negative connects to the passenger side of the bolt. All powered
items are grounded at this bus. Nothing goes through the airframe. Audio
grounds are to a separate bus near the audio stack, which is then
grounded to the firewall bus. This helps isolate the communications
grounds from power.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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| Subject: | Re: airframe grounding |
Well I talked to Jerry at GreenSky Adventures who is the one setting up my HKS
and he is going to add a dedicated tab to the engine mount to be used as a common
ground. So this point will connect to the battery (-), the engine ground and
will connect to a (-) bus behind the panel. I am happy with this idea.
Concerning HKS engines I highly recomend dealing with Jerry. He is great to work
with. And very patient which is good because I have been bugging him about this
engine idea for almost a year.
--------
James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338692#338692
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I need kitfox 3 right flapperon, kitfox 4 left flapperon, also I need 6x6.00 rims
and double puck brakes, and rotors. Need a kitfox exhaust system for 912 rotax.
My need to fly, is high. Call 989-728-3684 Thanks
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338707#338707
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| Subject: | Re: windshield.... |
On 5/2/2011 6:38 PM, aerobatics@aol.com wrote:
> Im replacing the windshield one my kf2.. again. Cutting the lexan was
> never easy... any suggestions?
Dremel with diamond wheel. The wheel's expensive, but boy does it make
cutting plastic easy. Just make sure you go slow enough that the wheel
doesn't get hot.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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